She quotes Brown University biologist Kenneth Miller's statement that ID is
nothing more than an attempt to repackage good old-fashioned Creationism and make it more palatable.
Replies Phillips:
But this is totally untrue. Miller referred to a landmark US court case in 2005, Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District, which did indeed uphold the argument that Intelligent Design was a form of Creationism in its ruling that teaching Intelligent Design violated the constitutional ban against teaching religion in public schools. But the court was simply wrong, doubtless because it had heard muddled testimony from the likes of Prof Miller.
Whatever the ramifications of the specific school textbooks under scrutiny in the Kitzmiller/Dover case, the fact is that Intelligent Design not only does not come out of Creationism but stands against it. This is because Creationism comes out of religion while Intelligent Design comes out of science.
She concludes:
Creationism and Intelligent Design are two completely different ways of looking at the world; and you don't have to subscribe to either to realise the untruth that is being propagated -- and the wrong that is being done to people's reputations -- by the pretence that they are connected.
Melanie Phillips, who is very smart, doesn't with her testimony alone prove anything at all about whether ID theorists are right. But her example does suggest that there's room for fair-mindedness on the issue.
Meanwhile in the U.S., many of us still have not received this particular memo. Maybe we are more intimidated by the social disgrace that goes along with being accused of being a "creationist" than we are interested in getting at the truth of what other people actually believe, whether we might agree with them or not.
Thus a somewhat well known American journalist responding to this blog queries me in an email edged with contempt, "Do you really believe that the earth (and the universe) is roughly 6,000 years old?"
I answered, "Now [name excised], this is very interesting. Why would you think that I think this about the age of the universe? I'm trying to get to the bottom of a mystery here."
Of course, he never replied.
Isn't this just the way it always goes? When a bunch of commenters demanded my midrashic source for same-sex marriage in ancient Canaan, strongly implying that I must be making it up, and then in a subsequent post I gave the precise source and its context, what was their response? Silence.
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Only Hitler himself can execute his own program according to the dictate of his own heart and by his long studies of the matter whatever is the project or program,i believe Hitler or any of us took careful steps and procedures based on the gathering of facts and experiments or anything,we never come to a conclusion without undergoing all the process of obtaining a generalized truth or ideas, like Hitler,we all have a developing programs,we all have our own standards to meet before execution of a planned program,and let the project be tested,undergo all sorts of test to satisfy and meet Hitler's goal before the execution of the said program.For as long as the program is safe,and can benefit Hitler,let Hitler be himself,besides,if we fail to meet our own standards,then satisfaction is not guaranteed and plans or any program eventually will never again be executed or planned.At the end of the day,Hitler himself will decide,Pass or fail,that doesn't really matter anymore,
what matters most is if Hitler have done what he believes,that is why
Hitler is Hitler,he became great by living what he believed.
Mr. Klinghoffer, you and Melanie Phillips are trying to distance ID from creationism, but it doesn't work. You define "creationism" as belief in the Biblical account, that God created everything within the past 10,000 years or so, while to you "intelligent design" is the idea that God (or some unnamed intelligence that can only be God) created everything over some unspecified time, in unspecified ways.
However, to a scientist, those differences are insignificant - they're both creationism.
A.N. Wilson is a very conservative Christian theologian.Melanie Phillips is bigoted conspiracy theorist crank I put on same level as Nesta Webster.I saw her on 700 Club ranting about Moslem immigrants were overwhelming Europe and planning to turn Europe in to an Eurostan,an European Moslem Empire.So to me putting any credence to this modern day Nesta Webster is ridiculous.
Even if we would assume that this "designer" does exist, he would most like be malevolent judging by his creations and the way he treats them or at least the way he allows them to be treated.
The millions of years idea is the stupidest thing that i have ever heard, true science does not support it,what about the T-rex they found in montana with red blood cells it clear that the earth is young.In the beginning God created the sky and the earth.Genesis 1:1.
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