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Christ-follower v. Christian

posted by David Kuo | 1:00pm Wednesday April 9, 2008

I’m kind of thinking Jesus would dress a whole lot more like the guy on the right than the one of the left. You?



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Thinker

posted April 9, 2008 at 1:27 pm


OK, I love this commercial – but – I think Jesus would be calling them both out of the place from which they can hear -
My kids are definitely Mac people – so am I. But we need those PC kinds of people or else boundaries become so blurry they are non existent, it’s like the left brain and right brain – I’m about the most lefthanded rightbrained person in town, but without my extraordinary righthanded and left brained family and friends to keep me thinking- I would just look goofy. I might add that I come from a family – 7 people all left handed – all right brained – chaos ruled but boy are we “deep”. Married somebody just like me and two of my three kids are of the same ilk. My poor oldest child – has had to organize our world since birth. She turned into a first grade teacher – just finished a master’s degree and told me that living in our house was the best training she could have had. She’s also a writer and writes hysterical stuff about being the only PC person in a MAC family. This commercial (both the real and Christian version) resonates at many levels.



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Doug

posted April 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm


Thinker, you are such a broad-minded humanitarian. I expect no less from a Christ-following Mac user.



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independent

posted April 9, 2008 at 2:14 pm


Yeah, let’s hear it for those Christ-following Mac users!



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Pauli

posted April 9, 2008 at 9:27 pm


Jesus dressed very well. Otherwise the Roman’s would not have cast lots for his robe. His Blessed Mother made this robe for Him, according to tradition.



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Thinker

posted April 9, 2008 at 11:45 pm


Hey those Romans cast lots for his robe because that’s what they did. Cast lots for the clothes of the naked executed people. Remember Dickens – Scrooge dreams that he dies l- and what happens – they begin casting lots for his clothes. Seems an old tradition. Also, seriously doubt he had a wardrobe – most people had a single cloak and and undergarment (tunic) – poor people would pawn the cloak and Jewish law required that it be returned by sunset – in that it was a multitask kinda garment – cloak, raincoat, bed and pillow – whatever you might need. Never had Jesus on the well dressed list of NT figures.



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Brian Horan

posted April 9, 2008 at 11:52 pm


I think we ought to look for Christ in both. Drawing distinctions based on personal form can easily turn to prejudice.
Saturday casual Christ-follower could have just as big an ego about speaking in tongues or eating organic.
Give the uptight James Dobson wannabe guy on the left a break already!



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canucklehead

posted April 10, 2008 at 12:09 am


I’ve gone back to dressing like John the Baptist on Sundays.



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Thinker

posted April 10, 2008 at 7:19 am


And how are locusts and honey?



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Anonymous

posted April 10, 2008 at 9:15 am


Oh so what Jesus looks at the heart! Again, Jesus looks at the heart — not the outward appearance. But when Jesus comes really into your life, you want to do the best you have for him. If you are fortunate to have the best clothes, wear them for Jesus. If you are not that fortunate (for the moment) wear the best you have.
The real question and test is this:
Have you really confess Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. That is with your mouth and in your heart. Nothing fake, nothing phony, and no stuff to be seen by the people.
SERVE the LORD with all your heart, soul, mind and body. And guess what, everyone will see the real JESUS in you. (we all can be two-faced at times, but the real Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever — we must be like the real Jesus.
King of Kings, Lord of Lord, the GREAT I AM and the soon return King and Judge of all the earth, nations and kingdoms.
I’m out and PRAISE the TRUE AND LIVING GOD.
If you don’t know him, put up the bible, and read the book of Romans, Chapter 10, Verses 9 and 10. It will be good to you … so read on.



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Dino

posted April 10, 2008 at 10:18 am


“I’m kind of thinking Jesus would dress a whole lot more like the guy on the right than the one of the left.”
Really, so it’s all about being cool? I take it the guy on the left is supposed to come off as a pharisee because he dresses up and has the offering envelop. Clearly a comparison to PC/Mac and clear that everyone assumes the cool, laid back dude is better. And great labeling either way. Or you’re a Christian? Well I’m a Christ-follower. Whay isn’t that as obnoxious a label as the envelop?
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with dressing up. It shows reverence. For some showing that reverence is a part of worship.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with dressing down. I work with kids and sometimes it’s a little easier for them to relate if you’re dressed down a bit.
But why the potshots? It’s nonsense. I can see why it would appeal to the smug who relate to the coolness factor and like to shake their heads at others.



