OK yes you have a good topic to discuss now in politics. It seems presumptuous of the Clinton campaign to talk about offering the Veep position to anyone at this point. The entire discussion could be extended to the issue of campaigns getting TOO DANGED LONG. So much time running up to primary season and then even more time before an election gives everyone ample opportunity to say dumb things, get tired and slip up or generally show (as we say in the south) their hineys. Certainly wild with so many self proclaimed experts in spin and marketing and polling and image consultants – the real person eventually shows up.

Problem is that Bill & Hill are campaigning Republican style:
The 3a.m. phone call commercial is blatant fear-mongering a la Rudy 911. If Democrats keep trying to act like Republicans on national security (& remember Hillary voted to go to Iraq while Obama was against it during his Senate campaign) they’r gonna lose again.
*(The Clintons can dance around Iraq but it doesn’t change the fact that Hillary enabled the invasion & that doesn’t speak well for judgment or experience! Iraq is going on costing us 4,000 dead troops and some 12 billion each month.)
The idea that superdelegates should decide the nomination rather than primary voters/caucus goers is like Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court handing W. Florida.
IT’S TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE ALREADY!

Barring a scandal between now and August, Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee. Any other result would tear the party asunder.
The voters of PA can put this to rest next month, or they can give Hillary a mandate to continue doing John McCain’s dirty work.

This Hillary 3a.m. phone call business isn’t gonna help in the general election. Those brainwashed enough to be fear-mongered are gonna vote Republican.
Democrats thought running a bona fide war hero in the form of John Kerry would work in 04. It didn’t. We’re still in the Iraq quagmire.
Obama was principled and risked his Senate bid opposing the Iraq invasion when the public was eating out of Bush’s hand. Hillary caved and enabled the Bushies.
If Democrats present a clear foreign policy contrast (i.e., opposing the biggest foreign policy blunder of the last century from the start) they’ll win. And they’ll win big.

As a recent SLATE magazine article made clear, most Democratic primary campaigns in the past few decades haven’t actually ended until sometime in June (ended in the sense that someone had sewn up the nomination) – yes, it is premature for Hillary to be talking about a shared ticket (with her at the top) but not nearly as premature as those who are suggesting she step down.
I don’t recall hearing Obama come out and criticize those who are calling for Hillary to concede even though they are practically tied at this point.

I want to like Hilary – I really really do. But every single time I find something to respect – there is an act, an event, something to cancel out the good that she has done. The grim faced supporters that include many of my generation (I’m old) simply do not understand why she cannot be elected. Creating a false enemy out of Obama will do for starters. Subtle racism would be next. the whole “Obama is a Muslim” thing will eventually be found on her doorstep and that – is beyond sad. For most Obama supporters the question would not be about voting for Hilary if she is the nominee, but about voting at all.
Like Bush, she seems surrounded by loyalists rather than people who will tell her the truth and be truthful. Like Bush, she seems incapable of self critical thought. Like Bush, she wants the job so much, she will do anything to get it. I have wanted to like Hilary for years because I think she got a bum deal from the media, from the crazies on the right and left , but there is nothing about her I can like very much. Every single day confirms my instincts and that is very sad. I want a woman president, I want someone very smart and in touch, I want someone who will not continue the polarized craziness of the last 16 years. Think about it – square the nasty energy that has been present over 16 years – it might approach what another Clinton presidency would represent. She would be a magnificent head of the Senate, but I cannot see anything but a self centered disaster if she is the nominee. To want something so bad you are willing to do anything – as apparently she is willing to do – is not a good thing. Felt the same instincts about Romney. Both of them can’t believe they might not get what they believe is their due. McCain and Obama – would be a race out of the gutter – maybe. At least we can hope after the mud wrestling of the last 16 years. Been looking at St. Teresa of Avila – one smart and powerful woman. Think I might have to do a bit of comparing on that one.

I can understand your perspective, Thinker. But from my own, Hillary is a smart, tough, but flawed adult who I believe will work her tail off for this country if she is elected. I’m not under the illusion that she is perfect.
In fact, I think she has very strong negatives. But, it disturbs me that the same people who are able to look clearly at Hillary’s flaws (many, many of my women friends don’t trust her) are treating Obama as if he were the Savior. To me, Obama has no where to go but down. He is bound to disappoint people when they discover that he is also a human being. Also I think it is very unhealthy for our country for people to be looking for someone to “save” them when they should be looking for someone who will not promise the moon.

