Why Did Jesus Have to Die?
Roman, Jewish, and Christian Perspectives
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by Rev. Dr. Mark D. Roberts
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Introduction
As we approach the season of Lent, and then Holy Week and Easter, I propose to consider the question: “Why did Jesus have to die?” At the outset, I must say that this isn’t an easy question to answer for several reasons. Let me mention three.
First, when it comes to the death of Jesus, we’re dealing with an historical event concerning which we have limited historical sources. We don’t have some of the sources that would make our task much easier, the diary of Pontius Pilate, for example, or notes from the proceedings of the Jewish council that examined Jesus prior to his crucifixion. Therefore, when I try to explain why Pilate or certain Jewish leaders believed that Jesus had to die, I’ll have to extrapolate from the evidence that is available to us. I do believe, however, that this evidence, both in the New Testament Gospels and in other ancient sources, is strong enough to allow us to formulate likely hypotheses concerning Roman and Jewish motivations for the crucifixion of Jesus.
Second, the question of why Jesus was put to death is a matter of considerable scholarly disagreement. For centuries it was common to put all the blame on “the Jews.” But the horror of the Holocaust combined with new historical insights has led scholars in almost completely the opposite direction. Many claim that “the Jews,” even Jewish leaders, had little or nothing to do with the death of Jesus. In my opinion, as you’ll see, the pendulum that had once swung way too far in the direction of “the Jews” has now swung too far back in the opposite “Romans only” direction. I’ll have more to say about this later.
I should add at this point that I am aware of the shameful history of anti-Semitism and the danger of anti-Semitism that is very much alive today. This does make it tricky to deal with the historical evidence in a straightforward way, because if one concludes that some Jews were somewhat responsible for the death of Jesus, this might fuel anti-Semitic attitudes and actions. So, I will say at the outset that nothing in the historical record justifies hatred of or mistreat of Jews, or any other people, for that matter.
Third, there is not one, simple, obvious answer to the question of why Jesus had to die. From a historical point of view, we have to deal with at least two perspectives, Roman and Jewish. In fact, I’ll show that there was more than one Jewish point of view on Jesus’ death. So it is really too simple to speak of “the Jewish perspective” on the necessity of Jesus’ death.
Furthermore, historical explanation doesn’t exhaust the realm of discourse when it comes to the reason for Jesus’ death. We also need to deal with the whole area of theology. We’ll want to know why, in light of his understanding of God, Jesus himself believed that he needed to die. Moreover, we must also examine early Christian thinking concerning why Jesus’ death was necessary for the salvation of the world. In the end, therefore, the answer to the simple question “Why did Jesus have to die?” will be anything but simple. It will have multiple layers and nuances.
Nevertheless, this is a task well worth the effort, both in the writing and in the reading. No matter what you think about Jesus, you will help yourself and your world if you’re able to discuss his death intelligently. This is especially true given the tendency of this conversation to become terribly anti-Semitic. In a world where hatred of Jews is on the increase, all thoughtful, compassionate human beings need to be informed about just who was responsible for the death of Jesus and why.
Finally, if, like me, you believe that the crucifixion of Jesus stands at the very center of history, then knowing why Jesus had to die is just about the most important bit of knowledge you can have.
In my next post I’ll lay out some basic parameters for the rest of this series: how I’m going to structure the series and some of the foundational facts upon which I’ll build the structure.
Where Do We Start When Considering the Death of Jesus? Some Basic Facts
Where should we start in our effort to discover why Jesus had to die? I propose to begin with some basic historical facts, facts that are affirmed by almost every historian and biblical scholar, even those who approach this question from a highly critical and skeptical starting point. So what are these facts:
Jesus was crucified. There were many ways in the first-century for a criminal to be put to death, including stoning, beheading, being torn apart by beasts, etc. Yet all the earliest sources attest to the crucifixion of Jesus. These sources include, in addition to the New Testament writings, the Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities 18.3.3, A.D. 95) and the Roman historian Tacitus (Annals 15.44, A.D. 109)(Photo: Painting by El Greco, “The Crucifixion,” 1596-1600)Jesus was crucified during the governorship and under the authority of Pontius Pilate. Once again, this basic fact is confirmed in Josephus and Tacitus in addition to the New Testament.
Pilate placed a sign on Jesus’ cross that read “The King of the Jews.” This fact is found in all four New Testament Gospels and in some later non-canonical gospels as well. This “title” helps to explain the nature of the charges against Jesus.
Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem on or near the Jewish feast of Passover. Again, all New Testament Gospels agree on these basic facts, and there is every reason to believe that they are accurate (though the precise timing of Jesus’ death in relationship to Passover is hard to pin down).
These basic facts, though apparently obvious and unspectacular, will actually prove to be very helpful as we try to figure out the reasons for Jesus’ death.
As I mentioned in my previous post, the question “Why did Jesus have to die?” doesn’t have a simple answer. I propose to address this question from four different perspectives:
• Roman: Why did Pontius Pilate think Jesus had to die?• Jewish: Why did some Jewish leaders think Jesus had to die?
• Jesus: Why did Jesus himself think that he had to die?
• Early Christian: Why did early Christians think Jesus had to die?
In my next post I’ll begin with the Roman perspective.
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The fact that Jesus was crucified rather than stoned, hanged, or killed in some other way means that the Romans were ultimately responsible for his death. Of course this is clear in the biblical gospels. But even if we lacked such primary sources, the simple fact that a man was crucified in Jerusalem around A.D. 30 implies that, for some reason or other, he was condemned by Roman authorities. Jews in the first-century A.D. didn’t crucify people. This horrible means of execution was the prerogative of the Romans, who used it with chilling effect.
The Roman Practice of Crucifixion
If we want to know why a Roman authority, in this case, the prefect Pontius Pilate, would choose to crucify someone, we might look first at the Roman practice of crucifixion in general. Although Rome didn’t invent this means of execution, the nation perfected it as one of the most horrible means of putting criminals to death. In fact, not all Roman convicts sentenced to death were crucified. Crucifixion was reserved for the lowest of the low, and most of all for those who openly opposed Roman power. Commit a serious crime and Rome might cut off your head; rebel against Roman rule or upset Roman peace and you might be headed to a cross. I say “might be” because Roman citizens were protected from crucifixion, unless they happened to be treasonous soldiers. (Photo: The Via Appia in Rome. When the slave Spartacus led a rebellion against Rome in 73-71 B.C., the Romans finally prevailed. They crucified 6,000 men, stringing them along the Via Appia for 120 miles, from Rome to Capua.)
Why was crucifixion so horrible? For one thing, the victim experienced some of the most extreme pain that a person can experience and the duration of suffering often lasted several days. But, even beyond personal suffering, the crucified person experienced extreme shame in a world that valued honor supremely. Contrary to most portrayals of Jesus’ death, those sentenced to crucifixion were naked when attached to the cross, in full view of the masses.
The Romans made every effort to crucify people in public places, such as along major thoroughfares. The point was to augment the dishonor and suffering of the one being killed, not to mention his family and colleagues. (It seems, by the way, that the Romans did not crucify women.) As the Roman rhetorician Quintilian explained, “Whenever we crucify the guilty, the most crowded roads are chosen, where most people can see and be moved by this fear. For penalties relate not so much to retribution as to their exemplary effect” (Quintilian, Declamations 274). Thus the point of crucifixion was not only punishment, but also deterrence.
Not surprisingly, the Romans crucified Jews when they rebelled against imperial rule. I’ll examine a couple of telling instances in my next post.
In my last post I began to examine the Roman practice of crucifixion, arguing that if we want to understand why a Roman governor had Jesus crucified, we should first understand why Rome used crucifixion in general. What we discovered was that crucifixion, in addition to being an extremely horrific punishment of criminals, was thought to be an effective deterrent against sedition. “Watch someone get crucified for challenging our authority,” the Romans believed, “and you’ll be unlikely to challenge our authority yourself.” If you’ve seen The Passion of the Christ, you can certainly understand Roman logic here. Crucifixion was cruel beyond cruel.
Roman Crucifixion Among the Jews
Even the threat of crucifixion didn’t completely squelch attempts to overthrow Roman rule, however, least of all among the Jews. Shortly after the death of Herod the Great in 4 B.C., thousands of Jews sought to toss the Romans out of Judea. Of course the Romans didn’t take kindly to this, sending an army to squash the rebellion. When the rebels fled into the country, the Roman general Varus pursued them. The first-century Jewish historian Josephus describes what happened next:
Upon this, Varus sent a part of his army into the country, to seek out those that had been the authors of the revolt; and when they were discovered, he punished some of them that were most guilty, and some he dismissed: now the number of those that were crucified on this account were two thousand. (Antiquities 17.10.10)
Two thousand rebels crucified at one time! Now that would surely give restless Jews second thoughts before challenging Roman tyranny again. (Photo: The Arch of Titus in Rome, which celebrates the Roman victory over the Jews in A.D. 70.)
