Israel Must Defend Itself from Terrorism

First of all the kingdoms of Judah and Israel described in the Bible along with their forty kings never existed. Israel has no right to exist at the present time either. The United States is supporting apartheid by supporting the illegal nation of Israel. History will not look kindly on Israel or the United States. This is why the Europeans have devalued our dollar and put our nation of mostly uneducated religious morons well on the way to the Third World.

Interesting, in addressing only the first part of Mary-Lee's post, that Jay didn't actually deny that such evils she mentioned after her first sentence are taking place

Jimbino -- you are absolutely right. The UN had no right to create a new country where one already existed.

I live in the State of Washington. Down in Antelope, Oregon there was (is?) a huge commune founded by an Indian guru. If the Rajnishis got kicked out of Oregon and demanded a new Rajnishi State be created where I live -- and then the UN had the audacity to actually do it -- do they really think that any red-blooded Washingtonian would just roll over and allow it without resistance? Even decades, centuries, or even millennia later? Do they really think we would not seek support from other Washingtonians living in other states?

The only real solution in the Middle East is for all those Israeli squatters to return to their real homelands. Just as we learned in Viet Nam and now Iraq: The invaders must go home for the fighting to end.

Jay, Israel could have spent the 4-5 months of calm under the June ceasefire working, with international support, to deepen the ceasefire. Of course Israel had to plan to defend itself and build its military and was rightly concerned that Hamas was strengthening its own capacity. Still, one important component of the June deal was that Israel would ease the blockade on Gaza. This, however, never happened, and the humanitarian situation in Gaza was allowed to deteriorate. Had Israel eased the blockade, it would have created deeper incentives for Hamas and the Palestinian people to renew the ceasefire, giving civilians in Gaza a tangible sense that they had more to lose in a military confrontation.

Israel would have benefited from encouraging more effective mediation channels to Hamas through others, like Turkey and Qatar, instead of relying exclusively on Egypt. Similarly, Israel could have sought greater external pressure from Egypt and the United States to stop weapons from entering Gaza, particularly through the tunnels, while simultaneously improving defense systems and shelters in the south. More regularly opening crossings into and out of the Strip would have decreased the tunnel phenomenon, which currently benefits and strengthens Hamas and hurts civilians the most.

At the same time, Israel could have been working to improve conditions on the ground in the West Bank, including halting settlement expansion and easing check point restrictions on Palestinian freedom of movement. These steps would have shown the Palestinian people the benefits of working for peaceful change through diplomacy.

If Israel truly wants peace with its neighbors, it must have a few carrots to give out. As it is, there are only the sticks.

Your Name
Good point but I bet DSJulian has a good answer for you. I think we should ask the Native Americans or American Indians how an unrestricted flow of immigrants into their land has worked out for THEM so far.

Jay, the ignorance of some people who write to you on here about the situation in Gaza is astounding. They can't see past the noses on their faces. This whole situation is cyclical. In 2005, Israel removed all its settlements from the Gaza, despite protests, and withdrew completely. Billions of dollars of aid came rushing into the area from around the world. The Palestinians had the opportunity to take that money and create something magnificent for themselves. What did they do? They poured the money in more weapons in preparation for their next attempt to carry out Hamas' own charter...to wipe out Israel.

When the people of Gaza had nowhere to turn for jobs they had to go into Israel looking for work. As Israel opened up to these people coming in they also opened up for droves of suicide bombers to come in as well. So Israel rightly responds by closing the border with Gaza. This only causing more trouble because those people then have no place to go for work which only makes they hate Israel more and Hamas responds with thousands of rocket attacks over the past 3 years. They say they do this because Israel won't open its border.

Israel takes THREE years to finally respond and then gets blasted internationally for over-responding. What do people expect them to do? Do they open their borders to suicide bombers, let Hamas reign terror on them with rockets or defend themselves?

The truly cowardice part of this is that Hamas hides its weapons in the basement of hospitals, places women in children on the roofs of places they know Israel will bomb and then play to the willing media the accounts of horrendous civilian casualties caused by the big bad Israelis. And then people like the ones who write to you buy into that stuff.

Jay, I am also astonish by the ignorance of people. I'm sure if the United States was being rocketed, most Americans would be like, oh, that ok as long as the rocket doesn't hit me. This is ludicrous. This is the apathy of the US, were not at war, were at the mall. Let me set the record straight. I believe that the United States was founded on biblical principles, built on Christianity. I believe the Bible to be true. If you research the founding of America for yourselves and not follow someone else's opinion, you'll find the truth to be revealed. Also, you'll discover that the US has enjoyed many blessings for supporting Israel throughout the years. The Bible is very clear about this whether you believe this or not. Israel is the apple of God's eye. Read Genesis 12:2-3 "And I will make you a great nation, And I will bless you, And make your name great, And so, you shall be a blessing, And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse and in you all of the families of the earth will be blessed."

Israel has every right to stand up for itself. The US is part of the blame for Gaza. We were the ones that helped in dividing up the land. God has something to say about this as well, read Joel 3:2 "I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel. Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land." If everyone would think back to when the land of Gaza was given up, not to long after came hurricane Katrina. Just something to think about. The best thing that the United States can do is not to control Israel but, to support Israel. Pray for peace.

