HHS Secretary Leavitt's explanation of his actions is, quite
frankly, mindboggling."Freedom of
expression and action should not be surrendered upon the issuance of a health
care degree," he notes.The real issue
has nothing to do with gaining a credential; it has everything to do with
holding yourself out as a licensed health care provider to the public.It is the public, as in the individual
patient, whose needs come first.
Moreover,
certainly with regard to public employment, the Supreme Court has even upheld
the right for the government to bar "speech" with which it disagrees.I'm sure you remember, and probably
applauded, a 1991 decision in he case of Rust
v. Sullivan. In it, the Supreme Court upheld HHS regulations that barred
recipients of federal funds from even discussing the option of terminating a
pregnancy or referring women to doctors who would perform abortions. The law
already barred the use of federal funds to perform them directly. Would you
have defended a doctor's right to say "my faith impels me to tell you about an
option which I believe is morally acceptable: abortion"? Somehow, I doubt it.
Finally,
Leavitt's comments about how people can go to someone who does not "assert a
conflict of conscience" reminds me of another analogy.Novelist Anatole France once noted sarcastically: "The
law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep
under bridges, beg in the streets, and to steal bread."In today's climate of "pro-life" tactics of
intimidation and sometimes violence, no one's rights even to obtain birth
control should be considered safe.
People can
comment on these proposed regulations for a few more weeks.I'd suggest they do so if they want to
protect not just the right to choose, but sound medical practice as well.
Jesse,
You said: Are you an atheist? You know if I didn't know any better, I'd say that your atheism is your religion, and it goads you to believe a lie when you see with and not through the eye. (Probably William Blake)
Boris says: Atheists don’t need strength in numbers to confirm what they don’t believe. Atheists don’t get together once a week and throw their hands in the air and scream and shout and sing about what they believe or don’t believe. Atheists don’t try to explain naturalistic occurrences with supernatural mysticism and magic. That’s what YOU religious people do! ROFL!
You said: Why else would the termination of an innocent unique human life be murder in all cases except this one?
Boris says: Because you are distorting the language by incorrectly calling a potential human life an innocent unique human life in order to promote your religion's false doctrines. What is your response to my proof that you routinely distort the language to promote the lies of Christianity?
You said: You keep saying that but science proves you wrong. A fetus is both human and is in the state of being. It's a human being! Are my facts or my conclusion wrong on this one?
Boris says: Science and the law disagree with you and most importantly the majority of people in the world disagree with you.
You said: Does a 1year old have a right to be in any home of its parents? Can they too just vacuum it up when they decide they don't want it?
Boris says: A 1 year old is not a potential human being. You distort the language and then believe your own crap.
You said: And just what do you base your assertion on - your assertion that the fetus does not have a right to be in a place where it can live? God whispered it to you? or are you talking about law? what law? (or are you talking about one of the judges who agree with you?)
Boris says: The fetus does NOT have rights that contradict the rights of the mother. That is what the law and the judges say. Too bad for you and your desire to control women and turn them into second class breeding pigs.
You said: Anytime before birth, right? and why in tarzan not after birth?
Boris says: Birth is the difference between a human and a potential one.
You said: Any right that contradicts the right of another is not right..? So lets say you have the right to drive your car down your driveway. If one of the kids from next door gets lost and wanders to your driveway and sits down and won't move, do you still have the right to intentionally drive over him, knowing full well that it will kill him?
Does not the right to life preempt comparatively trivial rights? I'm certain that one would be charged with intentional brutal manslaughter even though they were well within their rights (besides the fact that they know that their action of driving down their driveway would cause the death of an innocent person.)
Boris says: No one has the “right” to drive anywhere in this country. Wow, you really are frighteningly ignorant of the laws in this country. Driving a car is a privilege, which is earned by passing a test and obeying the traffic laws, NOT a right. No one has the “right” to drive down any driveway, even their own.
You said: Why do you go on such about other people? Why not show me the error in MY facts or conclusion? (You many times said it was wrong but have not shown how or why.)
Boris says: I proved you wrong, proved how and why you distort the language. Do you stomp your foot when you say it ain’t so? Everyone on this blog can see how and why you are wrong sir. Everyone.
You said: I didn't try to redefine anything. I'm just going on the facts, and those facts are that a human fetus is a unique innocent live human being, and that under any other circumstances the killing of an innocent human being is illegal as being murder. I'm not making any of this up!