Seven decades later, thousands upon thousands of Jews revolted against Roman rule. For a short time they appeared to have prevailed. But, once again, Rome sent a superior military force to Judea. Soon the Jews were trapped in Jerusalem, surrounded by the Roman army besieging the city. Recognizing their hopeless condition, some Jews actually tried to escape, but to no avail. According to Josephus, when they were caught, “they were first whipped, and then tormented with all sorts of tortures before they died, and were then crucified before the wall of the city” (Jewish War, 5.11.1). This happened to at least 500 people daily, according to Josephus. So disgusting was the mass torture of Jewish prisoners that even the Roman General Titus felt pity on them. But he let the brutality continue. Why? Josephus explains: “The main reason why he did not forbid that cruelty was this, that he hoped the Jews might perhaps yield at that sight, out of fear lest they might themselves afterwards be liable to the same cruel treatment” (Jewish War, 5.11.1).
To conclude what we have learned about Romans and crucifixion, Rome reserved crucifixion for the worst of criminals, especially for those who stirred up rebellion against the state. Because the point of crucifixion, beyond punishment, was deterrence, crosses were placed in public places so people would learn to fear the wrath of Rome. When Jews challenged Roman authority, they, like others rebels against Rome, were crucified if caught.
But is this relevant of the case of Jesus? Did Jesus challenge Roman authority such that Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea in the time of Jesus, believed he must be crucified? Does what we have learned about Roman crucifixion help to explain Jesus’ own death? To these questions I’ll turn in my next post.
Introduction to Pontius Pilate
If we’re going to understand the Roman perspective on the death of Jesus, we need to know something of the Roman man who was legally responsible for his crucifixion: Pontius Pilate. Traditionally, Pilate has been seen by Christians in relatively positive terms, as one who really didn’t want to crucify Jesus but who did so because he was compelled to by the Jewish leaders and crowds. This image of Pilate, that seems to emerge from the New Testament gospels, doesn’t fit with what we know about Pontius Pilate from historical sources, including the gospels themselves. Let me survey this evidence briefly.
Pontius Pilate was the governor of Judea from 26-37 A.D. An inscription discovered in the ruins of a Roman theater in Caesarea reveals that Pilate’s official Roman title was “prefect” (Latin, praefectus). In this role he was ultimately responsible for all matters in Judea, including judicial and financial affairs. Pilate governed from the provincial capital of Judea, Caesarea (Maratima), a city on the Mediterranean coast, about 75 miles northwest of Jerusalem. He would make the trip to Jerusalem only when necessary. Pilate was accountable to the governor of Syria, through whom he was ultimately subservient to the Roman Emperor. (Photo: This inscription identifies Pontius Pilate as the [Praef]ectus Iuda[eae]).
Pilate does not figure prominently in first-century Roman histories, a fact that suggests that he was a relatively insignificant leader. Moreover, the assignment to govern Judea was no plum, and some of those who served in Pilate’s position were known to complain about it. Not only was it potentially a dead-end job, but also it was fraught with complications.
The complications had largely to do with what the Romans would see as the peculiarities and propensities of the Jews. The peculiarities were, by and large, Jewish religious sensibilities that put them at odds with Roman norms. Jews, for example, did not follow the Roman model in welcoming all sorts of gods into their pantheon. On the contrary, Jews would die for their belief in one and only one God. Jewish propensities had to do with general unrest and fairly regular attempts by some Jews to rebel against Roman rule. When one became prefect of Judea, one could expect trouble.
Pilate’s inability (or unwillingness) to respect Jewish sensibilities is seen in an event recorded by the Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities 18.3.1). Unlike previous governors, when Pilate took charge, he brought images of Caesar into Jerusalem in order to display them. This enraged the Jewish population, who took this as a violation of their law and as an insult. Multitudes of people traveled to Caesarea in order to ask Pilate to remove the images. At first he refused and, when the petitioners persisted, he was prepared to kill them. But when they showed themselves willing to die rather than have their laws violated, Pilate finally relented. In another instance when he offended Jewish sensibilities, Pilate did not show mercy, and those who protested were slaughtered by soldiers under Pilate’s command (Antiquities, 18.3.2).
The New Testament actually confirms this picture of a cruel Pilate. In Luke 13:1 we read, “At that very time there were some present who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices.” We don’t know anything else about this incident. But it appears that, for some reason, Pilate killed some Galileans who had come to the Jerusalem temple in order to offer sacrifices to God. Yet, not only did Pilate have them killed, he also had their own blood mingled with the blood of the animals they had sacrificed. Talk about adding insult to injury!
The first-century Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria once wrote a letter to Caesar, in which, among other things, he complained about the harshness of Pontius Pilate. Philo blames Pilate explicitly for: “briberies, insults, robberies, outrages, wanton injustices, constantly repeated executions without trial, and ceaseless and grievous cruelty.” (Legatio ad Gaium, 301-302). Even granting Philo’s bias against Pilate, this text doesn’t reflect well upon Pilate’s governorship. In the end, he was removed from office by the Syrian governor, Vitellius, though we don’t know exactly why.
But what about the image of Pilate as the reflective leader who is reticent to kill Jesus, and who even converses with Jesus about the nature of truth? I’ll address this picture in greater detail later. But for now, I’d simply observe that the gospel accounts of Jesus’ trial can be read as confirming the negative image of Pilate.
Pilate’s ultimate responsibility was to oversee Judean affairs, to squash outright rebellion, to keep the tax money flowing to Rome, and, in general, to preserve the fragile peace of the region. And it is this, which, above all, seemed to be at risk when Jesus came to Jerusalem around the feast of Passover. In my next post in this series I’ll examine the peculiar dynamics of Jerusalem in the time of the festival.
The Roman Perspective, Part 4
As I explained in my last post, Pontius Pilate, the prefect of Judea during the time of Jesus, governed his territory from Caesarea, a city on the Mediterranean sea about 75 miles northwest of Jerusalem. Immediate authority over Jerusalem itself he had delegated to Caiaphas, whom Pilate had appointed high priest of the Jewish temple.
Pilate and the Danger of Passover
But, each year during his tenure in Judea, Pilate journeyed to Jerusalem in the spring. He wanted to be in this city during the Jewish celebration of Passover. It’s not that he had any fondness for the Jews and their rituals. Rather, Pilate needed to be in Jerusalem at this time to preserve order. He didn’t trust Caiaphas with such an important task at such a volatile time.
The Passover was, after all, a festival in which Jews remembered how God had delivered them from foreign domination. During the celebration of the Passover meal they not only thanked God for his deliverance in the past, but also prayed for him to do so again. Thus the Passover itself could easily inspire anti-Roman feelings, if not outright rebellion.
Moreover, the population of Jerusalem swelled greatly during the festival. Though it’s difficult to determine precisely the population of Jerusalem during the time of Roman rule, 35,000 wouldn’t be too far off base. During the Passover, however, this number swelled by a figure of ten or more. Josephus reports that 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 people gathered in the city for the festival (Jewish War, 2.14.3, 6.9.3). While most scholars believe that Josephus exaggerated, his estimates testify to the large number of pilgrims who came to Jerusalem for Passover. A more conservative estimate would be in the 300,000-400,000 range. Pilate knew that crowds of Jews jammed together in a small area was a formula for disaster. (Photo: A picture of a crowd in Jerusalem, gathered by the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in 1989.)
Given the themes of Passover and the massive temporary population of Jerusalem, it’s easy to see why Pilate felt it necessary to come to the city and why he would have done so with trepidation. Pilate was well aware of the fact that Jerusalem was a powder keg ready to blow during Passover. In fact, Josephus, talking about an earlier ruler who had tyrannized the Jews, mentions that “the nation of the Jews made an insurrection against him at a festival; for at those feasts seditions are generally begun” (Jewish War, 1.4.3, emphasis added).
Pilate didn’t come to Jerusalem unprepared. To help keep the peace, he brought with him a few thousand Roman soldiers from Syria. But, even then, the odds would not be in his favor if the Jews decided to stir up rebellion, since the soldiers were outnumbered by a factor of at least one hundred to one.