Hillary is making a cynical attempt to ride Obama’s coattails by implyig she will offer voters a two-for-one deal. She would have enough trouble sharing power with Bill…imagine what happens when a third player enters the game. Oh, the triagulation!
I also want to like her, but have stopped trying. The final nail in the coffin was when Bill went on the Rush Limbaugh program (Rush wasn’t there that day) and urged the Dittoheads to follow his marching orders to vote for Hillary in Texas and elsewhere! How pathetic is that?
The Clintons are ruthlessly amibtious, feel entitled to power, and will mire us in the same nasty, soul-corrdoing slah and burn politics that have crippled and poisoned the body politic for decades.

Thinker, Obama, his wife and Bamahead doll followers, speak about the guy in messiah-like terms. His “vision” for America resembles that of King Bera of Sodom. What “hope” is there for a country where “anything goes” means anything except original Christian beliefs? I gave this guy a chance, and then I did my research. Not only has he accomplished nothing other than be elected a senator from the most politically corrupt state in America (well, maybe behind Massachusetts and california), his theology is purely racist, his views purely sales pitch, and, he wants Humanism as the rule uber alles. If he can be so dense on Pauline theology, he has no chance of being able to understand the complexity of the American populace. His view of rule is just that. Rule. In Cook County Illinois, the Democrats raise taxes by sheer force of power. Surrounding cities are now engaged in breaking away from Cook County and forming their own county. Democrat’s in California outlawed home schooling. This following parent’s rights abolished. Democrats in Philadelphia outlawed th Boy Scouts. Massachusetts Democrats outlawed parents and legalized pederasty down to kindergarten level. Everywhere Democrats gain power pederast’s and ephebophiliac’s alter laws (and the age of consent gets lowered). Taxes go up as do the crime rates. Obama is a typical Democrat. He is a slick talker and nothing more. He is no more special a politician than Chicago’s typical corrupt politicians. What we are seeing with this guy is the great apostasy mentioned in the New Testament and we are going to be subjugated into a marxist-socialist state if the horror of his “leadership” gets a hold of power. Proven of course by what Democrats are doing in so many states now. Maybe the Clinton’s are just trying to save America from a bigger monster than they are.

When I first read this story today, I wondered if this wasn’t her last desperate act before realizing that she’s lost.

First agree with you. Second, I know that this isn’t full of thought, but all I have going through my head is the little rhyme for spelling Mississippi.
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No, donny, you like monsters it seems and will create them wherever. The Obama’s are not monsters, nor are they the saviors of the country. He is a thoroughly decent man who truly has made efforts to bring people together he might be placed. he is ambitious to be sure, but no presidential candidate is ever without ambition that would overwhelm us all. None of them are monsters, none of them is anything except human beings with flaws. I think. Get over the needing a monsters to energize you thing!

Reality is reality. Christ Jesus preached constantly on it, the Apostles wrote to fellow-Christians about it pleading with them to reject men like Obama and his leftist gangs. There are monsters real and effective. Look to the licensing and promoting of abominations on all where the monsters dwell. Obama desires the family and marriage altered and redefined. The unborn are inconvenient lives to be weighed, measured and discarded. Good people exist as fuel for the lazy and corrupt to stay lazy and corrupt. Exhibit A, B, C, D. You can’t put your head into Humanist sand deep enough to ignore reality. The flesh will not allow it. God will not be mocked by Democrat campaign frenzy. Noah’s “liberal” neighbors and Lot’s “progressive” neighbors, thought and acted as Obama and his followers do now. You can’t take the reality of monsters out of history. The Bible is accurate history.

Alicia,
Kudos to you for seeking a President who is a skilled politician with integrity– not a Savior! The latter will come again, but probably not from Washington, D.C. We disagree on the relative merits of Hillary and Obama; that’s fine.
Don’t hate on the people who have placed an unrealistic, and perhaps unhealthy, amount of hope in Barack Obama. Most of them are quite young, and will learn that politicians, like the rest of us, are flawed human beings. That said, there is always the hope that Obama will be a politician in the mold of Kennedy or Reagan– someone who can inspire a generation to believe in their ability to change the world. Politicians are rarely saints, but a good number of them are not scoundrels like our current president (and his predecessor).
Peace.

Believe me, aquaman, I don’t hate my friends who support Obama (or McCain, for that matter). I’m the exception in my group in supporting Clinton. I suspect Obama will win the nomination, and hope my friends are right to place so much faith in him.