Boris says: You either made ALL of that up or heard it from one of your cult leaders. Science and the courts disagree with you. If they didn’t we wouldn’t even be having this conversation now would we?
You said: Why is it you keep talking about OTHER people? Why not talk about my argument? I don't see what anyone else's past actions have to do with my argument. Either my facts are right or wrong. Either my conclusion is right or wrong. If you're saying that I came to the wrong conclusion then explain not that it is, but why it is wrong!
Boris says: I’m not talking about other people when I show how YOU distort the language to make points that aren’t valid.
You said: Yeah yeah always busted you say. You know that word won't have any meaning by the time I actually do get busted :-)
But I don't want to drop it. I want to know why killing an innocent live human being is murder in all other circumstances. I don't know what the secrets of anyone's religion have to do with this - I think it's a matter of science and law.
Boris says: If you thought it was a matter of science and law then why can’t you accept the fact that science and law disagree with you?
You said: Ha ha that's funny. You just pasted a big chunk of text probably from: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
without actually reading through to see if the text you pasted contained any references to the Bible actually claiming a flat earth! I would still like a reference to the Bible clearly stating that the earth is flat as you say.
You said: Now wait a second. We're talking about what the Bible says - how come you/they are talking about alledged "flat earthers"?! You told me that the Bible says that the earth is flat!
As to the earth being fixed, what is your problem? I fixed a GPS antenna on my car roof. It has a strong magnet. It stays in the same place even at 70mph. Right in the center of my roof, where I put it. It's on a foundation that holds it exactly where it needs to be.
I don't see the problem you're having with the Bible describing the earth being on a foundation where it is fixed. It is! It's on a orbital foundation - even though it is moving through space at around 67K miles per hour, it's on a predetermined path and is held right where it needs to be - just the right distance from the Sun. What is your problem with the the scripture passages you quote? You claim they are absurd, and you quote them, then you proceed to strawmanify about other people that don't have anything to do with the Bible.
Boris says: I can tell you get all your science from other creationist instead of real scientists. No planet travels in a perfectly circular orbit. Each planet’s orbit has a different shape from all the other planets’, and no planet even maintains a constant distance from the sun. Moreover the sun is moving and is not at the center of any planet’s orbit and no planet repeats the same orbit twice. So the Bible could not be more wrong and neither could you. ROFL!
You said: I'm skipping the rest of this topic in this message because it's no more useful then the first part you provided.
Like my grandpa could have but probably didn't say, if a man can't make his own point, he probably doesn't have one!
(I noticed that you just copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from other anti-Christian websites without having the decency to give them credit.)
Considered me warned - now even though you're trying hard to siderail this off of the topic of abortion, you did claim that the Bible states that the earth is flat but as far as I can tell you have not provided any evidence of that - so please do! I'm sure you well may have the info but just accidentally neglected to post it. As I said, my goal is to learn and speak the truth. If the Bible says that the earth is flat, I want to know.
Boris says: Why did the Church leaders tell Columbus he would fall off the edge of the flat earth? Why does the Association for Biblical Astronomy use the Bible to prove the Earth is flat and never moves?
You said: Correction: It is 100% human and 100% in the state of being. (existence.)
Boris says: Correction: This is a lie as I’ve already proved. Do you think if you keep chanting your lies that will make them come true some day?
You said: Boris, you don't know that for sure. Not that facts get in your way. But if they could see the fists and the nose on the ultrasound, it may be old enough to live in air. And in any case, it may be possible to move it from one woman's womb to another's, so it may be true to say that "it cannot live apart from your sister-in-law." And besides, a 4 year old can't live apart from somebody providing for and protecting it either - does that mean it's not murder to kill it?
Boris says: If abortion were really murder then people would go to jail for doing or having them. But they DON’T do they? So your whole case is shot down in flames isn’t it? The majority rules and you aren’t part of the majority, but rather in a minority populated by religious fanatics.
You said: If I'm driving out my driveway and I'm late on my way to the movies, and there's a 5 year old in my driveway and won't move, does it's right to live supersede my right to drive out my driveway or not?
Boris says: Again driving is NOT a right. You’re just repeating yourself now because you have nothing important or even true to say.
You said: Wow, you only know three women who had abortions? or were there others that you know too? If some you knew did regret it, would you tell us that too?
Boris says: I’m an atheist so, unlike Christians, I always tell the truth.