Given the tenuous peace of Jerusalem, Pilate must have been greatly distressed by early reports about Jesus’ actions in Jerusalem. This popular prophet from Nazareth had been welcomed into the city by a crowd of his followers who hailed him as a conquering king. Then, Jesus created a ruckus in the Jewish temple, even prohibiting sacrifices from being offered for several hours. So, while Pilate might have smirked to think of the distress this had given Caiaphas, nevertheless he’d be worried. What was Jesus’ agenda? What had he come to Jerusalem to do? Was he seditious? Was he fomenting rebellion against Rome? Pilate’s initial strategy was to watch and wait. Maybe, just maybe, he’d be lucky, and the Passover would conclude without incident. Then Jesus would go back to Galilee where he came from, and Pilate would return to Caesarea, where he could govern Judea a safe distance away from the time bomb of Jerusalem.
Pilate’s hopes for an uneventful Passover were dashed when, early on Friday morning, the problem posed by Jesus of Nazareth exploded in his face. In my next post, I’ll examine more closely Pilate’s interaction with Jesus and his accusers.
In my last two posts in this series on the death of Jesus, I offered a picture of Pontius Pilate and described the unique dangers he faced in Jerusalem during the Jewish celebration of Passover. In light of this background, today I’ll examine the biblical account of Pilate’s interaction with Jewish leaders.
Pilate’s Encounter with Jesus and the Jewish Leaders
Early on Friday morning, after Jesus of Nazareth had entered Jerusalem, Pontius Pilate was awakened by a group of Jewish leaders who had brought Jesus to him with the intention of having Jesus crucified. They accused Jesus of “perverting our nation, forbidding us to pay taxes to the emperor, and saying that he himself is the Messiah, a king” (Luke 23:2). When Pilate questioned Jesus, the accused was strangely quiet. Finally the governor cut to the chase. “Are you the king of the Jews?” he asked. “You say so,” was all Jesus said in reply (Luke 23:3). When Pilate mentioned to the Jewish leaders that their charges against Jesus weren’t persuasive, they added, “He stirs up the people by teaching throughout all Judea, from Galilee where he began even to this place” (Luke 23:5). It’s likely that this was not news to Pilate, who had probably been following the unusual exploits of Jesus for some time. Roman governors kept an eye out for Jewish prophets who announced the coming of God’s kingdom. (Photo: Mihály Munkácsy, Christ in front of Pilate, 1881.)
Once the Jewish leaders had brought Jesus to Pilate, the question of his fate lay in the governor’s hands. Certainly he could follow the recommendation of the leaders, including the high priest, Caiaphas, whom he had appointed. But killing Jesus had a considerable downside. Pilate was surely aware of Jesus’ popularity among the people. He might even have known before Friday that the Jewish leaders were trying to do away with Jesus, but were reticent to do so because he was so popular with the people. Killing Jesus might well have incited the people to riot (Mark 14:2), something neither the Jewish officials nor Pilate would have wanted. If Pilate were perceived by the people as the one responsible for the death of their popular prophet, then he might end up causing a ruckus or even a revolt that could very well lead to his own downfall.
Yet Pilate would surely have preferred to get Jesus out of the way somehow. Though he was not seditious in the ordinary sense – Jesus carried no weapons, organized no army, and had not assaulted any Roman authorities – nevertheless the Nazarene was clearly a rabble-rouser from Pilate’s point of view. And even if he didn’t explicitly espouse the overthrow of Rome, he certainly flirted with the seditious language of kingship.
Two other factors contributed to Pilate’s reticence to execute Jesus. First, his interaction with Jesus convinced him that the Galilean was no ordinary insurrectionist. It’s hard to reconstruct from the Gospel accounts exactly what Pilate thought of Jesus. If he truly believed him to be innocent and no threat to Rome, then it’s unlikely that he would have had Jesus crucified. But, Pilate must have seen that Jesus was in a completely different league from the others he had crucified. (Of course I’m aware that Christian tradition paints Pilate as a truth-seeker who genuinely believes in Jesus’ innocence. But this image doesn’t fit what we know about Pilate from history, not to mention the indisputable fact that Pilate himself was, in the end, responsible for Jesus’ death. It’s very hard to imagine that Pilate was bullied, either by Jewish leaders or by the mob, into doing something that he really didn’t want to do. I believe that many of the statements in the gospels that seem to reflect the “noble Pilate” were in fact originally spoken by the governor in order to incite the Jews to accept greater responsibility for Jesus’ death, thus exonerating Pilate in the eyes of the people. Or, in other cases, I believe Pilate’s tone was ironic or sarcastic. When he asked Jesus, “What is truth?” Pilate wasn’t beginning a philosophical dialogue, but simply mocking Jesus, who had just spoken of “belonging to the truth” (John 18:37-38).
The second factor that contributed to Pilate’s reticence to execute Jesus was a recommendation from his wife that he should “have nothing to do with” Jesus. Pilate’s wife claimed to have “suffered a great deal because of a dream about him” (Matthew 27:19). Pilate, like most pagans, was in all likelihood quite superstitious, and his wife’s nightmare would have spooked him as well.
From Pilate’s perspective, what would have been the best outcome of this whole mess? Somehow get Jesus to stop causing trouble, but without inciting the people to riot. If silencing Jesus required his death, then so be it, but let it be someone else’s fault other than Pilate’s. If Jesus could be shut down by some other means – like flogging – then this would also be an acceptable option.
In my next post I’ll finish explaining the necessity of Jesus’ death from the Roman perspective of Pontius Pilate.
The Roman Perspective, Part 6
In my last post I began to describe Pontius Pilate’s predicament on the Friday morning after Jesus had entered Jerusalem. The problematic prophet had been brought to Pilate by several Jewish leaders who demanded that he be crucified. But, for reasons I outlined previously, Pilate was reticent. Most of all, he didn’t want to incite the crowds who had gathered in Jerusalem for Passover. Silencing Jesus was a fine idea, but, from Pilate’s perspective, it had to be done in a why that protected him from the wrath of the Jewish people.
Pilate’s Decision to Have Jesus Crucified
Pilate tried passing the buck. He told the Jewish leaders to judge Jesus themselves, but they averred that they couldn’t execute him (John 18:31-32). He said, perhaps sarcastically, that they should go ahead and crucify him themselves (John 19:6-7), even though Pilate knew that crucifixion was legal only under Roman authority. At one point during the “trial” of Jesus, Pilate tried to pass the buck to Herod Antipas, who, as Tetrarch over Galilee, had the legal right to put Jesus to death. But Herod didn’t grab the bait. Instead, he used his meeting with Jesus as an occasion to mock him (Luke 23:6-12). (Photo: Nicolaes Maes, “Christ Before Pilate,” c. 1670.)
When the responsibility for Jesus’ fate fell back upon Pilate’s shoulders, he preferred to take the course of least resistance: have Jesus flogged, which would surely silence him for a while, and which, Pilate hoped, would keep the people from going on a rampage. But many of the Jewish leaders, combined with a mob that gathered outside of Pilate’s headquarters, pressed for Jesus’ crucifixion. Three factors seemed to have persuaded Pilate that executing Jesus was the best course of action. First, his reticence to kill Jesus appeared to put his loyalty to the emperor in doubt (John 19:12). Even the slightest appearance of imperial disloyalty could have terminal implications for Pilate. Second, the Jews who had gathered in his courtyard, although a tiny percentage of the current population of Jerusalem, were fervent enough in their desire for Jesus’ death that Pilate believed he could convincingly lay the blame on them. Third, his reticence to crucify Jesus was itself starting to cause a riot, which was the very thing Pilate was attempting to avoid by not executing Jesus (Matt 27:24). So his primary motivation for keeping Jesus alive – maintenance of order – was no longer valid. Jesus had to die.
In sentencing Jesus to death, Pilate revealed himself to be devious, if not spineless. He sent Jesus to the cross. The responsibility for this decision was his – at least from a legal-historical point of view. Yet when announcing Jesus’ fate, Pilate tried to avoid taking responsibility for his action. Symbolically washing his hands in front of the crowd, he said, “I am innocent of this man’s blood” (Matthew 27:24). Of course this wasn’t true. No matter now much others might have urged Pilate to take Jesus’ life, in the end, he and he alone had the authority to make that fateful decision.
The fact that Pilate had Jesus crucified strongly suggests that he saw Jesus as a threat to Roman order. Though not your ordinary brigand or revolutionary, Jesus proclaimed the kingdom of God (not Caesar) and accepted adulation as a messianic (kingly) figure. Moreover, even if his answers to Pilate were minimal, Jesus didn’t reject the charge that he claimed to be king of the Jews. So, even though Jesus wasn’t your run-of-the-mill Zealot, he was still the sort of person who was dangerous to Rome, and was therefore worthy of death, at least from the Roman point of view.
