Wow – I’m reminded of the comments made by a Jewish Rabbi about what the Nazi’s did during holocaust. Something to the effect that people stood by and did nothing while they took away group after group and said to themselves,”It’s ok, they’re not bothering me.” Your comment about “vetting” the ‘purity’ of someone’s beliefs is a bit chilling, but true among many ‘pure’ Christians I know.

Unfortunately, there was a very real bias gainst Romney’s religion during the recent campaign. There is a really good book titled, A Different God? Mitt Romney, the Religious Right and the Mormon Question that discusses and analyzes what happened. I strongly recommend it.

If Evangelicals continue demonizing Mormons, Catholics, and Jehovah Witnesses, et al, people of faith will never have an administration and Congress in Washington which will uphold traditional (Judeo-Christian) values.
The slide into Gomorrah will contine with the secular-progressive cabal. How is it that homosexuals, feminists, unions, anarchists, etc can unite, and Christians cannot? Let’s stop the name-calling and recognize virtue when we see it. Mormons should accept Evangelicals’ messages, and Evangelicals should accept Mormons’ messages, if they support their ideals, and not censor them because of the religion of the author. That is plain and simple bigotry.

While I don’t normally agree with Barry Lynn (who parades as a man of the cloth), he is right about this religious bigotry.
Where he and I don’t agree is that Christians (both Nicene and non-Nicene Christians) can’t be disparaging each other. The secular-progressives (of which Barry Lynn is a proud member) will have completed our country’s slide toward Gomorrah. They already disregard the Constitution.

What I have read so far of Barry Lynn doesn’t lead me to believe that he isn’t a secular-progressive and that scares me that he is sticking up for us Mormons.
I am Mormon and I can tell you it doesn’t hurt me one bit that evangelicals find a problem with my religion, or with Glenn Beck. Heck I take it as a complement. If evangelicals did anything more than rant about who is christian and who isn’t this country would be in a better spot. They took down the page, so what it’s not like Glenn Beck doesn’t have other internet sites. If evangelicals can’t see or find good in Mormons, we Mormons will just have to find good in them. Turn the other check right, maybe just living those words might be the best advice to all.

Do you even watch Glenn Beck? Your comments about him make it seem as though you have not. Glenn believes in what our founding fathers believed in, and openly criticizes anyone, Rep or Dem,who pulls this country away from the founding fathers original intents. What “extreme right-wing positions and ignorance” do you speak of?

Why the pot shots at Ann Coulter. Off topic for this story and you obviously have never talked to her about her faith. If you would like to, I can arrange that call.

I just want to know when “The Christmas Mini-Skirt” comes out.

I just want to know when “The Christmas Mini-Skirt” comes out.

Angus:
I would be happy to have a private or public conversation with Ann on her faith.

I agree with Rev. Barry Lynn that Focus on the Family’s excuse for pulling Glenn Beck’s interview on his book was ludicrous. Glenn Beck was trying to honor Christ through this book. Why should this be hurtful to Evangelicals?
Should we throw out all the writings, movies, plays, artwork of people that don’t believe exactly as we do.
My question is do Evangelicals think it is ok to read a book written by a man who sinned against God but not by one who simply has a different view of God? Well in that case we should throw out Psalms in the bible since David committed the most grevious of sins by committing adultry and then having Bethsheba’s husband killed.

This bigotry is of course a prime reason for keeping religion out of politics as much as possible. I’d like to say more but just read Barry Lynn. By the way, is “secular” or “progressive” supposed to be insulting labels like some consider “liberal”?

How frightening when you think about it. An individual suddenly vanishing, censored, erased. Thats really scary.