It seems that whenever Hillary is discussed, it’s all emotional rhetoric, gossip and gushy “likes” and “dislikes”. I have finally figured out that the only importance my “likes” have are to people who are trying to get something from me and use my “likesa” to manipulate, ie: advertising appeals not to the intellect but to our desires. I am not swayed by what someone else “likes” but want to know the bassis for that “like” or dislike. I have yet to read or hear anything specific that Hillary has done or said to justify all the carrying on about her being unlikeable. In other words, I want the facts! Otherwise all we have is the kind of whispering campaign we all witnessed in high school.
This rumor mongering has been going on for a long time, and a good example occurred the other night on one of the talk shows. A republican “strategist” made a racially disgusting statement about Obama and tried to make it sound like it came from Hillary. Now she may get called on it and even fired the next day, but Hillary’s enemies have succeeded in getting a nasty statement out there which no doubt will eventually be attributed to Hillary. The carreer of a cute young strategist is a small price to pay for that!
We are not voitng for prom queen or king. We need to look at what these people have to hone thier leadership skills, what is their knowledge of how the world works, what kinds of decisions have they made and for what reasons. Ignore the rumors and the speculationa about what is going on in their heads. Ignore what someone “likes” unless they can offer factual reasons and it’s not just thier gut talking. Most people overrate their own instincts, but rely on instinct because it’s easier than really investigating and thinking about something.

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and without apology Christian… We celebrate a White religious experience and traditionthat is deep, lasting and permanent. We are a White people, and remain “true to European descent,” as Europe is the cradle of a civilized society. God has led us on our our path to settle land by European means. The days of segregation, and the long night of racism we fought to erase is still an on-going process for civilization. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as an individual goup. We constantly affirm our trust in God through European cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.
Our White Pastor as well as the membership of our Christian Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point success in life:
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO WHITE EUROPEAN HISTORY.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF WHITE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC FAIRNESS.

Now, with all due respect to Geraldine Ferraro, the Beliefnet staff will yank down my last post as being racist. But all I did was to change of few words around from Barack Hussein Obama’s Church statment about themselves and what they believe in: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
Truth is a thing of the past. Welcome to the new world order where wrong is right, and honesty and morality is a hate crime.

David Kuo,
It’s nice to return to your blog. I’ve been away from christian blogs for the last year or so. One thing that turns me off are posts like Donny’s on this thread. I can’t imagine what value posts like these have to a blog like this. Clearly, this person is not here for human-to-human dialogue. Observing a higher standard for posting would make your blog much more meaningful to me. Anyway, I’ll be returning more often these days.
best,
Quetzal

Earth to Donny! As a seminary graduate and ordained minister, I implore you to stop talking Pauline theology and Apostle “talk” (as important as they are) and concentrate on the red-letters in your Bible. Jesus’ words take priority over everything else, and they have a decidedly different message from yours — especially the picture of the final judgment in Matthew 25. When your posts (especially the “white church” pronouncement) give me a sore stomach and when they turn others away from this site, it would seem wise for you to open your mind to the fact that other Christians can disagree with you and not be considered apostate.
You are in very dangerous territory when you malign and judge fellow professing Christians like Obama (and others) because they don’t fall in line with your very narrow, exclusivist biblical interpretations.
By the way, my cousin in California is home-schooling her children.

Marlene, don’t you realize I “paraphrased” Barack Obama’s Church? Substitute White for Black. I even softened it a bit from their’s. Your religious training is lacking if you think the letters of the Apostles, Jude and Paul are second class to the Gospels. Jesus did not write one word in the Gospel. His disciples did. The Gospels as Luke’s shows, were written “AS” letters to prove original worship compared to liberal theology infecting the Church body. You’re Tony Campolo is showing. If you want to stick with the “red letters” than you make Obama look like an idiot. He trumpets and supports homosexuality and gives the “Sermon on the mount,” as some kind of encouragement and substance for same-gender sex acts? Jesus was quoted as teaching that “marriage” was a man and a woman. Leftists attempt to force the Gospels to inflict their Humanist doctrines into the Church. Jesus was also quoted as saying that that would happen. That ravenous wolves would “come into and from” the flock and not spare anyone. You have to ignore the Letters, because they oppose every single thing that “progressives and liberals” want to do to Christians. My email is donnyresponse@yahoo.com if you want to try to get your education’s worth out on me. The “Red Letters” stand in stark opposition to almost everything liberal and progressive 40-2008. Your cousin in California is NOW breaking the law, thanks to liberals. I wish you the best in your vocation. That means rejecting liberal and progressive theology and holding fast to the faith delivered only once to the saints. That’s in the black letters. The ones the Apostles and many other brethren gave their lives for.