Pilate’s legal justification for crucifying Jesus appeared on the sign attached to Jesus’ cross: “The King of the Jews.” The wording and placement of this sign tells us much about Pilate’s ultimate motivation for killing Jesus. On the one hand, Jesus was being crucified because he dared to make a claim to kingship. On the other, by identifying the crucified Jesus as “King of the Jews,” Pilate was mocking Jesus, the Jewish people, and their kingdom aspirations – all in one ironic statement. In a manner consistent with what we know about Pilate from other sources, he was saying, “Here you go, you Jews. Here is your king – beaten to a pulp, powerless, a victim of superior Roman power.” Furthermore, by crucifying Jesus, Pilate also held him up as a persuasive deterrent: “Next time you think about having someone other than Caesar as your king, remember the crucifixion of Jesus, the King of the Jews.”
Why Did Jesus Have to Die? The Roman Perspective: Conclusion
From a Roman perspective, why did Jesus have to die?
• Because he disturbed Roman order.
• Because he spoke seditiously of a coming kingdom other than that of Caesar.
• Because he allowed himself to be called “King of the Jews.”
• Because he made a nuisance of himself at the wrong time (Passover), in the wrong
place (Jerusalem), in the presence of the wrong people (Pilate and the temple
leadership under his command).
• Because his crucifixion would be a powerful deterrent that might keep other Jews from
following in his footsteps.
In my next post I’ll begin to look at the death of Jesus from one Jewish perspective.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 1
Placing This Conversation in Context
Before I proceed to discuss one Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death, I must say a bit about the contemporary context for this conversation. For centuries, many Christians hated Jews. Part of the Christians’ justification for their hatred was their belief that “the Jews killed Christ.” Even though Jesus himself had called his followers to love their enemies, somehow the belief that “the Jews killed Christ” justified a very un-Christ-like hatred of all Jews. This sort of twisted reasoning contributed to the unspeakable horror of the Holocaust, in which over six million Jews were murdered by the Nazis.
The ugly history of anti-Semitism makes it difficult to talk objectively about Jewish involvement in the death of Jesus. If one suggests that some Jews were in some way responsible for Jesus’ death, this person runs the risk of being labeled anti-Semitic. When I was in graduate school, I was encouraged to ask all sorts of creative and critical questions about early Christian history. But when it came to the death of Jesus, there was an unspoken rule that prohibited even discussing the possibility of some Jewish responsibility for the death of Jesus. The party line was that the Romans killed Jesus for their own reasons and that the early Christians made up the parts of the passion narrative that implicate Jews. The Christians did so, we were told, partly because they weren’t getting along with Jews during the latter half of the first-century A.D., and partly because they wanted to improve their relationship with the Roman Empire. This theory – filled with more holes than Swiss cheese – was something my colleagues and I were not welcome to examine critically. It was simply off limits. The painful history of anti-Semitism required that the history of early Christianity be told in a certain way, whether it actually happened that way or not. (Photo: Anti-Semitic graffiti in Lithuania in 2005.)
Therefore, before I discuss Jewish involvement in the death of Jesus, I must say three things quite clearly:
1. Anti-Semitism is wrong. From a Christian perspective, it is a sin. No matter who was actually responsible for the death of Jesus, there is no excuse for anti-Semitism. It’s something that Christians and all sensible people should oppose.
2. Even if “the Jews” were completely responsible for Jesus’ death (which I’ve already shown to be false, given the involvement of Pontius Pilate), this would in no way justify anti-Semitism today.
3. Even if a Christian considered “the Jews” to be his or her enemies, that Christian would be compelled by the very words of Jesus to love the Jews, not to hate them.
4. Anti-Semitism is alive and well today (or, alive and sick, perhaps). All moral people, including Christians, should reject and oppose it. Anti-Semitism is morally wrong, unjustifiable, and unchristian.
As you can infer from this introduction, I am going to argue that some Jews were involved in the crucifixion of Jesus, and that they believed that Jesus had to die. But, I think it’s historically incorrect to speak of “The Jewish Perspective” on the necessity of Jesus’ death. If we wish to be accurate, we must talk in terms of “One Jewish Perspective” on the question: “Why did Jesus have to die?” I’ll explain what I mean in my next post.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 2
Why “One” Jewish Perspective?
As a young Christian, I had a clear picture of what happened to Jesus in the last week of his life. This picture resulted from my knowledge of the Gospels, and, to a great extent, from images I had seen in Sunday School booklets and filmstrips. My mind had been impressed with scenes of Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, of his “trial” before Pilate, and of his being assaulted by Jewish leaders. These images led me to believe that Jerusalem in the time of Jesus was a relatively small town inhabited by a relatively small number of Jews, and that the same Jews who had welcomed Jesus into town as a king on Sunday had turned against him on Friday. From my juvenile viewpoint, “the Jews” of Jerusalem had, as a single group, both hailed Jesus and then condemned him. Since only a few close disciples supported Jesus until the bitter end, it would have seemed appropriate to me to speak of “the” Jewish perspective on why Jesus had to die. (Photo: Jesus on Palm Sunday in a classic film version of his life. For the other side of the story, check out this video from Vintage 21 Church.)
I no longer believe that my youthful picture of Jesus’ last week was historically accurate, though I do believe that the New Testament Gospels provide historically reliable viewpoints on what really happened that week. For one thing, the actual scale of life in Jerusalem was far greater than anything I had imagined. As I explained earlier in this series, it’s likely that the normal population of Jerusalem in the time of Jesus was around 35,000. But during the festival of Passover the population swelled to eight or ten times that number, perhaps even more.
This means, among other things, that a tiny percentage of the overall population of Jerusalem actually welcomed Jesus into the city on Palm Sunday or called for his crucifixion early on Good Friday. Since scholars cannot agree on the precise location of Pilate’s headquarters, we cannot say definitively how many people might have gathered in his courtyard to call for Jesus’ death. This number is probably less than 500, possibly quite a bit less. What this means, therefore, is that something like .2% of the Jews in Jerusalem were demonstrably eager to have Jesus crucified.
But, one might object, perhaps this tiny percentage represented the majority. This objection is unlikely for three reasons:
First, we know from the Gospels that Jesus was, for the most part, very popular among the masses (for example, Matt 4:25; 8:1; 9:8; 12:15; 13:2; 14:14; 15:30; 20:29; 21:8).Second, we also know that the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem who wanted to have Jesus killed hesitated precisely because Jesus was so popular among the masses there (Matt 21:46). Nothing in the Gospel records suggests that this popularity ended magically by Good Friday.
Third, in fact the Gospel records suggest that large numbers of Jews were deeply distressed by the death of Jesus. For example, as Jesus was walking along the Via Dolorosa, Luke tells us that “A great number of the people followed him, and among them were women who were beating their breasts and wailing for him” (Luke 23:27). Then, after Jesus was crucified, the crowds who “saw what had taken place, . . . returned home, beating their breasts” (Luke 24:48). In other words, vast numbers of Jews were horrified by the death of Jesus.
Thus it’s historically accurate to speak, not of “the” Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death, but of several diverse Jewish perspectives. It’s quite likely that the majority of Jews in Jerusalem did not want Jesus killed at all. But the perspective that had greatest impact on the fate of Jesus was that of Caiaphas and other principal leaders of Jerusalem. This is the “one” perspective I’ll begin to examine in my next post.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 3
The Perspective of Jewish Leaders in Jerusalem
Although the majority of Jews in Jerusalem may not have wanted Jesus to die, or may have had no opinion either way, some of the most influential Jews did see Jesus’ death as necessary. All four New Testament Gospels testify to the key role of the “chief priests” and other Jewish leaders in the effort to have Jesus crucified. The chief priests included the high priest Caiaphas, who was appointed by Pilate, and other priests who provided leadership, not only for the temple, but also for all religious and civic affairs in Jerusalem. Some other learned and powerful Jewish leaders joined with the chief priests in the effort to silence Jesus once and for all.
Although not providing specific names or titles, the first-century Jewish historian Josephus concurs with what we find in the New Testament. In his Jewish Antiquities, Josephus devotes a short section to the antics of Pontius Pilate. In this context the historian writes that Pilate, “at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us,” had Jesus “condemned to the cross” (Antiquities 18.3.3). Unfortunately Josephus does not explain why these “principal men,” presumably the chief priests and other leaders, had it in for Jesus.