If you were to go to any Christian bookstore and look in the non-Christian cult section you will see numerous books on Mormonism that document Mormon beliefs as aberrant and un-Biblical. The Mormon Church is not considered a Christian church.
This is not simply an opinion that they are false. It is a fact that they teach aberrant and unchristian theology. In fact, Jesus warned us about such groups when he said in Matthew 24:24 that in the last days many false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and deceive many. Mormonism is exactly that, a manifestation of a false prophet: Joseph Smith, who taught all these things.
The Bible does not teach that God came to another planet, or that he has a goddess wife, or that we can become gods. In fact, the Bible clearly and definitely contradicts those teachings. But, Mormon Church responds by saying that the Bible is not really trustworthy, that the true faith was lost, and that its leader, Joseph Smith, restored the so-called “true” Christian faith: god from another world, becoming gods, goddess mother, etc. Of course, the Mormon Church’s claim is not true.
One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches? Why is it that the Mormon Church refuses to have open dialogue and appoint a representative who would attempt to defend the LDS teachings from the Bible? Why does it refuse to do this? I believe it is because it doesn’t want to be made to look bad.

Mormonism and Christianity
Dear Rev. Lynn,
The reason Jay and I supported Mr. Romney was because he shares with us the same conservative values and political views. I link myself with Jay even though I am a born again Catholic and Jay is a born again Christian because we are in complete agreement on about 99% or more social and political views, and worldview also. This analogy can be compared to all Christians alongside Mormons. Although Mormonism is mostly unbiblical, a little bit Biblical, along with extrabiblical, all in the same mix, both Mormons and most Christians adhere to the same core social and political values. This is why a Mormon writer can be featured by Focus on the Family. I’m sure that his rendition of the Christmas story followed the Biblical text because the Christmas story is taken right out of scripture, and therefore could be featured as a source for Christians. Focus was taking a chance by featuring it though because its author comes from the Mormon faith which is very strange and is not true Christianity. However, divergent faiths can come together as one when they agree on social and political values, along with basic worldviews. So Focus decided to feature the Christmas story that was written by a Mormon, even though the audience was upset because of the author’s background. It is not prejudice that caused the audience to be upset, but they were upset because of the huge difference in the doctrines of the Mormon religion as compared to Christianity. Mormonism is most often considered a cult; but even so, the author might have written a Christmas story that did adhere to scripture. Various divergent faiths can come together under one social and political cause even though in many other situations they would be at odds with each other.

If Evangelicals continue demonizing Mormons, Catholics, and Jehovah Witnesses, et al, people of faith will never have an administration and Congress in Washington which will uphold traditional (Judeo-Christian) values.
Fine by me.
The administration and Congress are not supposed to uphold traditional Judaeo-Christian values. They are supposed to uphold the U.S. Constitution.

One question to ask the Mormon Church as a whole is why is it that it does not appoint a representative to publicly debate and answer the challenges of competent Christians who know not only the Bible, but what Mormonism teaches? Why is it that the Mormon Church refuses to have open dialogue and appoint a representative who would attempt to defend the LDS teachings from the Bible? Why does it refuse to do this? I believe it is because it doesn’t want to be made to look bad.
I sincerely doubt that. Perhaps Mormons learned from the Catholics of the Spanish Inquisition who held these “debates” with Jewish Rabbis. To say that the jury was loaded is an understatement!