The sense of self importance gained by some posters as they are rightfully castigated, rightfully questioned and certainly rejected can be denied by – ignoring them. Just see those couple of names and skip the reading. Don’t let yourself get sucked into the den of such nonsense. While one of those posters is a loving person, a prayerful person, his posts are a dangerous opportunity for the sort of scandal that always destroys. One can find a heretic around every corner is one is determined to do so and at least one of the writers is determined to do just that. How does it feel to always need to have a monster under every bed, every pew, every altar. Well, it must feel a bit like a gargoyle looks. So, next time you are visiting a cathedral – look at the gargoyles. If they could climb down and write goofy emails about a narrow and limited way of seeing Christ – we’d recognize them right away.
Flannery O’Connor used to write characters like that – gargoylesque ins their silly and bigoted anger. Her characters were always redeemed along with those whom they were sure should be in hell. Come, to think of it – Flannery would be writing a few of us – just for gargoyle ideas. Next time you have the strange feeling that you are the only righteous one – just glance in the mirror – is you face stone like and flattened, your fingers swollen and closed? That would be the beginning of gargoyle disease – or dis-ease. Picture such tormented characters typing at little lap tops in the tops rungs of a cathedral. Click, Click – heretic – click click only people like us are of God – click click – Western European religion is all that counts – click click – the gargoyle becomes stuck forever in the recesses of the cathedral, never to behold Jesus, but to scare others away. Click click go the little gargoyle computers – scaring so many away from a Jesus who will love them. Think I’ll put a lovely gargoyle picture on the front of my desktop. Might make me a little more humble – could use a lot more humility, but I’ll start slow.

Thinker, you should read the New Testament completely some day. Monsters are not ignored on any page. In fact many are listed. New boss, same as the old boss. D.

He is not a healthy person, the “one-who-hates-liberals-and-progressives”. It is no use to argue with him. He has built a fence around his mind and heart, to protect himself from all the monsters, the ones who hurt him before. He reminds me of the little man who was the Wizard of Oz — lots of noise, smoke and bluster, but still just a vulnerable little person. He knows he hurts others, that’s the point of all his noise and bluster. He’s going to get them before they get him.He doesn’t need to care about hurting others because he’s wrapped it all up in a theology that gives him permission to do this.
Well adjusted, healthy people, like most who commment here,will learn from each others’ contributions, as I have learned much from yours, Thinker. But that will never happen with the “one-who-hates-liberals-and-progressives” since every idea that differs from his would put a dent in his carefully crafted but unstable house of cards. I wish I knew how to help this person, but I don’t. What I do know is that it is a mistake to take anything he hurls at us personally. It has nothing to do with anyone else. It’s all about the monsters in his head.

Thinker — you’re right about the gargoyles. I’m much too busy to engage in prolonged theological discussions with people (though nice) who cannot open their minds to let a little fresh air in. I really enjoy this site and admire the diversity of ideas that David presents so compellingly — so, I’ll take the advice rendered and skip the posts from folks who cannot resist the urge to demonize those with whom they disagree. One last response, however — Dr. Anthony Campolo is one of the finest and most dedicated Christians I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. His life and works radiate and communicate the love of Christ in our hurting and broken world.

I don’t skip over those posts because they make for fascinating reading. But Thinker is right (as always) in that it’s really pointless to engage the writers of those kinds of comments.
Hope to see more of Marlene here, too.

Marlene, you are absolutely right about Campolo. Fr. Richard Rohr is another who always inspires me. There are so many out there – Christians who teach me.

“He is not a healthy person, the “one-who-hates-liberals-and-progressives”.
One in four teen girls has an STD. It is not because they are living a “conservative and traditional morals” life and lifestyle. It is not healthy to have an STD.

“and as an individual goup.” Donny
Doh!

A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO WHITE EUROPEAN HISTORY
“Let’s all stand for the benediction. Today we’ll be singing Edelweiss to the tune of Whitey Uber Alles.”

canucklehead, racism and race “pride” are ugly things huh? Mrs Obama comes to mind when hearing her Pastor rail on and reading her Church’s agenda. All I did was replaced a few words in their racial declarations.