Rudy I'm astonished at the ignorance of people who have the nerve to claim the United States was founded on biblical or Christian principles. From the Treaty of Tripoli:
Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

This treaty was passed unanimously by Congress and signed by both George Washington and John Adams. Rudy there are atheists on this site who will call you on lies you tell about your religion and humiliate you with the truth as I just did.

Boris, I won’t go over the history over the Treaty of Tripoli, but it is sufficient to say that the article in question has little meaning as regards America’s Christian heritage. In fact, later iterations of the Treaty do not have that article.
Regarding the article itself, consider this:
* The article as it stands merely says that the government of America is not founded on the Christian religion. This does not mean that the American social/political network was not founded with Christian principles of mind, or that the peoples of America were not Christian to some degree; it merely addresses the government of America.
* It may occur to critics that the phrase "founded on the Christian religion" would have a certain meaning to those whose state were "founded on" the Islamic religion -- a "Mehomitan nation". The essential message would be that America was not a Christian theocracy, or a state where the church had political power, as the religious authorities in Muslim nations had power -- which is something no one argues for America.
(See http://www.tektonics.org/qt/tripoli.html)
However, even a cursory look at even our nation’s history shows that Christianity has had an influence in our culture. I’ll give just one example: George Washington’s farewell address. Part of it states thus: “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.”

Shawn,
There isn't one example of a democratic society in the Bible or in the history of Christianity. Our nation was founded by deists, not Christians. The Christian clergy of the Revolutionary period tried again and again to have references to Christianity inserted directly into the U.S. Constitution, but they were refused every time by the founders. It is no coincidence that there is no reference at all to Christianity or the Bible in the two documents which founded America. Our founders could have made a Christian nation had they so desired. But they did not.

In response to:

Your Name
January 19, 2009 7:10 AM

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z6vMAoFwf4
What most people neglect to understand is that Israel has always worked hard to create an environment of despair, hatred, and violence because it allows it to achieve its ultimate goal, which is the destruction of the Palestinian society, as we have seen in Gaza in the last few weeks."

My response:

Throughout the recorded history of mankind, from the Babylonian empire, the Roman occupation, Hitler's campaign of genecide against the Jews, and even now, the fanatical fundamentalist groups like Hamas, Al Qaeda, etc., we have read of or personally witnessed the persecution of the Jews, Gods' chosen people. Anti semitism has raised it's ugly head once more, even within the boundaries of the United State. Ignorant and blind men, hating that which they do not understand, advocate abandoning the United States policy of support for Israel, the smallest nation on this planet.

Can you explain or give us understanding as to how and why the United States, in little over 200 years, has become one of the, if not, the most powerful and wealthy nation on this planet? I most assuredly can, if you can not. The reason is quite simple, even though ignorant and blind men fail to comprehend my explanation.

For it is written: (Gods' covenant with the nation of Israel, through Abraham) "Those who bless you, I will bless, and those who curse you, I will curse." A little known fact is that a wealthy Jewish banker in Philadelphia, during the early onslaught of the American Revolution, when our miltia was struggling to merely survive at valley Forge, came to the aide of this nation, in it's infancy. This Jewish banker raised money for Washingtons army, and of course, the rest is history.

Israel is God's chosen people, and HIS covenant with Israel remains unbroken to this day. For the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, does not break HIS covenants like man breaks his. Because of sin, God has allowed Israel to suffer horrific jugements throughout their (Israels) history, yet, as prophesied,in 1948, Israel was once more gathered together again in the promised land, as a nation. Is it not written: "This generation shall not pass away until all things are fulfilled."

All of these events were foretold over 2,000 years ago. For the events whereof I speak, the carrying away of Israel, the desolation of Jerusalem, and its ultimate reformation as a nation, cme to pass for a reason. My holy Lord allowed these events to come to pass as an integral part of HIS plan. Had it not been for much needed military aide from the United States, Israel might have become over run in the 1973 war, when Syria and Egypt launched a sneak attack againt Israel. Yet, even though the United Staes provided military supplies and weaponry, had it not done so, I am confident that God would have used other means to preserve His chosen people, the nation of Israel.

For many decades now, the United States has been the center, if you will, of the Chrisitan faith. Yet, it's time (the United States) of great wealth and power shall come to an end, for we have become a nation of apostate Christians, who have fallen away from the faith. As a people, we have become fat and complacent. But, as the focus of mankind has now turned to the events unfolding in the middle east, these things must be, for the "man of evil" will soon be revealed to the world, and the world will welcome him, even bow down and worship him as God, for he shall be given the power to deceive many.

My holy Lord, Jesus Christ, the promised Messiah, when asked of the deciples, what shall be the signs of the end of days, and Jesus said, behold the fig tree, for when it is beseiged all about, then will the end come. Is it not written that God himself will fight for Israel? That it will take 7 months just to bury all the dead and seven years to destroy the weapons of war of her enemies. (Ezekiel 38 and 39). Woe unto all those who hate the Jews. For if you hate the Jewish people, you also hate my holy Lord, who was born of the seed of Abraham, of the seed of king David, for HE is also a Jew.