Lynn v. Sekulow

Religious Leaders Make Mistake in Meeting with Iranian President Ahmadinejad

Monday September 22, 2008

Categories: Religious Freedom
In an inexplicable move, some religious organizations will host a dinner reception on September 25 for one of the world's most renowned terrorist supporters, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He has been asked to speak on the topic, "Has Not One...
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Randy
September 22, 2008 8:33 PM

Will you provide some details as to who invited him, particularly on the part of the Episcopal church and when and where this is to happen?
Thanks.

Don
September 22, 2008 8:51 PM

Jay, this is consistent with much of TEC past practice. Washington Bishop John Chane has very cordial relations with the Iranians:

http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5359

Although it's doubtful that Chane and other bishops of like mind would have much in common with many conservative Christians, they are very supportive of homosexuals in their church. Considering that homosexuality is a capital offence in Iran, this is very strange.

Cara floyd
September 23, 2008 1:23 AM

Well, to say the holocaust didn't happen, what a joke! I guess he didn't see the documentary of the bodies being shovelled into the mass grave sights, the claw marks in the gas chambers from the people trying to escape, the carts which transported the bodies back and forth to the ovens. I saw documentation of the event. Live futage of bodies and the consentration camps. I saw the people walking away after the war had ended in their skeletal forms. God bless the families and the survivors who went through such a horrific crime which is almost too catastrophic to put into words! If a leader can deny that the holocaust existed, what else can he deny or discredit? It is so disheartening words can not express how grievous that this mentality actually exist. How do we protect them in other countries who have leaders which will murder you because you are a Christian or other ethnic or religious background?
Thanks,
Cara Floyd



curt weaver
September 23, 2008 2:26 AM

Perhaps we shouldn't be too quick to condemn the actions of these religious groups... Is not the concept of loving our enemies at the core of the Gospel? Perhaps their actions should be seen as less political in nature and simply an attempt at faithful discipleship.

Boris
September 23, 2008 10:01 AM

The Holocaust deniers are the Christians, not anyone else. Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.

Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity.

Not only did evangelical Christian round up and slaughter 6 million Jews but they also slaughtered 5 million other non-Christians simply because they didn't accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior.

Unsympathetic reader
September 23, 2008 11:09 AM

Jay, with all due respect, I don't think you understand Quaker principles. Consider researching the pharse: "Speak truth to power". Insofar as these groups will listen to Ahmadinejad, they will also try to get him to listen to them.

Sometimes, playing the moral outrage card isn't nearly as productive as engaging dialog.

QuakerJohn
September 23, 2008 11:17 AM

Speak Truth to Power is a phrase coined by the Quakers in the 1950's.
We have engaged and challenged in loving ways people with whom we have vemently disagreed -- from slaveholders to those restricting the rights of woman to those who would refuse war relief to 'enemy civilians.' For the latter work in particular the Quakers were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

I know from personal experience that this dinner will not be a one-sided opportunity for Amadinejad to push his beliefs, but one of real engagment where the office to which he was elected by the people ofIran will be honored, but the man who currently serves in that office will be strongly eldered -- in the deepest sense of Jesus's ministry.

Jeff
September 23, 2008 12:39 PM

To address what Boris said, in every religion, there are individuals who claim to be of that certain religion, but truly do not follow the precepts of what it teaches.

I am not denying that many were killed in the name of Christianity, however those beliefs are certainly not Biblical and therefore should not be put in the same category with those who do their best to adhere to the tenets of scripture. Just because someone says they are a Christian does not mean they are. According to Matthew 7, you can know a tree by the fruit it produces. Consequently, those that killed Jews, Catholics, etc. in the name of Christianity, really were members of pseudo-Christianity, not the authentic thing, for the Bible does not teach we should kill. But rather, we are to pray and tell people the truth with hopes they will come to Christ.

I am a fundamentalist. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven. I believe the Bible is right. But please do not place us with those who kill in the name of Jesus. Thanks.

Debbie
September 23, 2008 8:04 PM

Go to www.mcc.org for more information about this event.

Cara Floyd
September 24, 2008 1:14 PM

This Christian does not deny the holocaust. I do not deny my heritage. I feel like that one that was shipped off on a train and then murdered during the holocaust. That could have been my sister, my mother, my best friend and all my relatives. I feel like the the one being brought up on charges for choosing Christianity. Do I feel comfortable to meet with a man willing to murder me?
I could have been the one that they are trying to murder. Are you going to meet with him and throw cuffs on him for trying to murder me? Are you going to have lunch with a terrorist and shake his hand and say have a nice day, while behind enemy lines he is murdering your child,brother, mother, dad, friend?
Cara Floyd

Larry
September 24, 2008 2:21 PM

You are correct that hard questions have been asked in past meetings and will be again. The involved organizations have made it very clear that they do not give a "free ride" on difficult questions. You can read statements from Mennonite Central Committee here. http://mcc.org/iran/meetings2008/index.html#controversy

NoIslamNoWay
September 24, 2008 5:15 PM

I agree with Jay 100% on his position, and find this meeting to be inexplicable as well, not only for the reasons that he has mentioned above, but firstly, because Allah is not the God of the Bible!

Secondly, Islam is not just a religion. In fact, some question whether or not it is a religion at all, but a governmental/political system with designs on taking over the world that uses "religion" as a facade.

I completely agree with this statement: "Appeasement did not work in the lead up to World War II and appeasing Ahmadinejad will not work here either."