You said: Boris, are you in the thinking or the believing category? Now keep in mind that you can still be in the believing category but believe not in God or the Bible but in other things like Evolution and Humanism or any number of other things.
Boris says: Truth doesn’t demand belief. Your religion does though which proves that it isn’t true. I’m a thinker and you’re a believer in what others tell you to believe.
Boris
September 14, 2008 2:53 PM
You said: If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a believer (but not in the Bible). I mean, you keep reasserting that abortion is not murder, and you keep saying that a fetus is not a human being even though it is unquestionably human and in the state of being, and you've said that to kill without physical force is not murder even though murder can be committed with poison and in spite of the fact that many forms of abortion do use physical force against the unborn baby by suction and tongs and you've stated that the Bible clearly states that the earth is flat but as far as I can tell provided no proof thereof.
Boris says: Where exactly, does the Bible come out against abortion Mr. Bible man? Show me. Not there is it? You just got caught with your citations down. ROFL!
You said: Now I have no doubt that you believe all these things with all your heart - but you won't provide facts to prove them true! And some of them are obviously wrong (like physical force being required for murder to have been committed.)
Boris says: Why is it that Christians are told to believe things with their hearts? I use my HEAD to think, not my emotions, previous brainwashing and adherence to blind faith dogma.
You said: I've pointed out many times that your statements are obviously wrong and do you admit it and stop making them? No, you don't. Would you admit it if you realized you were wrong, I wonder? I have my doubts.
Boris says: Like a typical Christian you get proved wrong and refuse to admit it. You have NOT proved one word I’ve posted wrong and you know it. Your wish thinking is out of control. If I was wrong, the laws of the land would reflect this but they prove you wrong now don’t they? How come you cannot admit that the law disagrees with you? If the law agreed with you then why are you trying to change it?
You said: Heh, it's frightening that there are dozens of people like you in this country who think that murder cannot be committed without physical force, or that something can be both human and be in the state of being without being a human being, and they have the right to vote :-)
If you like, I would be delighted to discuss Biblical accuracy with you but right now perhaps we can try to more on topic of abortion. (But you did say you provided references for the Bible "clearly stating" that the earth was flat - I still would like that answer eventually.)
Boris says: Oh come on. The Bible says the earth was created in six days and there was vegetation on the earth BEFORE the sun even existed. The Bible says the first woman was from a rib. If you think that is accurate go ahead and prove it. Your attempts at proving things are absolutely hilarious and your willful ignorance and lack of any science education are just off the charts! Your knowledge of the Bible is non-existent.
You said: Either abortion does meet all the requirements for murder or it doesn't. I think the facts clearly indicate that it does. You seem to think not. I'm trying to figure out how we come to such different conclusions. Does your sincerely held Atheism influence your conclusion at all? Which of my facts do you dispute? that a human fetus that's about to be aborted is human? or that it's alive? or that it's innocent? or that it's unique? or that there are other areas where it is legal to kill an innocent human without a trial and with premeditation?
Boris says: If abortion meant the requirements for murder then it would be. But by law it isn’t. So you are wrong now aren’t you?
You said: My line of reasoning seems to be a very logical one and the conclusion as best I can tell is based purely on the facts and on science.
Boris says: You torture logic, distort science, are willfully ignorant of the laws of the land and then claim your lies are based on facts and science. Your lies are based on religious delusions put in your head by other PEOPLE.
How did you arrive at your position?
Boris says: Unlike you I use facts, logic and science. In other words I THINK while you believe what others tell you to. Big difference.
Farcy
September 15, 2008 11:10 PM
Perhaps unlike Boris, I place high regard for anyone's beliefs and opinions whether they are based in science or based on holy scripture. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and no one has a right to alter them forcefully or persuade others are wrong just because they think their viewpoint is correct. However, believers are at a disadvantage because they are NOT exempt from debating a scientific argument with science in mind. But scientists may be exempt from playing on the theological playing field.
Science can only be countered with more science, it is a double edge sword for Christians: They are allowed to and encouraged to use science to back up what their beliefs say is correct, but they sometimes have less experience with science than someone who isn't directed by faith (because that person typically uses reason and logic - the backbones of science - in their everyday thinking of the world around them). Furthermore scientific thought can be an additional burden because it relies on observations and data to give information about reality. This can be difficult for the Christian who is accustomed to supernatural and very non-scientific explanations for life's mysteries.
