Barry, I certainly want law enforcement officials to have all the tools they need to go after those who use violence to make their point – whether they open fire at the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. taking the life of a security guard, or target physicians. Law enforcement must do all it can to investigate these killers. But I just can’t believe the Department of Homeland Security’s approach of sweeping ALL pro-life supporters, or ALL military veterans together will help them identify those who intend to do harm. The idea that the DHS would define an entire class of people (those who oppose abortion and military veterans) as “right-wing extremists” was wrong when the report was leaked in April. It is still wrong today.
The fact is law enforcement has a difficult task. But, putting an entire class of people on a watch list just doesn’t make sense. I’m sure military veterans don’t want to be associated with Holocaust Museum shooting suspect, James Von Brunn, a World War II veteran who reportedly has ties to white supremacists and whose website spews anti-Semitic hate. Just as non-violent pro-life supporters don’t want to be attached to Scott Roeder, who is charged with murdering Dr. Tiller. Yes, investigators should investigate. Are Roeder’s claims of more violence real? Should Von Brunn’s background been a signal to authorities?
As I stated in my earlier post on the DHS report, there are extremists who are dangerous and the federal government should do all it can to protect us from those who break the law and commit violent and deadly crimes. But, let’s not resort to sweeping characterizations that put law-abiding citizens into the same category as these violent offenders.
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posted June 11, 2009 at 5:35 pm
The DHS report made no such sweeping generalizations of pro-life supporters or military veterans as you claim. And I know the authors of the report and know no such characterizations were intended.
posted June 11, 2009 at 6:20 pm
The report in context is talking about our violent counterparts. I am not violent and most people I know are not, therefore the report does not concern me.
I heard a Muslim demand that he be searched before boarding an airplane, because the terrorists had an overlap with him. The same with me, I am honest enough to admit that I have overlap with these terrorists. The George Tiller killer read the Bible more than I do, but I think the DHS can tell the difference as they made clear in this report. Especially since the report doesn’t talk about ALL Rightwingers anymore than the Leftwing report talks about all leftwingers. Most definition that describe Religious extremist have overlap with religious people.
posted June 11, 2009 at 9:27 pm
“I heard a Muslim demand that he be searched before boarding an airplane, because the terrorists had an overlap with him.”
An interesting statement. Mr. Sekulow, would you make the same demand out of the same reasoning?
In the days and weeks following 9/11 our government rounded up numerous law abiding citizens who happened to be of Arabic descent or of the Muslim religion. They spent days, weeks, and in a few cases months in custody, having done nothing at all.
http://www.soundvision.com/info/muslims/internment.asp
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/story-canadian-prisoner-khalid-awan-usa-9-11
Mr. Sekulow, I agree with you that we should not round up all pro-lifers just because of the actions of a handful of extremists.
Would you agree with me that the same should apply to those innocent Muslims who were rounded up in the days and weeks following 9/11?
posted June 11, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I think it’s entirely fair to put hate groups and “pro-life” groups with a history of violent rhetoric and confrontational tactics on a watch list. Even if the number of their members who resort to actual violence is relatively small, they operate by intimidation, and implied, if not open threat that “someone” might come after you personally. Moreover, none of the actual killers would do what they did unless they had a movement and culture supporting them. This support often includes weapons and money and safe houses, but in all cases involves moral support. I have heard no true condemnation of Tiller’s murder by any anti-abortion group. Even those who disavow killing say…well Tiller WAS a serial killer himself, after all….These people, and the white power types, are operating from exactly the same principles as the Taliban and Bin Laden. They should be targeted as terrorists, have all their communications and financial transactions monitored and locked away at any opportunity. We wouldn’t tolerate this kind of thing from Muslim terrorists operating from Yemen or London. Why the hell do we tolerate it from our own?
posted June 12, 2009 at 10:35 am
I think it’s entirely fair to put hate groups and “pro-life” groups with a history of violent rhetoric and confrontational tactics on a watch list.
I agree, Kenneth. It doesn’t hurt anyone to be on a watch list. Many groups don’t even realize that they are on one.
A case could certainly be made for the idea that a lot of time and resources are wasted on surveillance of peace groups and environmental groups that eschew all violence, but when there is already a history of violent rhetoric and confrontational tactics in any group, better safe than sorry!
posted June 12, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Anyone who on their web page advocates killing anyone they do not approve of, agree with or accept should not only be put on a watch list, they should be rounded up, incarcerated and tried as terrorists. This only happens if they happen to worship Allah instead of Jehovah or Jesus. If any Muslim had on their web page what the white supremacists, or those advocating that doctors should die if they provide legal abortions, they would be rounded up and sent to GITMO never to be seen or heard from again. But if they believe that Jesus is their savior they get to live to terrorize again.
posted June 12, 2009 at 5:21 pm
thank you Kenneth, i agree with your thoughts on this matter!
posted June 12, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Interesting to note that people believe that killing other people when they are being formed, is ok. They are tiny little people.
To Jessica-
I’m sorry that you feel that others who claim to be Christians have somehow given you the impression that they are terrorist.
Terrorist would be those who inflict terror. An abortionist inflicts terror and so do other religions who claim that if you don’t believe in their
God they will kill you, that would be a terrorist. My God the God of Christianity does not say if you do not believe in me kill others, it is quite the opposite. In fact he says love one another. Love is not a terrorist. God is love.
Cara
posted June 13, 2009 at 9:02 am
Anyone who on their web page advocates killing anyone they do not approve of, agree with or accept should not only be put on a watch list, they should be rounded up, incarcerated and tried as terrorists.
