Lynn v. Sekulow

Saddleback: Biased Questions and A Big Mistake

Sunday August 17, 2008

Let's get to the big mistake first: Barack Obama should not have agreed to do this.  If I were the Senator I'd be looking for a time machine this morning and go back to the day I agreed to show up, change my mind and write this note: "Dear Rick: Thanks for the invitation to appear the same night as my friend John McCain at your church.  I get alot of invitations, though, and will be appearing elsewhere that evening."

This crowd was swarming toward McCain to begin with, and Rick Warren has quite conservative views on plenty of hot button issues.  But Warren is still a man best known for his homey advice about putting God first (not a very controversial notion for a Christian), so many viewers probably thought he would play "fair and balanced."  Well, Jay, he did not.  He was clearly well-schooled on how to set up questions with well-tested right-wing talking points, so that Obama would have had to spend a great deal of time just correcting the questioner.  (You and I understand that technique well, both as talk show guests and hosts of our own shows.)

Let me give you a few examples on core constitutional and human rights questions. Here was Warren's set up to his stem cell questions: "We've had this scientific breakthrough of creating these pluri-potent stem cells in adult cells..." as if everybody knows we don't need all those embryonic stem cells which create all the problems for "pro-lifers." That crowd would rather grow all these "frozen" embryos into "snowflake babies" (which will never happen) and refuse to admit that these embryos will eventually be discarded as medical waste. But Warren's setup is the problem: there was no great breakthrough that means that all research can be done with adult cells.  That is the line of the Religious Right; it is not the scientific consensus.  To the lay listener, however, it sounded like God's own truth, not Pastor Warren's spin.  Senator Obama more or less fell into the presumption, too.

Another example comes from the discussion of the "faith-based initiative."  The setup included Warren's claims that "eighty percent of Americans believe that faith-based organizations do a better job at community services than the government" and the related: "The Civil Rights Act of l964 says that faith-based organizations have the right to hire people that think like they do."  We are entitled to our opinions in this country, but the fact that 80% of us believe something doesn't make it true.  Social scientists who study all this do not generally conclude that faith-based groups as a whole do better than "secular" or government groups at helping those in need.  On the hiring issue, what has kept President Bush's faith-based initiative from passing Congress has been precisely that many Senators do not think the landmark Civil Rights Act even addressed the issue of taxpayer-funded church positions or activities.

Obama did stick to his guns in claiming that the government wouldn't fund religious discrimination, but Warren's follow up on hurricane assistance was clearly designed to force the Senator to hedge on whether you could allow a relief agency under some circumstances to refuse to hire people from the "wrong church," even to pick up debris and house people.  (Sadly, I heard reports of this happening post-Katrina, but only rarely.)

One last example of Warren's set-up technique was his phrasing of the question on "human trafficking," which he claimed was a $32 billion slavery enterprise (figuring out the take of criminals is always tough, but $32 billion is often what is thrown around by the Religious Right).  He continued that "27 million people are living in slavery right now, many of them in sex traffic."  Every civilized person is against human trafficking, but it is mainly not about sex.  Indeed the Justice Department has prosecuted very few cases about sexual slavery over the past 7 years because the situation is just not commonplace.  The often brutal economic trafficking is a real issue, but it is very complex to tackle without having the United States enlist international enforcement efforts -- which the Right always objects to as somehow giving over American sovereignty to the UN or some other hated entity.  But, again, Obama slipped into the sex discussion first and then had little time to get at the broader economic issues.

When we started this opening salvo in the "blogalogue," I also suggested that we knew enough already about each candidate's personal faith. (I'm convinced that each is deep and abiding.)  Warren, of course, brought it up again and then listened to McCain tell his story again of how a North Vietnamese guard made a cross in the dirt when he visited McCain's POW cell one Christmas.  Warren looked like he was hearing a first-hand account of the Resurrection; but, in fact, this story is told every time that McCain appears before a religious audience.  It's virtually a part of the McCain "religious stump speech."

So, all in all, the evening served up biased questions on the social issues and little value for Obama with the still mainly very conservative "evangelical" crowd.  But thanks to Rick Warren for assuring us that we Americans "have the freedom to protest this meeting."  I did and I'm glad.

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Comments
ncm
August 21, 2008 10:08 AM

I don't think Obama had much choice. Can you picture the headlines if McCain had agreed and Obama had refused?

Obama is a man of faith and firm in his beliefs so though he knew he was going into the lion's den (sic) he did so with the necessary assurance. I think he did a splendid job, myself, considering the loaded questions and rather hostile environment. His answers were thoughtful and respectful and much more impressive than McCain's sound bites.