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Steve Boese

posted April 10, 2008 at 12:12 pm


Hopefully the creators of this can develop it further…
Maybe the more casually dressed guy is headed to church on Saturday not just to worship, but to work. Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, housing the homeless, caring for the sick, comforting the lonely.
Maybe the casual guy has chosen to live simply, even sacrificially, while focusing on the work of being a Christ-follower, and there isn’t a suit hanging in his closet.
I could continue, but you get the idea…



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Franky

posted April 10, 2008 at 1:55 pm


Jesus loves us for what we are inside, and what we are inside will show on the outside no matter what we wear.



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LJ

posted April 10, 2008 at 3:10 pm


Both types of dress are ok. It is the intent of the heart that God judges.Sinners and saints can dress either way.In America a christian can be anyone who says they are without repentance. A sad state of mind.



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LJ

posted April 10, 2008 at 3:12 pm


Jesus would love both of them and judge their hearts.



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Brian Horan

posted April 10, 2008 at 3:25 pm


I agree that we need to see Christ in everyone. I grew up Evangelical and have seen one head trip after another related to dress, politics, sabbath preferences etc.
I was in Campus Crusade for Christ and saw rightward bent ministries pick each other apart. It was a complete waste of time.
As a progressive now, I have to find Christ in my Evangelical Republican family (some of these folks voted for Bush 2x despite the fact that they knew Iraq was BS).
Now I go to the Church of Religious Science and subscribe to Eckhart Tolle and ‘A Course in Miracles’.
Labels, judgements, us vs. them, etc. haven’t gotten most of the Christian community too far in the last 2,000 years. Once Protestants arose after the Reformation they went after each other (just think Salem witch trials).
I suggest ‘Science of Mind’ by Ernest Holmes, and ‘A Course in Miracles’ if you want a positive pro-active spirituality that isn’t about splitting hairs.



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Big Sandy

posted April 10, 2008 at 3:54 pm


I grew up in a fairly fundamentalist Freewill Baptist Church that considers the modern SBC “Liberal” and frowns on women wearing pants to church….and out of reaction to that I became very “Christ Follower” in my appearance on Sundays at the churches I attended during and after college…until….
I was working on a political campaign in Southeastern Kentucky, in a community where Barack Obama was derided as “That N-” by the majority of the members of his own party. In the midst of this, I attended the services of an African American Missionary Baptist Church in a poverty stricken coal camp. There were about 10 white people in the church, including me, and the rest of the congregation was black. There were also about 10 people not wearing a suit and tie, or the best dress they owned…and we were all the same people. That the congregants of that church still put their best foot forward, despite their lack of income, despite the racism that was still a reality, that they still worshiped with as much passion as I had ever seen….I was kind of convicted about my casualness in worship….so I dress it up a little more now.



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James

posted April 10, 2008 at 9:20 pm


ditto to Big Sandy:
I shouldn’t let my clothes stop me from going to church. If I’ve come straight from physical labor without an opportunity to change, or if I’m so awfully poor that I can’t afford anything not old and wrinkled, I can be certain that Christ will see my heart and not my clothes.
But there’s nothing holy in intentionally dressing down for church. There’s nothing blessed in deliberately giving God less respect than you’d give your boss.
I’ve consistently seen that if somebody has only one nice piece of clothing to wear, they’ll save it for church; they’ll show God their very best. But if folks have clothes out the wazoo, they’ll quite deliberately dress down for God.
(of course the ‘PC’ in this video is totally wrong-headed. But he’s a straw man)



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Donny

posted April 11, 2008 at 8:32 am


There is right, there is wrong. There is truth there is lie. I reject now, the lies. I grew up in a completely “progressive” society in and out of the Church, where “liberals” rule everything from the school system to what religious institutions have to believe by “law.” Now children have STD’s, abortions, babies at tweleve and no fathers living with the mothers of multiple-fathered children they abort or do bear. Insanity, perversion and immorality are now civil rights and integrity and Biblical truth is a hate crime. History and facts mean absolutely nothing and have been replaced with a Sodom-like lifestyle where “progressive” means “do as thou wilt” instead of choosing Christ. The followers of Christ were first “called” Christians in a place called Antioch. They were persecuted and hated and killed by those that were “not” Christians and “followers” of the Lord Jesus Christ and sold-out by false followers. Today anyone and anything seems to feel free to call themselves or “it” as “Christian” or as “following” Jesus. Humanism, what we now call “progressive” or “liberal,” has replaced “Christian” truth even within some Christian places. But of course many false teachers were to come. Here’s Jesus proclaiming what we now label as a “conservative belief” and He was clear that many people “calling” themselves “followers” would not be one. The Sermon on the Mount . . . continues on to this: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
The Wise and Foolish Builders
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.