The right-wing group Focus on the Family is being accused of manipulating research on gays and lesbians in an effort to advance its homophobic agenda. It all began when the Colorado Springs, Colo.–based group released a statement on its Web site refuting the results of a study on lesbian teens conducted by Elizabeth Saewyc of the University of British Columbia. Saewyc’s study found that lesbian teens were more likely to attempt suicide than their straight peers, but Focus on the Family took an opportunity to use the findings to come up with a different conclusion than what Saewyc found. “Regrettably, [lesbian teens] think they have to embrace homosexuality because pro-gay advocates told them that they were born gay,” claimed Focus on the Family spokeswoman Melissa Fryrear on the group’s site. On Monday, Saewyc responded to Focus on the Family’s claims by telling the Canadian Press, “The research has been hijacked for somebody’s political purposes or ideological purposes, and that’s worrisome.” The conservative group defended itself in the Canadian Press article by bringing up a 2001 study on sexual orientation conducted by Columbia University professor Robert Spitzer. Spitzer said Focus on the Family was once again distorting the facts. “Although a third of the subjects in my study reported having had serious thoughts of suicide related to their homosexuality, not one of them blamed the gay rights movement’s advocating a ‘born gay’ theory of homosexuality as the cause of their suicidal thinking,” Spitzer said. “Focus on the Family should shut down its fib factory and start focusing on the needs of real families,” said Wayne Besen, executive director of Truth Wins Out, a pro-gay advocacy group. “This group mocks science and can’t tell a centrifuge from a centerfold or a test tube from a boob tube. All they understand is the science of spin, which got them into a lot of trouble.” (The Advocate) See Focus on the Family accused of manipulating research

I am amazed at the attack on Focus on the Family here on this website. I have followed Focus on the Family and listened to its broadcasts for years. They have NEVER EVER been “homophobic” or bigoted against Mormons or any other religion for that matter.
I am an evangelical. I love Glenn Beck, Mitt Romney and Ann Coulter for that matter. If Bible believing Christians say that Mormons are not Christians it is because of what the Bible says. It is not just their opinion. The Bible is either true to you or it isn’t. Just as I believe that homosexuality is a sin. It is not my opinion it is God’s word that says it is. I do not pick and choose what part of the Bible to believe and what to discard based on today’s values. I am a sinner and just as guilty as anyone else. That is why I turned to Jesus for forgiveness.

Kelly the Bible says that vegetation was on the earth BEFORE the moon and sun even existed. Do you CHOOSE to believe that? Do you believe, as Jesus did, that epilepsy is caused by demon possession?

Kelly writes: “I do not pick and choose what part of the Bible to believe and what to discard based on today’s values.”
Really…
I Corinthians 14:34,35
34) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
So, Kell, you don’t talk at all in church? Not one little syllable? And I hope you don’t attend Bible study at church. That would constitute “learning” in church, something the Bible clearly condemns. I know you wait til you get home from church to be instructed by your husband, correct?
Let’s be honest, Kell. You do “pick and choose” what you want to believe and explain away the rest. You can fling Galatians 1:8,9 at Mormons, I Corithinans 6:9 at Catholics or Romans 1 at gays with ease and a sense of flair, because those passages don’t affect you.
But, I bet you’re not to keen on I Corinthians 14:34,35. I bet you ignore I Timothy 2:12 as well (look it up). There are more gems in the Bible you don’t follow either. Lots more.
So, stop thumping the Bible at everyone else and get your own act together.

Rhe Mormons and the Evangelicals are very similar. Jesus drove the money-changers from the Temple, but that was temporary. Like George sai, “Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs your money. “

There are thousands of churches whose members are genuinely trying to seek the truth and follow Christ that do not believe specifically as I do. The bible says that the saints were first labeled as “Christians” in Antioch. No specific criteria for this title are provided in the scriptures. In the absence of this criterion I assert that any person, regardless of denomination, who believes in Christ and tries to better the world through living his two great commandments, is in fact “Christian.” Individuals should seek truth and follow the path or denomination that prayer, study, and the Holy Ghost dictate. However, pejorative monikers like “cult” or “non-Christian” are clearly arbitrary.
After all, what governing ecumenical body determines what is or is not a cult or who can properly be labeled a Christian? At what point do the differences in denomination become significant enough to label another person trying to follow Christ as cultic and unchristian? Are Southern Baptists who disagree with that body’s annual elected decisions not Christian? That reasoning necessarily connotes that any church not adhering to your own unique understanding of God be labeled non-Christian.
Some reference “orthodox” Christianity and the creeds as the source of acknowledged Christianity. Are the followers of Christ who lived for hundreds of years between the time of his death and the time men decided to write the creeds to be condemned as well? Because a belief is old does that make it true? At what age does something become orthodox? Jewish doctrine is much older than creedal Christianity; does that make it more authoritative?
This completely arbitrary definition of “non-Christian” split the key element of the Republican Party in 2008 resulting in the nomination of a mediocre candidate.
Liberals in the media and politics intentionally exploited this arbitrary labeling to split the Christian vote, herd in the weakest republican candidate and ensure a democrat victory. We Christians are doomed to repeat these processes if we continue to allow agenda driven media, biased clergy, or ignorance to define other followers of Christ as “non Christian.”