N. Lindzee Lindholm
August 25, 2009 10:20 PM
Forcing medical professionals to perform abortions is like forcing them to euthanize patients or terminate life via the death penalty. Medical professionals did not enter into the trade to terminate life, but to save and promote life. Therefore, forcing them to perform abortions is possibly dissuading people from entering the profession or forcing those whose convictions are strong, and have the right to hold this view, to terminate their career. Why should they be forced to go against the grain that brought them into the profession in the first place?
Boris
August 26, 2009 2:13 AM
No one is talking about forcing anyone to perform abortions. A person has to voluntarily be trained for that kind of work and if they're not they cannot perform or assist in abortions. Once again a Christian makes up a problem that doesn't exist so they can express their inner rage that other people are enjoying life and having guilt free sex and they cannot.
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Jesse,
You said: Are you an atheist? You know if I didn't know any better, I'd say that your atheism is your religion, and it goads you to believe a lie when you see with and not through the eye. (Probably William Blake)
Boris says: Atheists don’t need strength in numbers to confirm what they don’t believe. Atheists don’t get together once a week and throw their hands in the air and scream and shout and sing about what they believe or don’t believe. Atheists don’t try to explain naturalistic occurrences with supernatural mysticism and magic. That’s what YOU religious people do! ROFL!
You said: Why else would the termination of an innocent unique human life be murder in all cases except this one?
Boris says: Because you are distorting the language by incorrectly calling a potential human life an innocent unique human life in order to promote your religion's false doctrines. What is your response to my proof that you routinely distort the language to promote the lies of Christianity?
You said: You keep saying that but science proves you wrong. A fetus is both human and is in the state of being. It's a human being! Are my facts or my conclusion wrong on this one?
Boris says: Science and the law disagree with you and most importantly the majority of people in the world disagree with you.
You said: Does a 1year old have a right to be in any home of its parents? Can they too just vacuum it up when they decide they don't want it?
Boris says: A 1 year old is not a potential human being. You distort the language and then believe your own crap.
You said: And just what do you base your assertion on - your assertion that the fetus does not have a right to be in a place where it can live? God whispered it to you? or are you talking about law? what law? (or are you talking about one of the judges who agree with you?)
Boris says: The fetus does NOT have rights that contradict the rights of the mother. That is what the law and the judges say. Too bad for you and your desire to control women and turn them into second class breeding pigs.
You said: Anytime before birth, right? and why in tarzan not after birth?
Boris says: Birth is the difference between a human and a potential one.
You said: Any right that contradicts the right of another is not right..? So lets say you have the right to drive your car down your driveway. If one of the kids from next door gets lost and wanders to your driveway and sits down and won't move, do you still have the right to intentionally drive over him, knowing full well that it will kill him?
Does not the right to life preempt comparatively trivial rights? I'm certain that one would be charged with intentional brutal manslaughter even though they were well within their rights (besides the fact that they know that their action of driving down their driveway would cause the death of an innocent person.)
Boris says: No one has the “right” to drive anywhere in this country. Wow, you really are frighteningly ignorant of the laws in this country. Driving a car is a privilege, which is earned by passing a test and obeying the traffic laws, NOT a right. No one has the “right” to drive down any driveway, even their own.
You said: Why do you go on such about other people? Why not show me the error in MY facts or conclusion? (You many times said it was wrong but have not shown how or why.)
Boris says: I proved you wrong, proved how and why you distort the language. Do you stomp your foot when you say it ain’t so? Everyone on this blog can see how and why you are wrong sir. Everyone.
You said: I didn't try to redefine anything. I'm just going on the facts, and those facts are that a human fetus is a unique innocent live human being, and that under any other circumstances the killing of an innocent human being is illegal as being murder. I'm not making any of this up!
Boris says: You either made ALL of that up or heard it from one of your cult leaders. Science and the courts disagree with you. If they didn’t we wouldn’t even be having this conversation now would we?
You said: Why is it you keep talking about OTHER people? Why not talk about my argument? I don't see what anyone else's past actions have to do with my argument. Either my facts are right or wrong. Either my conclusion is right or wrong. If you're saying that I came to the wrong conclusion then explain not that it is, but why it is wrong!
Boris says: I’m not talking about other people when I show how YOU distort the language to make points that aren’t valid.