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jules

posted April 11, 2008 at 9:41 am


I like this ad becasue it challenges me. It makes me think about why the body of Christ is so divided. We let things like dress, cultural styles, trends, politics, worship styles, etc. distract us from being the body of Christ, winning souls for Him, caring for the least of these. I don’t know if Jesus would have dressed like the jeans guy, but I know He would love both men unconditionally, based on their hearts, as other posters have indicated. I also know that He died for my sins regardless of whether I have on my jeans or Prada. Praise the Lord for that!



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neo

posted April 11, 2008 at 10:31 am


This was a pretty good parody of the mac vs pc commericials. And I feel that Jesus would dress more like the guy on the right than the guy on the left. I really don’t think Jesus cared about outward appearances.
Unfortunatly I think we all get caught up in you have to do it this way. Our way is the best and we forget that its whats in our hearts that matters.



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Charles Cosimano

posted April 11, 2008 at 2:38 pm


Jesus wore a seamless garment, which was not cheap in those days, in fact it was a sign of wealth. He would have dressed like the man on the left.



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jestrfyl

posted April 11, 2008 at 2:39 pm


This is not a parody – it is a ripoff. My biggest gripe is that “christianity” seems to have a problem with being original. Sure it is cute – and you are supposed to identify with the guy on the right. But why can’t they do something no one else has done. Why must they steal someone else’s inspiration and creativity? This is but one more example of why so many people are finding “christianity” silly and barely useful.



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Reaganite in NYC

posted April 11, 2008 at 9:29 pm


This is a dumb ad, for all the reasons stated so well by others already.
The answer to the question is a no-brainer: Jesus would have embraced both of these guys. Not chosen to be like one over the other. God is “both/and” not “either/or”.



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Boone

posted April 11, 2008 at 10:11 pm


I am going to send this to m youth board. Thanks David!



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aquaman

posted April 12, 2008 at 9:11 am


James, you are not dressing up (or down) for God– you are doing it for the others in the congregation. If you believe otherwise, you’re tricking yourself.
Dress up for church if that’s what suits you. Dress down if you prefer. But don’t elevate one and denigrate the other.



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aquaman

posted April 12, 2008 at 9:15 am


Oh, and I dress down for church. Partly it’s my preference, but mostly it’s because I have two young children, and when they inevitably smear food on my shirt during coffee hour, it’s nice to clean up the mess without involving my dry cleaner.
Peace.



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Joseph Grigoletti

posted April 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm


I know its very popular these days for people of my age group (I’m 20) to bash organized religion and be all hip with spirituality (with out evening defining what that is). However, the foundation of Christianity is doctrine and theology and not action. Our actions as Christianity comes from our theology and doctrinal convictions. It is impossible to say Jesus Christ with out deep meaning theological convictions. To say “I follow Jesus Christ” is to say: “I believe Jesus of Nazarath was the Christ, the messiah” and that “his interpretations of scripture were right and those of the Jews at the time and now were wrong”. It implies a type of heremeuntic for the old Testament, it implies that there two testaments. It is to say that Jews are wrong. To follow a man who was hated by the majority at the time is a risk. At the time you would have been considered brainwashed by a charismatic cult leader. There are other great implications to even the most basic sayings. Take: “Jesus is Lord”. That goes contrary to the Roman oath “Caesar is Lord”. You are, in the eyes of that society, saying your Jesus is superior to the Roman ruller and thus separating you from the rest of the known world. It is also afirming the deity of Christ. To the jews you sound polytheistic and to the Romans you sound insane! The Jewish Bible foribs calling other Lord except God. And you are sharing the same greek word (Karios) for LORD with a title used for the man you claim to be the messiah.
To conclude, It is impossible to have Christianity with out well defined precise theological statements which are then called doctrine. Yet to be a Christian, one must just not profess to agree with these doctrines, they must penetrate your uttermost being and be the menas by which God changes your heart. This will in turn cause one to follow Christ and do good deeds.



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Joseph Grigoletti

posted April 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm


Another comment, I don’t like how some look down on more confessionally minded Christians and make steryotypes us that have no basis in reality. Most people don’t even know how the term fundamentalist first came about in religious usage. There are some of us who believe that God ordains how He wants to be Worshiped with some room for cultural liberty (i.e. look at the entire book of levitus, the end of exodus, and the pastoral epistles) and that man kind has no right to change what God has ordained. Now I understand that not all Christians believe that, thats why there are different denominations (well one reason), but I must confess my feelings are hurt when I am called legalistic for wearing a suit to church by those who profess a more generous orthodoxy and are emerging when I don’t see them working to stop prostitution here in Québec, volunteer at homeless shelters and living like there is no difference between the Church and the World (tv shows, books, vocabulary, clothes, ect…). Sorry,just had to vent that.



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shannon

posted May 6, 2008 at 4:47 pm


funny video , and yep the guy on the right for sure !



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