“A cult is a religion with no political power” Thomas Wolfe

Galatians 1:8,9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9) As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Titus 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

A religion is just a cult with more members.

Memo to Chad H.
The LDS church does appoint representatives to articulate, discuss and defend Mormon beliefs. There are 60,000 of them the world over.
They are called missionaries. You don’t have to look to hard to find one. Open thine eys, dufus.
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Love the mormon, hate the heresy.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Love the Christian hate the Christianity

A religion is just a cult with more members.
Absolutely right! I read a student sociology paper once that made the case for Alcoholics Anonymous being a religion. She made a very good case.

Yet AA denies being a religion. They clearly are one. So many are sentenced to their church that you might say they have become the state religion. This is an enormous travesty and a disgrace that doesn’t get enough attention largely due to the stigma of drug and alcohol use and abuse. (Sorry to digress)

“Drugs are the religion of the 21rst century.” – Timothy Leary

I know lots of Mormons, and whatever you believe about Mormons they’re more Christlike than most Evangelical I’ve met on the internet.

People who wear magic underwear are not concerned with the attacks leveled at them by evangelical Christians. Someone needs to explain to me how belief in magic underwear is any more retarded than a belief in Jesus.

Thank you Reverend Lynn for an honest take on Focus on the Family’s unfortunate decision.

Dear Friends,
Please be aware that the so-called Mormon “Magic Underwear” is a myth.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Sainsts (the Mormons) dress modestly and wear a garment under their clothing as a reminder of their covenants with Christ. The undergarment serves as a reminder, in an world of increasing immodesty and unchastity, of those covenants that help to purify us.
The singer Bob Dyan, wrote a beautiful song, “The Times They Are a Changing”, where he poetically sings, “and don’t criticize what you can’t understand”. Prophetic.

Boris,
Jesus Christ was an actual person that lived and walked this Earth (do the research). How can you compare Him with the concept of magic underwear? The reason that you can’t understand Christ and the Bible is that you do not have “a relationship” with Christ. The only way that one can obtain a relationship with God is to submit to Him. Do you believe in any aspect of the supernatural?

Long ago I read something from ancient records regarding how during the period of 40 days before Christ’s ascension (but after his resurrecion) he taught the faithful some sacred concepts that they were to keep sacred–some to be kept very hush, hush about. They were also given under clothing related to their covenants. If someone knows about this and its source please respond–thanks.

Your Name
You said: Jesus Christ was an actual person that lived and walked this Earth (do the research). How can you compare Him with the concept of magic underwear?
Boris says: I have done the research and there is absolutely not one shred of evidence that Jesus Christ ever existed. I suggest you visit Jesusneverexisted.com to see just exactly what it is Christian apologists consider evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ compared to the real evidence we do have for actual historical figures.
You said: The reason that you can’t understand Christ and the Bible is that you do not have “a relationship” with Christ.
Boris says: In other words once I drink the Kool-Aid I’ll believe. No thanks. I have studied the Bible and also Classical Greek so I can read the NT in its original language. I’m Jewish so I read a little Hebrew also.
You said: The only way that one can obtain a relationship with God is to submit to Him.
Boris says: You have to understand that what you are saying that to me is no different than a Muslim telling you to submit to Allah. Now why can’t you submit to Allah? Because you don’t think there IS an Allah. I don’t think your God or Allah exists. So it would be impossible for me to submit to something that I’m quite sure isn’t there. See?
You said: Do you believe in any aspect of the supernatural?
Boris says: Absolutely not. There’s no evidence for anything supernatural. The universe and everything in it including life itself can be explained with very plausible explanations. Even though these explanations are incomplete they have been proved to be at least partially accurate thereby disproving all known explanations rooted in supernatural mysticism.