You said: Yeah yeah always busted you say. You know that word won't have any meaning by the time I actually do get busted :-)
But I don't want to drop it. I want to know why killing an innocent live human being is murder in all other circumstances. I don't know what the secrets of anyone's religion have to do with this - I think it's a matter of science and law.
Boris says: If you thought it was a matter of science and law then why can’t you accept the fact that science and law disagree with you?
You said: Ha ha that's funny. You just pasted a big chunk of text probably from:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm
without actually reading through to see if the text you pasted contained any references to the Bible actually claiming a flat earth! I would still like a reference to the Bible clearly stating that the earth is flat as you say.
You said: Now wait a second. We're talking about what the Bible says - how come you/they are talking about alledged "flat earthers"?! You told me that the Bible says that the earth is flat!
As to the earth being fixed, what is your problem? I fixed a GPS antenna on my car roof. It has a strong magnet. It stays in the same place even at 70mph. Right in the center of my roof, where I put it. It's on a foundation that holds it exactly where it needs to be.
I don't see the problem you're having with the Bible describing the earth being on a foundation where it is fixed. It is! It's on a orbital foundation - even though it is moving through space at around 67K miles per hour, it's on a predetermined path and is held right where it needs to be - just the right distance from the Sun. What is your problem with the the scripture passages you quote? You claim they are absurd, and you quote them, then you proceed to strawmanify about other people that don't have anything to do with the Bible.
Boris says: I can tell you get all your science from other creationist instead of real scientists. No planet travels in a perfectly circular orbit. Each planet’s orbit has a different shape from all the other planets’, and no planet even maintains a constant distance from the sun. Moreover the sun is moving and is not at the center of any planet’s orbit and no planet repeats the same orbit twice. So the Bible could not be more wrong and neither could you. ROFL!
You said: I'm skipping the rest of this topic in this message because it's no more useful then the first part you provided.
Like my grandpa could have but probably didn't say, if a man can't make his own point, he probably doesn't have one!
(I noticed that you just copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from other anti-Christian websites without having the decency to give them credit.)
Considered me warned - now even though you're trying hard to siderail this off of the topic of abortion, you did claim that the Bible states that the earth is flat but as far as I can tell you have not provided any evidence of that - so please do! I'm sure you well may have the info but just accidentally neglected to post it. As I said, my goal is to learn and speak the truth. If the Bible says that the earth is flat, I want to know.
Boris says: Why did the Church leaders tell Columbus he would fall off the edge of the flat earth? Why does the Association for Biblical Astronomy use the Bible to prove the Earth is flat and never moves?
You said: Correction: It is 100% human and 100% in the state of being. (existence.)
Boris says: Correction: This is a lie as I’ve already proved. Do you think if you keep chanting your lies that will make them come true some day?
You said: Boris, you don't know that for sure. Not that facts get in your way. But if they could see the fists and the nose on the ultrasound, it may be old enough to live in air. And in any case, it may be possible to move it from one woman's womb to another's, so it may be true to say that "it cannot live apart from your sister-in-law." And besides, a 4 year old can't live apart from somebody providing for and protecting it either - does that mean it's not murder to kill it?
Boris says: If abortion were really murder then people would go to jail for doing or having them. But they DON’T do they? So your whole case is shot down in flames isn’t it? The majority rules and you aren’t part of the majority, but rather in a minority populated by religious fanatics.
You said: If I'm driving out my driveway and I'm late on my way to the movies, and there's a 5 year old in my driveway and won't move, does it's right to live supersede my right to drive out my driveway or not?
Boris says: Again driving is NOT a right. You’re just repeating yourself now because you have nothing important or even true to say.
You said: Wow, you only know three women who had abortions? or were there others that you know too? If some you knew did regret it, would you tell us that too?
Boris says: I’m an atheist so, unlike Christians, I always tell the truth.
You said: Boris, are you in the thinking or the believing category? Now keep in mind that you can still be in the believing category but believe not in God or the Bible but in other things like Evolution and Humanism or any number of other things.
Boris says: Truth doesn’t demand belief. Your religion does though which proves that it isn’t true. I’m a thinker and you’re a believer in what others tell you to believe.
You said: If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were a believer (but not in the Bible). I mean, you keep reasserting that abortion is not murder, and you keep saying that a fetus is not a human being even though it is unquestionably human and in the state of being, and you've said that to kill without physical force is not murder even though murder can be committed with poison and in spite of the fact that many forms of abortion do use physical force against the unborn baby by suction and tongs and you've stated that the Bible clearly states that the earth is flat but as far as I can tell provided no proof thereof.
