Lynn v. Sekulow

What Freedom Could Mean

Saturday July 4, 2009

Categories: American History
Jay, I like the principles of freedom in the Declaration of Independence (and the Constitution) as much as the next guy (that would be you.)  But when I hear conservatives like Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, and a host of others try to flesh out the meaning of "freedom," I have to admit that I believe they are reading documents from some other astral plane.

Here are my "Top Ten Things That Would Prove America Really Cares About Freedom":

10.  When we spend as much time teaching our kids how to defend unpopular ideas and their peers who are not like them as we do teaching them how to play soccer.

9.  When we insist that war truly is a last resort and never again allow a President to trick us into conflict with lies or false information, like the Gulf of Tonkin incident or the presence of WMDs.

8. When we acknowledge that we still have a long way to go to even claim that Americans of all races are treated equally, even when we have an African-American President.


7.  When women are allowed to make and accept responsibility for their own moral choices regarding their health and reproductive life without constraints set up by largely male legislatures often frightened by strong-willed minorities.

6. When we realize that the "founders" of America were not just Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, Madison and other white males, but all those who moved us forward in the pursuit of justice: Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Dolores Huerta and Cesar Chavez, Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon, and Chief Joseph.

5. When every child born has the promise (one way or another) of a healthy and safe life, and a we make a national commitment that all children will have money available to go as far with education as they choose.

4. When we all have the freedom to practice any religion we choose (if any) and we don't expect the government to "help" us or our ministries or missions with even one thin dime of financial support or one square inch of public space (even in the Mojave desert).

3. When we can see that people we elect to public office really do realize they "serve" us, not themselves or those with the disproportionate power of wealth, and their legislative initiatives prove it.

2. When we have a trustworthy and efficient health care system that allows us to live life to the fullest and die without bankruptcy or indignity.

1. When the Fourth of July is a day we reflect on how difficult--but essential--it is to be a free, self-governing people with liberty and justice for all.
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Boris
July 16, 2009 3:54 PM

If we have to accept porn and that sort of filth, among other filth, in the public arena, why can't they accept The Ten Commandments posted on public property?

Boris says: Because the 10 Commandments deny religious freedom and instead demand the worship of only one God in a country founded on freedom FROM religion. Plus four of the commandments have nothing to do with laws or morals but only the proper worship of an evil and non-existent desert deity. No one is forcing anyone to accept porn and calling porn filth when the Christian religion is the most evil filth ever to exist on this planet is very hypocritical.

Boris
July 16, 2009 3:58 PM

It is wrong hippy teaching to say that the majority of the founders of our nation and signers of the Constitution were deists. The majority were Christians and the written records prove so.

Boris says: 50 of the 56 signers were Freemasons. Being a Freemason meant automatic excommunication from both Protestant and Catholic churches. I'd like to see some positive proof that ANY of these 56 men were Christians. Of course I'm asking for truth from someone who is obviously a bold faces Christian liar as anyone who has read his posts can see. Name 'em and claim 'em liar. I dare you.

Mr. Incredible
July 16, 2009 6:44 PM

==I'd like to see some positive proof that ANY of these 56 men were Christians.==

You can see the positive proof by reading what they wrote.

Mr. Incredible
July 16, 2009 6:50 PM

==...the 10 Commandments deny religious freedom...==

No, They don't. You're free to reeject the Law. I just hope that you're big enough to accept the consequences without whining like a little girl, or old woman.

==... and instead demand the worship of only one God...==

He gives you the choice to worship Him.

==...in a country founded on freedom FROM religion.==

That appears nowhere in the Constitution.

The First Amendment "religion clause" acknowledges Freedom to worship. Atheists want nothing to do with that, and, therefore, it doesn't refer to them.

== Plus four of the commandments have nothing to do with laws or morals but only the proper worship of an evil and non-existent desert deity.==

Scoffers and the Devil see it that way.

== No one is forcing anyone to accept porn and calling porn filth...==

Yes, they are, by placing it everywhere people, with their kids, go.

==... when the Christian religion is the most evil filth ever to exist on this planet is very hypocritical.==

That's what the Devil says, too.

Mr. Incredible
July 16, 2009 7:01 PM

== No one is forcing anyone to accept porn ...==

No one is forcing anybody to accept The Ten Commandments.

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Lynn v. Sekulow is an ongoing debate blog--a blogalogue--about how big (or little) a role faith and religion should play in American politics and government, featuring the two leading voices of the church/state battle: American Center for Law & Justice Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow and Americans United for Separation of Church and State Executive Director Rev. Barry W. Lynn.

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