This meeting will be a disaster - mark my words - not only due to the aforementioned quote, but because it also sends the wrong message to true believers in Christ. This meeting is a shame, and it's a disgrace, and may God forgive them for their lack of wisdom & insight.

dsjulian
September 25, 2008 4:12 AM

NoIslamNoWay said: "...because Allah is not the God of the Bible!" and "because it also sends the wrong message to true believers in Christ."

True believers in Christ have nothing to fear from their perceived enemies, which is why the Bible specifically says the real enemy is "spiritual forces in of wickedness in heavenly places" not "flesh and blood". True believers in God know that the Bible also specifically says there is only one God, Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and that "there is none like" Him. That means God is God no matter what you choose to call him. Dialectially Al-lah and El-oi are the same thing.

NoIslamNoWay said: "Secondly, Islam is not just a religion. In fact, some question whether or not it is a religion at all, but a governmental/political system with designs on taking over the world that uses 'religion' as a facade."

Apparently you are unaware that the same nonsensical logic is used against Christianity and Judaism as well.

The only people who have anything to fear from this meeting are hypocrities who are afraid their own hypocrisy will be exposed when Ahmadinejad holds up the mirror...

Sharon Ticknor
September 25, 2008 1:10 PM

A Good Day to You!
I just have a comment as regards to the meeting of the churches with the Iranian spokesman.
In Scripture,the Book of Esther--- "for such a time as this".
In history, the so called Christian church were involved in the destruction of many Jewish people. We know about the Crusades. Today, we have the opportunity to face the evil before us and ask that they heed the desire of The God of Abraham,Issac and Jacob. Naturally, I dont expect that this leader would consider this as he thinks he is doing this will.
And we who believe ask our Lord to have mercy on Israel and protect her and show His Face to her that she may know that He Is.
The battle is The Lords. We fight not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers in high places.
In Chronicles--"If My people who are called by My Name....". We can win this on our knees my friend!
The laws of men are not the laws of God.
It is my hearts desire to see Our Lord, Ha Adon Yashua Ha Mashiach Melek Olam take His place in Yerushalyim and straighten out what we have perverted.
Prophecy is bitter sweet. And our Lord tells us flat out what must be done to cure our problems.
Only He is worthy to rule and reign.
Blessed is He who comes in The Name of The Lord. Blessed is His Kingdom which will remain forever and ever.

Because I love Him First,
Sharon

Steven Goossen
September 26, 2008 11:31 PM

After reading the article I would say, the Christian groups that put this dinner together are on to something. You, who wrote the article, are no better in condemning this action than the Pharisees were in condemning Jesus for his actions which did not fit the likings of the religious leaders of his day. That is why our (my) Christian Faith (not religious faith) is so radical, risky and contemptible from people like you.

JBettice
September 27, 2008 5:32 PM

What do the churches and religious leaders meeting with the Iranian president have to say for themselves about their contact with him? I'd like to hear that side of the issue.

Tom "doodlebug"
September 29, 2008 8:22 PM

The Jewish King Shlomo writes, "honor is not fitting for a fool [rascal]." He also says, "If you give honor to a fool, you arm him thereby, as if you're putting a stone in his sling[-shot]." Thus, a meeting with a killer Cultist may encourage him to continue in his own track (Ecclesiastes 8:11).
_ _ What commonality does Light have with Darkness (-Paul, 2nd Corinthians 6:14)? How can two people walk together if they are not in agreement (-Amos)? If a Thought-Bomb breaks the mind-control, then oneself might have an opportunity to gain influence in a Cultic mind.
_ _ One could, like a crazy fox, beg and grovel, beseeching to know whether a non-Muslim may chant, in the respectful manner of a Muezzin calling from a Minaret, the hard-to-understand, not-morally-related dogmas that are attributed to the Prophet in Moslem Scripture. King Abdullah II imprisoned people who sought to publish the life of Muhammad as told in Scripture.
_ _ If a devout Muslim invites you to a Ramadan event, do not smile, but with profound gravity, observe the fluxuations and confusion on his or her face. For oneself cannot fully delight in, nor be heartily devoted to, what the mind does not accept or somewhat understand.
Confer the Proboards.com account of the Cal. St. Univ., Northridge:
http://dailysundial.proboards30.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=33

N. Lindzee Lindholm
September 5, 2009 2:50 PM

I am appalled that religious groups would ask Ahmadinejad to speak on the topic of "Has Not One God Created Us? The Significance of Religious Contributions to Peace". If anyone is anti-religious, it is Ahmadinejad himself. How religious and peaceful is it to desire to annihilate the Jewish state of Israel? If anything, he is a promoter of war and torture, and a persecutor of any faith other than Islam since he prescribes the death penalty to all who convert to a faith other than Islam and has ordered a death sentence for many Christians and other members of religious groups. As Dr. Jay stated and as the US Commission on International Religious Freedom recognizes, this man and the country of Iran is one of the worst violators of human rights. The only vote Mr. Ahmadinejad gets from me is to speak on the topic of "The Significance of Anti-Islamic hatred and violence to the creation of conflict and unjustifiable torture and death in the world".

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Lynn v. Sekulow is an ongoing debate blog--a blogalogue--about how big (or little) a role faith and religion should play in American politics and government, featuring the two leading voices of the church/state battle: American Center for Law & Justice Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow and Americans United for Separation of Church and State Executive Director Rev. Barry W. Lynn.

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