In response to a posting by Boris, January 16.2009 @ 8:31 p.m.
Your blind devotion to your errant beleifs that recorded history does not reflect that Jesus Christ lived is perhaps a convenientlie that you tell yourself. Had you actually researched this subject matter, with the same fervor you proclaim that HE did not exist, you would find that Josephus, a Jewish historian wrote of Him, (circa 70 A.D. The Complete works of Josephus, 18-3-18)
You would have also learned that within the past 15 years, Archeological findings clearly establish that Pontius Pilot ordered HIS crucifiction! Yet, men choose to remain blind, for their hearts are hardened to the truth. As my Lord said; “Men will not come into the light, for they love the darkness.”
It is written, concerning a certain man named Nicodemus, a Pharisee, a ruler of the Jews, possibly an elder member of the Sanhedrin Counsel: My Lord and Saviour, Jesus said to him, when he came to my Lord by night, “Except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God. You must be born again, of the water and of the Spirit.” Is it not written that God is a Spirit, and we must worship HIM in truth and in Spirit.” Is it not also written that the Spiritual man discerneth all things concerning God, for they are Spiritually discerned, but the natural man discerneth not the things of God?
You seem to be wagering your eternal soul upon the theory of evolution, how very sad indeed. The theory of evolution has never been supported by one shred of fact to support it, for the nature of man remains unchanged over the past 6,000 years, even though his toys have become more sophisticated and his secular knowlege has greatly increased. Yet, is it not written that in the last days that mans knowlege will be greatly increased? It is also written that the blind will lead the blind and they shall both fall in the ditch. For men thinking themselves wise became fools.
You may beleive as seems right to you, but I assure you, that one day, you will kneel before my holy Lord, Jesus Christ, and profess that HE is the Son of the Living God. For HE is the Messiah foretold of by the prophets and by the Word of God. Harden not your heart against my heavenly Father who desires that no man perish, but that all should receive eternal life through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ.

In response to: Your Name
January 16, 2009 6:11 PM
“Long ago I read something from ancient records regarding how during the period of 40 days before Christ’s ascension (but after his resurrecion) he taught the faithful some sacred concepts that they were to keep sacred–some to be kept very hush, hush about. They were also given under clothing related to their covenants. If someone knows about this and its source please respond–thanks.”
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Be not deceived by the doctrine of devils, for these are the teachings of the Book of Mormon, which was plagerized, in part, from the Holy Bible by Joseph Smith and a few of his confederates. If you desire to know the truth, study the Word of God and seek HIM with your whole heart, in humble repentance and sincerety, for HE will in no wise reject you.

In response to: Your Name
January 16, 2009 6:11 PM
“Long ago I read something from ancient records regarding how during the period of 40 days before Christ’s ascension (but after his resurrecion) he taught the faithful some sacred concepts that they were to keep sacred–some to be kept very hush, hush about. They were also given under clothing related to their covenants. If someone knows about this and its source please respond–thanks.”
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Be not deceived by the doctrine of devils, for these are the teachings of the Book of Mormon, which was plagerized, in part, from the Holy Bible by Joseph Smith and a few of his confederates. If you desire to know the truth, study the Word of God and seek HIM with your whole heart, in humble repentance and sincerety, for HE will in no wise reject you.

http://www.discoveringjesusfishing.net
I don’t have a problem with Focus taking down the interview. You stated that it had been up there for a while anyway. Considering the difference in values, it was nice for Focus to even post the interview. For a time, the Focus page was open to the exchange of various ideas. This should suffice. Nothing more is required.

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