Why did leading Jews in Jerusalem believe it was necessary for Jesus to die? Part of the answer to this question comes from the Gospel of John, in a scene where a group of Jewish leaders was debating the problem of Jesus’ problematic popularity. “If we let him go on like this,” they said, “everyone will believe in him, and the Romans will come and destroy both our holy place and our nation” (John 11:48). Jesus was stirring up the people with his message of God’s kingdom and with his mighty deeds, and he wasn’t the first to walk down this perilous road. Others had done so before him and the result hadn’t been good for the Jews. Inevitably the Romans swept into Judea with their armies, slaughtering some, crucifying others, and taking still others into slavery. They had no hesitation about destroying an entire city if only some its residents had challenged Roman authority. So it would be logical for Jewish leaders to fear that Jesus might indeed bring down Roman wrath upon both the temple and the nation. (Photo: The ruins of a theatre in Sepphoris in Galilee. Shortly after Jesus was born, a man named Judas led a makeshift militia in a successful assault against the royal palace. Of course Rome didn’t wink at Judas and his gang. Ultimately the Roman army recaptured Sepphoris, taking all of its residents as slaves and burning the city to the ground. (See my book Jesus Revealed, p. 104)

Ruins of the coliseum at Sepphoris
In the midst of this debate about the problem of Jesus, John records the counsel of the high priest, Caiaphas: “You know nothing at all! You do not understand that it is better for you to have one man die for the people than to have the whole nation destroyed” (John 11:50). Since Caiaphas did not believe that Jesus fit the job description of God’s messiah, and since he shared with his colleagues the fear of Roman reprisals against the Jews, his argument made sense. Better that Jesus should die than the whole nation be destroyed.
When Caiaphas and his cohort finally captured Jesus and brought him to Pilate so that he might be crucified, their accusations touched upon several ways he was endangering the Jewish people. “We found this man perverting our nation,” they said, “forbidding us to pay taxes to the emperor, and saying that he himself is the Messiah, a king” (Luke 23:2). When Pilate was underwhelmed, they added, “He stirs up the people by teaching throughout all Judea, from Galilee where he began even to this place” (Luke 23:5). In other words, Jesus was both undermining orderly Roman rule (forbidding taxes, claiming to be king, stirring up the people) and seducing the Jewish people to abandon their religious commitments (keeping the Sabbath, offering sacrifices in the temple, separating themselves from “sinners”).
Although we Christians may want to argue that these accusations were false, it’s easy to see how, from the perspective of the Jewish leaders, they appeared to be true, dangerously true. Moreover, we find in Jewish sources basic confirmation of what Luke puts upon the lips of the leaders. In the Babylonian Talmud (a fifth-century collection of earlier Jewish oral traditions), we read the following:
There is a tradition: They hanged Yeshu on the Sabbath of the Passover. But for forty days before that a herald went in front of him (crying), “Yeshu is to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and seduced Israel and led them astray from God”. (b. Sanhedrin 43a)
Although the details don’t fit perfectly with the New Testament accounts, the charges against Jesus confirm what we have already seen. Jesus was said to “practice sorcery,” which is how his miracles would have appeared to his opponents, and which explains his ability to arouse the people. He also “seduced Israel and led them astray from God.” How similar this is to the charges in Luke 23, where Jesus was said to have perverted the nation and stirred up the people.
The concerns of Jewish leaders and their desire to get rid of him would probably not have come to fruition except for something Jesus did to provoke their concerted effort to have him crucified. I’ll examine this action in my next post.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 4
The “Crime” of Jesus
My last post in this series focused on the reasons why some Jewish leaders in Jerusalem believed that it was necessary for Jesus to die. The bottom line? He was a threat to their conception of faith and national life, indeed, to the very existence of the Jewish people. If left unchecked, Jesus would either pervert the Jewish nation with his peculiar notions of the kingdom of God, or he would bring down the wrath of Rome upon Judea, leading to its destruction. Either way, Jesus needed to be taken out of the game – permanently.
The concerns of the Jewish leaders, however pressing they might have been, would probably not have been enough to bring about Jesus’ execution except for something Jesus himself did, something shocking, unexpected, and utterly unacceptable from the perspective of the Jewish leaders. I’m speaking of his activity in the temple, that which Christians call “the cleansing of the temple.” Here’s Mark’s account of this scandalous action:
Then they came to Jerusalem. And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of those who sold doves; and he would not allow anyone to carry anything through the temple. He was teaching and saying, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.” (Mark 11:15-17)
How did the Jewish leaders respond to Jesus’ action? “And when the chief priests and the scribes heard it, they kept looking for a way to kill him” (Mark 11:18).
Why was Jesus’ behavior in the temple worthy of death?
First of all, he was suggesting that the current state of the temple was unacceptable and that the temple leadership – the chief priests – were unworthy of respect. They were like a bunch of robbers.
Second, Jesus actually prohibited the crucial function of the temple: the offering of sacrifices. From the point of view of the priests, he was keeping the Jewish people from worshipping God in the way God had prescribed – a serious if not a capital offense.
Third, Jesus’ activity in the temple was consistent with his earlier actions, whereby he implied that the temple was no longer necessary. If Jesus himself could forgive sins (Mark 2:1-12), then why bother with the temple? Thus Jesus was saying to a temple-centered religion: The very center of your relationship with God is wrong. Such a critique would not be taken lightly by those who embraced a temple-centered Judaism.
But it wasn’t only what Jesus did in the temple that provoked a negative response from the leaders, but also what he said. You see, by referring to the temple as a “den of robbers,” Jesus was doing far more than insulting the chief priests. He was actually quoting from the prophet Jeremiah. In Jeremiah 7, the prophet condemned the tendency of Israel to put their faith in the existence of the temple. Many in Jeremiah’s day believed that they could do all sorts of evil deeds without fear of punishment because God’s temple was in their midst. The temple was their spiritual safety net, so to speak. But God was neither fooled nor pleased. So, through Jeremiah the Lord prophesied,
Here you are, trusting in deceptive words to no avail. Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, make offerings to Baal, and go after other gods that you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, “We are safe!” – only to go on doing all these abominations? Has this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your sight? . . . And now, because you have done all these things, says the LORD, . . . therefore I will do to the house that is called by my name . . . just what I did to Shiloh. (Jer 7:8-14)
And what did the Lord do to Shiloh? He destroyed it and the tabernacle it once housed (Psalm 78:60).
In the day of Jeremiah, the people had turned the temple into a “den of robbers,” a place of supposed safety for those who did evil deeds out in the world. For this reason, God promised to destroy the temple, which he did in 586 B.C. Similarly, by quoting from Jeremiah 7 as he overturned the tables in the temple, Jesus implied that the same judgment applied in his day. Those who took refuge in the temple could not presume to be safe. God was about to destroy the temple because of the sin of the people, even as he had done to Shiloh and to the first temple in Jerusalem.
Thus Jesus’ action in the temple, combined with his words, not only insulted and upset the chief priests, but also conveyed God’s judgment upon the temple itself. This crime against the temple could not be tolerated, as far as its leaders were concerned. Jesus, the blasphemous criminal, deserved, not only to be silenced, but also to die. In my next post I’ll examine two fascinating parallels that will help us to see that the Jewish leaders who condemned Jesus were acting in ways fully consistent with their predecessors and successors. Right or wrong, they were doing exactly what Jewish leaders in their position had done and would do again. They thought they were defending God’s temple and, indeed, God himself.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 5
Jewish Leaders Respond to Offenses Against the Temple
In my last post, I suggested that one of the major causes of Jesus’ death was his “cleansing” of the temple. By interrupting the sacrificial system and by quoting Jeremiah’s own condemnation of the temple, Jesus was threatening the very core of Judaism in his day. In the perspective of the Jewish leaders, this would have been blasphemy – speaking against God himself.
For those whose experience and viewpoint is far removed from that of the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, it may seem that their intended punishment simply doesn’t fit the crime. But, if we look for historical parallels, we find two incidents in which other leaders acted much as did Caiaphas and his associates when dealing with Jesus.
The first example comes from the ministry of Jeremiah, some 600 years before Jesus. The Lord told Jeremiah to stand in the Jerusalem temple and speak the following:
“If you will not listen to me, to walk in my law that I have set before you, and to heed the words of my servants the prophets whom I send to you urgently – though you have not heeded – then I will make this house like Shiloh, and I will make this city a curse for all the nations of the earth” (Jeremiah 26:4-6).
What response did this prophecy spark in the Jewish leaders and others? Sorrow? Repentance? Hardly! In fact, here’s what happened:
And when Jeremiah had finished speaking all that the LORD had commanded him to speak to all the people, then the priests and the prophets and all the people laid hold of him, saying, “You shall die!” (Jeremiah 26:8)
There it is, the same pattern we see in the last days of Jesus: Speak judgment on the temple and the leaders will believe that you need to die. In the case of Jeremiah, however, he insisted that he was only passing on God’s own message, so the people spared his life (Jer 26:12-16).