Well now you’re interfering with free speech, Jessica. For some reason, people in the U.S. defend the right of anyone to spew any vile thing they choose on his or her website… or on a radio talk show. At the very least, though, we should certainly watch their movements… and the movements of those who “tune in” every day.
posted June 13, 2009 at 9:05 am
My God the God of Christianity does not say if you do not believe in me kill others.
His followers do say that if someone doesn’t believe in him they will burn forever in hell though, don’t they?
posted June 14, 2009 at 7:53 am
Cara, if they’re “tiny little people”, let them carry their own tiny little protest signs.
I see little difference in the motives of the anti-choice terrorists who use violence, and those who scream and wave signs or post personal information about clinic personnel or patients in order to intimidate them. It’s all about obliterating the rights of women. All of those people should be thoroughly investigated and monitored.
posted June 14, 2009 at 12:20 pm
That is the problem Lowell, the tiny little people(posterity) are being murdered before they are given a picket sign to protest. By the way, the reason why I write these blogs is to inform the public that those are tiny little people who need to be loved just like you.
I am sorry that you find that shedding light on the subject as a threat of some sort. The ACLJ stands for life and liberty for the people. I am saying that those people that others are murdering through terror of choice, are in fact people which need a defense.
Constitution states that we the people are to provide a defense for our posterity. So if and when you find that standing up to people who murder them is a threat of some kind, I suggest to you, to reread the opening paragraph of the Constitution.
posted June 14, 2009 at 12:50 pm
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
C. Floyd/Smith
posted June 14, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Actually, Mary-Lee, the Constitution does not protect speech that advocates violence. And taking down the site could be an infringement of the right of speech but investigating people because of hate speech is not an infringement of their right to speak.
posted June 14, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Hi Dr. Sekulow,
I wholeheartedly agree with your stance that people who pose a real and grave danger to society like Mr. Roeder and Mr. Von Brunn need to be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law by law enforcement officers as well as court officials; however, to target a whole class of people without establishing the burden of proof that these people are in fact a threat to the domestic security of the United States is very much contrary to the legal presumption of innocent until proven guilty and, in essence, playing off of a hunch versus looking at concrete facts and evidence to logically conclude who the true domestic terrorists are. Furthermore, this act of civic and moral profiling is injurious and insulting to good, hardworking, law-abiding citizens who happen to take a pro-life position or who have faithfully served their country.
Although this problem certainly will not be solved by asking the question, “Will the real domestic terrorists stand up?”, a circumspect look at the evidence will go much further than making sweeping stereotypes about entire classes of people.
posted June 15, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I am certainly against the government casually classifying any overly broad group of people as terrorists, drug users or thieves, etc. It is generally very dangerous territory to start ascribing behaviors to people just because they belong to a general political group. That all changes once you have joined a very narrow group with a history of violent behaviors.
If you belong to Operation Rescue, you have joined a terrorist group and membership alone should be enough to allow a judge to issue a warrant for wire-tapping, computer seizure and ongoing surveillance. The same can be said about someone who has joined Earth Liberation Front, the extremist environmental group best know for arsonist attacks. Both groups are terrorist groups known to engage in violence and intimidation. Any member is fair game for investigation.
posted June 16, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Posterity citizens
posted June 18, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Posterity refers to actual, living outside the womb, human beings. If you want to include embryos in that definition, you step into the ridiculous bizarro land where you’ll have to start naming the miscarriages and fertilized eggs which fail to implant. I think it’s only a matter of time before you go Eric Rudolph on us. With the hate your screeds reflect, I hope you’re already on a watch list.
posted June 19, 2009 at 2:15 am
Hi Boris,
Haven’t been on in a while (don’t ask what has happened to me; joking; sort of), but there was a young college student who went undercover to Planned Parenthood, and she asked them what happens when a child survives an abortion & is born alive? Their reply was that, “Oh, then we just strangle them.” I don’t have the time to get into all the details if you don’t mind right now; however, I’ve read so many documented stories of what these people do to live babies no matter what trimester it is it is sickening. (This situation happens a lot). Oh, by the way, DHS has put Regent University on a “terror watch list” when there is absolutely NO Evidence to do such a thing. Moreover, they have been called a “breeding ground for terrorists.” DON’T THINK SO. That report from DHS (which I have a copy of & could send it to anyone here if they’d like) stated right out that there is absolutely no evidence for these____? Fill in the blank with whatever you think should apply. I would suggest that they learn something about Pro-life, or Conservative, etc. groups before they release such a report. I think a little research would be a wise thing to do before you label people who make up the majority of citizens in this country. It’s just dumb not to. By the way, I’ve heard all over the Internet that Operation Rescue is a terrorist organization. I’m not saying that they’re not, but I’ve yet to here one single case where they have done something that comes under terrorism. If those things above (publishing names, addresses etc. on the Internet) are true, then one must agree that nearly every “radical” Gay special interest PAC, are terrorists also. You won’t hear it on the news, but they have been causing riots in several parts of the country; especially after Prop 8 was passed in CA. They have also assaulted quite a few people, destroyed their businesses etc. They even do on daytime talk shows and make outright threats against this group or that group. However, NO One ever gets arrested, and they are never labeled with the term “terrorist.” If you’d like to read the report that was put out, I’ll send it to you. It’s ten pages long, but I’m sure anyone would not get bored reading it.
posted June 19, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Laura,
Regent University, better known as Pat Robertson U. is a tier 4 school and the worst law school in the country, probably in the entire world. George Bush’s administration hired about 150 flunkies from this awful school. Who cares if they’re on some kind of terror watch list? They should be. They’re a bunch of right-wing religious fanatics.