Well, Jay, we didn't agree about holding graduations in churches. It looks like we won't agree on what students can say or do at graduation, either.
Songs which mention God are usually called "hymns." Hymns are prayers set to music. Prayers should not be a part of a public junior high graduation ceremony. Although the facts you relate in your post about the California case are pretty sparse, it seems completely appropriate for the school to veto inclusion of a "song [that] mentions God" at the event. (Frankly, I'd prefer never to see tap dancing on general principle, but the First Amendment wouldn't allow a government body to bar such performances all together.)
Jay, let me assure you and all our commentators that I would be similarly upset about a public school graduation in a mosque or in a predominantly GLBT Metropolitan Community Church. The doctrine of this particular church is, of course, relevant because it is recognized in the community as holding views that any reasonable person could predict would make some folks extremely uncomfortable. Secular venues are available and ought to be used.
Barry, as you know, many graduation ceremonies are held in churches around the country every year. The reason for this is simple and has nothing to do with religion: the church facility, in many communities, provides the space needed to accommodate students, parents and friends for the graduation gathering.
Unfortunately, with your lawsuit in Wisconsin, you're creating a constitutional showdown that is off base. You cite that your plaintiffs are not comfortable attending the graduation ceremony in a building where they disagree with what you call the church's 'conservative viewpoints' on a host of issues. Okay. But this is a graduation ceremony - not a church service. There will be no preaching. No evangelizing. It seems to me that you and your clients don't like the theological teachings of this church. That's fine. But, that has absolutely nothing to do with using the facility to host a graduation ceremony. By holding the graduation ceremony at the church facility, the school district is not 'endorsing' any religious viewpoint.
Well, Jay, let's move from the national scene to a local one. Americans United has now filed a precedent-setting lawsuit challenging the use of a church for a public high school graduation ceremony in Wisconsin.
We had asked a number of Wisconsin schools to stop the practice of holding graduations in churches. One complied, but the Elmbrook School District did not. It wants to go on having its activities in the Elmbrook Church in early June.
This shouldn't even be a close question. The church has an enormous cross in its sanctuary (not surprising for a church) and plenty of other religious symbols throughout the building (also not surprising). The church refuses to cover up the icons of the faith, and I certainly understand that as well. What I don't understand is why the two schools involved, years ago, didn't start looking for another locus for the celebration of graduation day. Motivation should have been increased after church members distributed church literature to attendees in the lobby one year.
Barry, I really don't understand what you are talking about. Much of what President Obama is being criticized for revolves around substantive issues - not style. And, it's hardly "nitpicking" as you suggest. A lot of troubling developments have occurred...
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