Now jump forward in history more than six centuries, to an incident that occurred about thirty years after the death of Jesus. Curiously enough, this incident involved another man named Jesus, son of Ananus (Hananiah), who came to Jerusalem during a feast an began to cry out “against Jerusalem and the holy house.” According to the Jewish historian Josephus, Jesus’ persistent proclamation of judgment on the temple and city offended “certain of the most eminent among the populace,” which is to say, the leaders of Jerusalem. So, at first they beat Jesus severely. But when this didn’t shut him up, they brought Jesus to the Roman procurator “where he was whipped [flogged] till his bones were laid bare.” When even this didn’t silence Jesus, the procurator dismissed this Jesus as a madman and a nuisance. (The story of this Jesus can be found in Josephus’s Jewish War, 6.5.3.)
In this case of Jesus ben Hananiah, the Jewish leaders seem not to have pressed for his crucifixion. Of course, this Jesus didn’t pose the same threat as Jesus of Nazareth once did, nor did he do anything resembling the cleansing of the temple. Yet, merely by proclaiming God’s judgment on the temple, Jesus son of Ananus earned several beatings, including what must have been an almost fatal Roman flogging. And, like Jesus of Nazareth, the Jewish leaders dealt with him, first on their own and then by handing him over to the Roman governor.
The experiences of Jeremiah and Jesus ben Hananiah, though different in detail and time period, nevertheless illustrate how Jewish leaders were apt to deal with those who spoke against the temple. They were worthy of severe punishment, if not death. And when the Jewish leaders no longer had the authority to execute someone, they would turn him over to the Roman governor. Thus the actions of Caiaphas and his associates in response to the problem of Jesus of Nazareth reflect the same commitments and tendencies of similar leaders in similar positions. This greatly increases the likelihood that the historical scenario I have been proposing with respect to Jesus of Nazareth is, in fact, accurate.
In my next post I’ll sum up what we have learned about “one” Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death.
One Jewish Perspective, Part 6
Summing Up One Jewish Perspective
In the last five posts I’ve been examining “one” Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death. Let me briefly summarize my findings, adding some observations along the way.
1. It’s more accurate to speak of “one” Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death than to speak of “the” Jewish perspective because not all Jews agreed with the viewpoint of those who conspired to have Jesus crucified. Only a tiny percentage of Jews in Jerusalem were actually involved in the effort to persuade Pilate to execute Jesus. Moreover, the New Testament Gospels attest to the widespread popularity of Jesus among his Jewish contemporaries. “A great number” of those in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus’ death were horrified by what had happened to him (Luke 23:27). Thus, if anything, the numerically dominant Jewish perspective would have supported Jesus. But those who held power in Jerusalem we able to do what the masses would not have wanted.
2. Some of the leading Jews in Jerusalem, including Caiaphas, the High Priest, sought to have Jesus crucified. Evidence for this comes not only from all four New Testament Gospels, but also from the Jewish historian Josephus.
3. The Jewish leaders who sought to have Jesus crucified believed that his death was necessary for the following reasons:
a. By stirring up the people, Jesus was threatening the peace and life of the Jewish people, thus increasing the likelihood that Rome would destroy both Jerusalem and the temple. The death of Jesus would be preferable to the destruction of the nation.
b. Jesus “seduced Israel and led them astray from God” (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a). His message and ministry lessened the people’s commitment to living out their Judaism in the way approved of by the Jewish leaders (priests, Pharisees).
c. Jesus interrupted the orderly system of sacrifices in the Jerusalem temple, speaking against the temple and its leaders, thus opposing not only the core of Judaism, but God himself. Jesus’ quotation from Jeremiah 7 (“den of robbers”) combined with other things he had said during his ministry clarified his condemnation of the temple – a blasphemous offense. Moreover, he insisted that God was on his side, thus adding blasphemy to blasphemy.
d. Jesus presented himself as the Messiah, the one anointed by God to bring divine salvation to Israel. But he failed to do what the Messiah was supposed to do, notably, lead a successful revolt against Rome. Instead, Jesus turned his judgment against God’s own temple. Thus Jesus was a false messiah. This fact alone might not have warranted his crucifixion. But, when combined with his other offenses, his false claim to messiahship increased further the chances that his actions would bring devastation upon Judea.
4. The efforts of Jewish leaders to silence Jesus by physical violence were consistent with what other Jewish leaders did in similar situations (vs. the prophet Jeremiah in Jer 26 and vs. Jesus ben Hananiah in Josephus, Jewish War, 6.5.3). This consistency greatly increases the probability that the Gospel accounts accurately portray the role of Jewish leaders. Caiaphas and company did exactly what Jewish leaders in their position thought they had to do when someone insulted or threatened the temple.
Implications for the Current Debate
Given this picture of “one” Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death, I want to draw out two implications.
First, it is historically irresponsible to say, “The Jews killed Christ.” Yes, I’m aware that the Gospel of John uses “the Jews” in a way that seems to lay blame for Jesus’ death upon “the Jews.” But, when read in context, “the Jews” means “some Jewish leaders.” Ultimate and legal blame for Jesus’ death fell upon the shoulders of Pontius Pilate, no matter how he might have tried to wriggle out of it. Moreover, many, and quite probably the vast majority of Jews in the time of Jesus, did not want him killed, and were horrified when it happened. Given the tragic history of Christian anti-Semitism, we Christians must speak carefully and accurately about Jewish involvement in his death. The truth: some influential Jews believed Jesus had to die and sought to convince Pilate to crucify him.
Second, it is historically irresponsible to deny all Jewish involvement in the death of Jesus. Some scholars, no doubt responding to the horrors of anti-Semitism, have applied their critical scalpels to the New Testament records, cutting from them any implication of Jewish complicity in the death of Jesus. In their surgery, however, they bleed historical probability to death. In fact two ancient Jewish sources, Josephus and the Talmud, indicate that some Jews were involved in the death of Jesus and help us to understand why they would have been. Plus, the picture of Caiaphas and his associates in the Gospels makes historical and logical sense. These leaders were protecting that which they believed to be essential, including both the temple and their own civic/religious position. The actions of other leaders in similar situations confirm the conclusion that the New Testament Gospels paint an historical reliable picture of Jewish involvement in the death of Jesus.
Finally, there was another Jewish perspective on the necessity of Jesus’ death, a perspective I haven’t yet mentioned. It was the most important Jewish perspective of all, that of Jesus himself. To the question of why Jesus believed he had to die I’ll turn in my next post in this series.

But when it comes to homosexuality, regardless on which side of the aisle you live on, how long can one be engaged in a community where the position is held in the contrary? Could we agree to disagree about the ordination of women? Could we agree to disagree about interracial marriage? I don’t think we could, but yet for some reason we believe we can in this case.


Jesus was crucified. There were many ways in the first-century for a criminal to be put to death, including stoning, beheading, being torn apart by beasts, etc. Yet all the earliest sources attest to the crucifixion of Jesus. These sources include, in addition to the New Testament writings, the Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities 18.3.3, A.D. 95) and the Roman historian Tacitus (Annals 15.44, A.D. 109)(Photo: Painting by El Greco, “The Crucifixion,” 1596-1600)Jesus was crucified during the governorship and under the authority of Pontius Pilate. Once again, this basic fact is confirmed in Josephus and Tacitus in addition to the New Testament.

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posted July 17, 2008 at 2:43 am
So what do we do now? It seems the only concrete step we can take immediately is to stop per capita payments to the denomination. They can pursue their agenda if they want, but they shouldn’t be surprised if half the denomination stops funding them.
posted July 17, 2008 at 8:49 am
So now will there be a split in th PCUSA with about half becoming Righteous Presbyterians an the other half becoming Justice Presbyterians? How tragic to devide along such terms! Perhaps this divorce is inevitable. I think that is the view of the majority of commenters at this blog. But to me the divorce is unnecessary and could be avoided if both sides engaged in a more serious study of God’s Word expressed in the Bible.
posted July 17, 2008 at 9:15 am
“But to me the divorce is unnecessary and could be avoided if both sides engaged in a more serious study of God’s Word expressed in the Bible.”