John Lofton, Recovering Republican
August 22, 2008 8:28 PM

When Lynn croaks, Satan will say to him: “Well done thy good — strike that — thy bad, indeed my evil, and faithful servant.” No, seriously --I believe this. Lynn has never grown weary in his evil-doing.

John Lofton, Editor

TheAmericanView.com

JLof@aol.com

Peter
August 23, 2008 11:15 AM

"When Lynn croaks, Satan will say to him: “Well done thy good — strike that — thy bad, indeed my evil, and faithful servant.” No, seriously --I believe this. Lynn has never grown weary in his evil-doing."

Believing in the actual existence of Satan is no different than believing in Loki, the Norse god of mischief and fire. You’re a pagan and you don’t even know it, John.

concerned
February 7, 2009 1:04 PM

Jay,

I don't understand. I don't pretend to know a thing about Rev. Barry Lynn, except that he is or was a Minister???? How can a Minister, who has studied the word of God, be in the dark? It is not for us to judge anyone, but we as Christians are not the ones who judge. It is the word of God, that clearly states ( he should know this) that a man is not to lay with another man. This is an abomination to God.

Yes, God loves us all. None of us are perfect. Including myself, but that does not mean God isn't perfect. He is. He is holy and God does not make any mistakes. How then, can the Reverend, even argue about the Gay issue and stand against so many Christians, like Rick Warren and yourself whom are fighting in the name of Jesus, for Jesus? If he is truly a man of GOD, he too should be standing with you, along your side.

You know, people can call themselves Christians and add a REV. in front of their name, but the word of God clearly says, that his sheep know his voice, and will follow him. Who is Rev. Barry Lynn listening to? Who is he following? Not Christ. Not if he argues or even tries to somehow twist the word of God. Being offended by Rick Warren for using the name of Jesus in his prayer? Hmmmm. Let me see. What would I say or do, in his case? Oh yeah, I remember now I PRAISED GOD! What a privilege. What a blessing. Don't we all pray to Jesus? Who does he pray to? What is he going to tell Jesus when he gets to heaven. " Lord, you are welcome in my church", but Government? Please Lord, come on Jesus... Who do you think you are???

Is he a Christian or not? That is what I want to know. I don't care about his educational background or his credentials.

I want to know if he is filled with the Holy Spirit. If he believes in Jesus return, if he preaches the word of God, and if so? Why is he on the opposite side and fighting for the wrong cause?

Maybe you should ask him that.

Keep up the good work and may God continue to bless you and use you. You truly are a man of God. Who stands for his beliefs. For Jesus, your Lord and Savior and aren't ashamed of him. You stand up for him in public, you confess to know him. Unfortunately, many proclaim to know Jesus but don't walk the talk. It's all they know how to do. TALK, TALK, TALK. what a pity. They started out right, and they too got caught up in the things of this world; and in their own wisdom became foolish.

N. Lindzee Lindholm
June 20, 2009 2:34 AM
http://www.randomevangelist.net

Even IF Pastor Warren "set up" the questions as you say, weren't both candidates set up with the same set of questions equally? So why is there an issue of whether or not the questions were creatively fashioned if they were delivered this way to both sides? As a Harvard law grad., Pres. Barack knew or should have known the stakes going into the debate: that his audience was in fact predominantly evangelical Christians, in the physical church building at any rate, and that he would be questioned by an evangelical pastor (which really makes no difference anyways because most of the questions were secular). Each candidate should have prepared for the debate in advance, and if not, then it's their own fault for getting stumped. No one needs to make excuses for an ivy league graduate, that's for sure.

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Lynn v. Sekulow is an ongoing debate blog--a blogalogue--about how big (or little) a role faith and religion should play in American politics and government, featuring the two leading voices of the church/state battle: American Center for Law & Justice Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow and Americans United for Separation of Church and State Executive Director Rev. Barry W. Lynn.

Please note that in discussing political issues, candidates’ positions and political party statements, the Rev. Barry Lynn and Jay Sekulow are offering analysis in their individual capacities as lawyers and commentators. They are not speaking on behalf of Americans United for Separation for Church and State or for the American Center for Law & Justice. Those organizations do not endorse or oppose candidates for public office. Nothing contained in this dialogue should be construed as the positions of the respective organizations.

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Executive Director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a nonprofit educational organization that defends religious liberty by opposing government interference in religion
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Chief Counsel for the American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ), a law firm and educational organization focused on protecting religious freedom, American families, and human life.
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