Boris says: Where exactly, does the Bible come out against abortion Mr. Bible man? Show me. Not there is it? You just got caught with your citations down. ROFL!
You said: Now I have no doubt that you believe all these things with all your heart - but you won't provide facts to prove them true! And some of them are obviously wrong (like physical force being required for murder to have been committed.)
Boris says: Why is it that Christians are told to believe things with their hearts? I use my HEAD to think, not my emotions, previous brainwashing and adherence to blind faith dogma.
You said: I've pointed out many times that your statements are obviously wrong and do you admit it and stop making them? No, you don't. Would you admit it if you realized you were wrong, I wonder? I have my doubts.
Boris says: Like a typical Christian you get proved wrong and refuse to admit it. You have NOT proved one word I’ve posted wrong and you know it. Your wish thinking is out of control. If I was wrong, the laws of the land would reflect this but they prove you wrong now don’t they? How come you cannot admit that the law disagrees with you? If the law agreed with you then why are you trying to change it?
You said: Heh, it's frightening that there are dozens of people like you in this country who think that murder cannot be committed without physical force, or that something can be both human and be in the state of being without being a human being, and they have the right to vote :-)
If you like, I would be delighted to discuss Biblical accuracy with you but right now perhaps we can try to more on topic of abortion. (But you did say you provided references for the Bible "clearly stating" that the earth was flat - I still would like that answer eventually.)
Boris says: Oh come on. The Bible says the earth was created in six days and there was vegetation on the earth BEFORE the sun even existed. The Bible says the first woman was from a rib. If you think that is accurate go ahead and prove it. Your attempts at proving things are absolutely hilarious and your willful ignorance and lack of any science education are just off the charts! Your knowledge of the Bible is non-existent.
You said: Either abortion does meet all the requirements for murder or it doesn't. I think the facts clearly indicate that it does. You seem to think not. I'm trying to figure out how we come to such different conclusions. Does your sincerely held Atheism influence your conclusion at all? Which of my facts do you dispute? that a human fetus that's about to be aborted is human? or that it's alive? or that it's innocent? or that it's unique? or that there are other areas where it is legal to kill an innocent human without a trial and with premeditation?
Boris says: If abortion meant the requirements for murder then it would be. But by law it isn’t. So you are wrong now aren’t you?
You said: My line of reasoning seems to be a very logical one and the conclusion as best I can tell is based purely on the facts and on science.
Boris says: You torture logic, distort science, are willfully ignorant of the laws of the land and then claim your lies are based on facts and science. Your lies are based on religious delusions put in your head by other PEOPLE.
How did you arrive at your position?
Boris says: Unlike you I use facts, logic and science. In other words I THINK while you believe what others tell you to. Big difference.
Perhaps unlike Boris, I place high regard for anyone's beliefs and opinions whether they are based in science or based on holy scripture. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and no one has a right to alter them forcefully or persuade others are wrong just because they think their viewpoint is correct. However, believers are at a disadvantage because they are NOT exempt from debating a scientific argument with science in mind. But scientists may be exempt from playing on the theological playing field.
Science can only be countered with more science, it is a double edge sword for Christians: They are allowed to and encouraged to use science to back up what their beliefs say is correct, but they sometimes have less experience with science than someone who isn't directed by faith (because that person typically uses reason and logic - the backbones of science - in their everyday thinking of the world around them). Furthermore scientific thought can be an additional burden because it relies on observations and data to give information about reality. This can be difficult for the Christian who is accustomed to supernatural and very non-scientific explanations for life's mysteries.
Forcing medical professionals to perform abortions is like forcing them to euthanize patients or terminate life via the death penalty. Medical professionals did not enter into the trade to terminate life, but to save and promote life. Therefore, forcing them to perform abortions is possibly dissuading people from entering the profession or forcing those whose convictions are strong, and have the right to hold this view, to terminate their career. Why should they be forced to go against the grain that brought them into the profession in the first place?
No one is talking about forcing anyone to perform abortions. A person has to voluntarily be trained for that kind of work and if they're not they cannot perform or assist in abortions. Once again a Christian makes up a problem that doesn't exist so they can express their inner rage that other people are enjoying life and having guilt free sex and they cannot.
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