How would that make any difference in the outcome when one side of the debate insists on twisting the plain declarations of the Bible into meaningless cultural anachronisms that provide no relevant modern guidance and instead relies on moral relativism as a superior method of gauging behavioral standards?
posted July 17, 2008 at 9:28 am
Brett: a good way to start would be to stop accusing people who have a different interpretation of crucial Bible passages as “twisting the plain declarations of the Bible”. There was a time in Christian history when the vast majority believed that the plain teaching of the Bible was that the earth was the center of the universe. Only in this century did the Catholic Church change its mind regarding Galalio who questioned the Church’s interpretation of the Bible. God’s word is authorative; our interpretations are not. Both the righteous and the just and everybody in between needs to be humble in regard to his or her interpretation of the Bible. Accusations of Bible twisting are alienating, not reconciling.
posted July 17, 2008 at 9:46 am
Bill,
How long have you been in this midst of this debate? Your comment, “But to me the divorce is unnecessary and could be avoided if both sides engaged in a more serious study of God’s Word expressed in the Bible.” is insulting to folks on both sides of this issue—as if we haven’t been engagged in a serious study of God’s Word. If that is what you think, then let me tell you that you know of not what you say and you must be rather new to the whole debate.
As far as “twisting the plain declarations of the Bible”, you need to consider the methods of interpretation being used and ask if the ones being used (by either group) result in finding what the writer of the passages in question intended to convey or are simply methods that, if used, can lead one to make the text say what the reader is wanting it to say. If you are honest in your examination of that issue, you will come to see the truth in the charge of “twisting” against one of these groups.
posted July 17, 2008 at 10:17 am
I agree with Bill Goff that the Bible is NOT a science book. My question for all is, “Why would you even equate race and gender with sexual orientation?” Here you must look to science for answers. Race and gender cannot be changed.(Yes, there is surgery and there are hormone treatments, but these do NOT change an individual’s chromosomal makeup.) Please, everyone, no matter which side of this argument you take, or what church you attend, read http://www.narth.com/docs/hom101.html before you assume that sexual orientation must be equal to race or gender when it comes to issues of justice and equality. This is not to attack the dignity of any human being who is a child of God and loved by God. But the irrational acceptance of social engineering above hard scientific data needs to be exposed.
posted July 17, 2008 at 10:24 am
Mark, thanks so much for this series. Your clarity is a gift to the church.
Will you have another post with recommendations about next steps – for both Justice Presbyterians and Righteousness Presbyterians?
Will you be not only descriptive but prescriptive?
posted July 17, 2008 at 11:29 am
Well Bill,
Sorry if you thought that my figure of speech was antagonistic, but I used it to illustrate the absurdity of appealing to reliance on interpretation of the Truth by parties who have demonstrated that they have no intention of seriously considering opposing viewpoints, even if they are espoused by the Lord Himself. If that offends you, that’s too bad. It’s still an accurate description of what they do to give the impression of giving God His due.
As for your repeated attempt to draw a parallel between the topic of this discussion, church sanction of homosexual behavior, and technologically outmoded worldviews, you couldn’t be farther off base. As far as we’re concerned, we are the center of the universe! In empirical terms, we are the only sentient living beings in the universe.
Of course, this obsolete Bible that you continue to reference asserts that there are other created beings, so your point is incorrect anyway.
As for the punishments of the Old Testament – what’s your point? The sins for which the Law of Moses prescribed them are still considered sins. I’ll grant you that we’re no longer in the cultural milieu of a tribal theocracy, so there’s the difference in the allowable severity of punishment for violations of law. That doesn’t justify conforming to the moral standards of unbelievers. We’re in the world, but still not of the world.
posted July 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Unfortunately, the evidence Mark lays out is compelling, as affirmed by Reyes-Chow.
Of course the temptation for both sides will be to be angry, bitter, etc. I think the challenge for us as we respond is to do so in love, striving to maintain harmony between the two sides (and anyone in between). I hope that I myself and all of you may respond in a way that we may, “love one another with mutual affection; outdo one another in showing honor.” (Romans 12:10 NRSV) For those who argue against gay ordination on the basis that its supporters do not heed scripture, I encourage you to heed the abundance of scripture that encourages us to love one another, etc. as we respond to this issue.
Now begins the real challenge: to respond in a way that holds true to our convictions AND that is becoming of a faithful follower of Christ.
posted July 17, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Accusations of anger, bitterness, and insensitivity notwithstanding, there comes a time to call heresy and apostasy for what they are. That doesn’t mean that the one who tells the truth of the matter is unloving – rather the opposite is the case.
Saying that proponents of preposterously un-scriptural behavior should not be ordained to leadership positions in the Body of Christ is not the same thing as condemning the individuals who engage in those practices. In fact it’s a demonstration of caring for and about the people involved as well as those who would be under their leadership and using their examples as models.
I think that Bill was excessively sensitive in taking offense at my remarks, but I suspect that he was merely using the tactic to distract from the essence of my point, instead of responding to it directly, since that’s what he’s done every time that he’s discussed this subject so far. He knows that there is no real substance to his argument so he uses an ad hominem deflection in the hope that no one will notice that. He’s typical of the pro-practicing-gay ordination side of the debate that I’ve seen.
If a couple of you think that I’m behaving in an unseemly or disrespectful manner, I disagree. We are called on to defend the faith and point out gross misconduct in affairs of the fellowship, and since this thread is devoted to discussing that topic, then I’m well within the limits of reasonable civil discussion in my opinion. We aren’t discussing the behavior of a particular person anyhow; we’re talking about acceptable vs. unacceptable behavior.
I will, however, in the interest of preserving the tranquility of this blog, refrain from posting further on this subject.
posted July 17, 2008 at 1:39 pm
If Mark Roberts had been at Philadelphia in 1776 instead of John Witherspoon, we’d all be singing “God Save the Queen” before baseball games!
All of his blather accomplishes precisely NOTHING. Thanks for rearranging these deck chairs on the PCUSA Titanic, Mark. They look so much better now.
posted July 17, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Bill Goff wrote: “But to me the divorce is unnecessary and could be avoided if both sides engaged in a more serious study of God’s Word expressed in the Bible.’
Hey Bill: I think even the conservatives like me have studied the Bible very dilligently. Mark Roberts was my Greek professor, he forced me to.
The serious study of the Bible is what led to me changing my point of view on this issue nearly 20 years ago. There was no way I could get around (and Lord knows I tried) what the Scritprues teach.
I wrote an piece today about unity. The question is – is there a call for unity at all costs? Is there really a call at all for it.
Please read http://www.chrisenoch.blogspot.com for my further thoughts on the issues.
God bless you (and I mean it),
Chris
posted July 17, 2008 at 2:34 pm
After reading Mark Roberts’ blog, I am convinced he has faith and wants the denomination to be restored and reformed. He just isn’t willing to do ANYTHING about it!
“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” James 2:17.
With friends on our side like Mark Roberts, who needs enemies?
posted July 17, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Mark, Thanks the clarity you’ve offered by discussing both sides of this issue. In trying to understand the pro gay ordination thinking, could someone point me to a website where this position is justified scripturally?
posted July 17, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Sam,
If it feels like no one’s listening to you, you’re right.
Mark,
Thanks for your insights. I’m not sure I agree with you that we must now split into two denominations, but I appreciate hearing that vantage point.
posted July 17, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Thanks for this helpful series, Mark. Of course, the obvious question is “Now, what?” I understand Sam’s frustration, though I don’t appreciate his method of expressing it. We’ve asked the diagnostic questions, and many of the answers have turned out to be the same. At what point do we decide to take the medicine?
posted July 17, 2008 at 4:20 pm
#14 Dave, here is one piece that is widely circulated among “progressives”:
“What the Bible Says – And Doesn’t Say – About Homosexuality,” by Rev. Mel White
http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian
Be warned, however, to read with a very critical eye; there is a lot of deceptive and selective proof-texting going on (something they are always accusing Christians of doing). Much of the scripture appealed to is twisted, taken out of context, or they omit reference to the other verses that contradict their assertions. Or they explain away the plain meaning of the Scripture by arguing the writer was actually talking about something else. Plus they support their arguments with a number of logical fallacies, such as “since in the past people have misused the Bible for bad things, e.g., to support slavery, they must also be misusing the Bible here.”
Here’s just a few examples (you could probably spend 40 or 50 pages totally dissecting the deceptions). For example, they state that the “Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality,” without disclosing that a number of the prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Zephnaniah) use Sodom and Gomorrah as the paradigm of the sin and rebellion that God has punished. For that matter, so did Jesus. (Gospels of Matthew and Luke)
You will also meet such classic arguments as the “Holiness Code” (the repackaged “Shellfish Argument”) which argues that sexual morality standards only applied to the Jews in the Old Testament (completely ignoring all the verses in the New Testament which say that God’s standards haven’t changed in this regard).
Also they trot out the classic liberal assertion that Sodom and Gomorrah’s sin was not that of homosexuality, but “inhospitality” or “arrogance”(specifically rebutted by II Peter 2:5-7 and Jude 1:7). “Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:7)
They also intentionally misquote Scripture. For example, they write that Ezekiel, referring to Sodom, said “They were arrogant and this was abominable in God’s eyes.” What the verse actually says is “They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.” (NIV, other translations use “and committed abomination”–cross-reference that other Leviticus verse they don’t like either.) In other words, it wasn’t just some passive state of “arrogance” that God thought “abominable.” It was that they committed abominable and detestable acts. But they simply rewrite the verse to say what they want.
Finally, they argue that today’s homosexual behavior is totally different from that described in the Bible, so that none of the verses really apply.
The problem is that most people in mainline denominations are so Biblically illiterate that they just soak this stuff in as being the truth.
posted July 17, 2008 at 8:21 pm
When they trot out the shellfish or similar arguments I view that as a concession speech. It means that despite their degrees they are ignorant of scripture or willfully distorting it.
The shellfish argument is full of holes but is appealing to many because so few bother to read the passages in context. I encourage you to read flaws of the shellfish argument.
posted July 17, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Jim, excellent analysis of the Soulforce piece. What a train wreck of bad exegesis and logical fallacies! I may fisk that someday when I have time.
Mark, I am so glad to see leaders note that we can’t get along as unified denominations this way. “Unity over doctrine” is a ridiculously un-Biblical idea, yet the liberal theologians apply it regularly.
posted July 18, 2008 at 6:05 am
It seems those members of the PCUSA who rightly recognize homosexual behavior as intrinsically disordered and contrary to the natural law are at a crossroads. They can break away to establish a new church (which will, in time, split again on this or some other doctrine) further fracturing Christ’s Body, or. . .
Or, they can always come home. http://www.chnetwork.org/about.htm
The Catholic Church has taught consistently for 2,000 years that homosexual acts are contrary to the law of God (and, at the same time, that *individuals* who struggle with such tendencies must always be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity). Rest assured the Catholic Church will continue to proclaim this truth for the next 2,000 for She was founded not on sand, but on the Rock of Peter by Christ himself. And she welcomes all with the open arms of Christ.
posted July 18, 2008 at 10:57 am
Mark is a thoughtful and insightful writer, and a gracious host to allow us to comment on his blog, especially on these issues facing the PCUSA. Thank you Mark. I am still on the rolls of a PCUSA church but have stopped attending and am totally dismayed that these ordination issues are even being discussed.
Thank you, Tom, for adding to this discussion. I’m glad you brought up the Roman Catholic Church because, as we all know from the headlines, the RC church has “been there and done that.” Not that they “voted” to ordain gay priests, but that some priests either lied about their orientation or failed to abide by their vows. And look at the carnage this produced in terms of shattered lives and the financial consequences to the church. No, I am not insinuating that GLBT folks are child molesters, though some statistics show that gay men are more likely to molest children than heterosexual men. See http://www.afajournal.org/archives/23060000011.asp
The point I want to make is that I agree with Tom in that I view sexual identity disorders as “disorders.” That has nothing to do with an individual’s piety, training, or sincerity and depth of their Christian faith. But it has everything to do with whether they should be held up as role models (as deacons, elders, or ministers) for our children and grandchildren.
Tom, unfortunately you are correct that Protestant groups will continue to “multiply by division” because they will continue to argue “ad nauseum” over what the Bible says rather than let common sense, science, statistics, and natural law become part of the discussion.
posted July 18, 2008 at 12:50 pm
#20 Tom, I think for some of us, we’re going to have to figure out how we become missionaries to PCUSA, even if we may suffer rejection and persecution as a result.
My problem is that I see the GA’s actions not so much as legitimating homosexual conduct, but in rather disposing of all of the standards of sexual purity that are emphasized throughout the scriptures, the New Testament in particular. When I sarcastically mentioned to a fellow Presbyterian that I guessed that disposing of the ordination standards now meant I could now fool around on my wife, he said, “oh no, that would be adultery!” What??? What is the difference? How do you pick and choose what parts of God’s standards you will follow?? And I fear, no, I know, that all pretense of sexual morality in the church will soon be discarded if this goes through, as it has been in the Episcopal Church.
As many others have said, the current issue of homosexuality is only the “presenting symptom.” The real problem is much deeper: ignorance of the Bible, the Confessions and Catechisms, and our failure to understand our responsibilities as believers to try to lead Spirit-filled lives and lives that would be pleasing to God. That is what we have to work on, not the narrow issue of homosexuality.
Finally, I feel in a real bind as an elder. On the one hand, it would be a dereliction of duty for me to walk away from my church, which I dearly love and for whose people Scripture tells me I have a responsibility as an elder. And yet, as an elder I also feel I have a responsibility to say that I cannot in good conscience abide by the present positions of PCUSA. I think every elder on our session feels the same way.
Is this a matter that can be covered by scrupling? Ironically, it has been used to get around Biblical standards. I know I am already ordained, but can I least at this point go on record by sending a formal letter to presbytery and the national office declaring a scruple to the present positions of PCUSA, that they are contrary to Scripture and the doctrines and teachings of the church and that I cannot agree to them?
posted July 18, 2008 at 6:21 pm
#22 Jim,
Excellent description of the dilemma facing conservative elders and ministers in the PC(USA).
For decades, we conservatives have told ourselves that “my local church is faithful to the Bible and nothing has changed in the PC(USA) constitution (Book of Confessions and Book of Order). Therefore, I can faithfully continue in the PC(USA) and I can answer “yes” to all the ordination/installation questions (Book of Order G-14.0207).”
After the 217th and 218th General Assemblies, more and more of us (conservatives) are reluctantly coming to the conclusion that one or both parts of the PC(USA)’s constitution will be changed either directly by vote of the presbyteries or indirectly by Authoritative Interpretation (AI) in ways that conservatives cannot/will not accept. Therefore, we are now or will soon be at the point where we have a problem with portions of the ordination/installation vows. (The rapidly declining denominational membership is an indication that many have already had enough and are “voting” with their feet.)
Two vows that an elder must answer in the affirmative at ordination or installation are troublesome to me.
(1) Will you be governed by our church’s polity, and will you abide by its discipline?
I personally can no longer agree to be governed by a polity that I believe is being manipulated to lead people astray.
As far as church discipline is concerned, the only “essential tenet” of the PC(USA) that is being consistently enforced is the property clause. How loving and “just” is that? Please do not talk to me about God’s love or the need to be ecumenical while damning the EPC, and suing congregations in civil court or charging ransom for their properties just because these churches want to leave the PC(USA) over deep felt conviction. What a Christian witness for the world to see!
(2) Do you promise to further the peace, unity, and purity of the church?
I cannot “go along to get along” or even to “agree to disagree” about core Christian beliefs. Maybe I’m paranoid, but I sense that social justice advocates want more than tolerance of their viewpoint. They want a validation of the “correctness” of their viewpoint. I foresee a day when this vow may be used to attempt to silence anyone who dares to speak against the social justice viewpoint. In fact, this day may have already arrived.
I’ve become convinced that conservatives (righteousness viewpoint) and liberals (social justice viewpoint) within the PC(USA) are locked in a death dance that will kill the denomination unless these two groups separate. I hope that Moderator Bruce Reyes-Chow and other PC(USA) leaders will quit trying to assure us that “all is well.” It isn’t well and can never be well since the viewpoints are so different and so strongly held. I pray they will actively support a gracious separation and let those congregations that want to disaffiliate go with their property.
Cynthia Summers
posted July 18, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Gene and Jim:
I am sorry for the crisis you have found yourselves in. I can only imagine the emotions/struggles one faces when his church pronounces something he knows to be at odds with divine revelation. I wish there were an easy solution but I’m afraid — as you surely know — there really isn’t. If I were a Presbyterian, none of the three options presented now to you would be particularly enticing to me: (a) remain in the PCUSA with teachings diametrically opposed to Sacred Scripture (b) correct this error and form the New PCUSA — “NPCUSA” (c) find another church.
Option ‘a’ would not really be an option for me at all; which is why in my last post I framed the crisis really in terms of the remaining two while trying to make a case for ‘c’.
But the only way I could be at ease with entering a new church is if I had confidence its teachings 1) did not contradict Sacred Scripture and 2) would not succumb to future buffetting by the winds of secular ideologies and contemporary doctrines.
Once again I offer an invitation, especially to you, Jim and Gene, to take a closer look at Catholicism. You might be surprised, even moved, by the reasoned explanation the Church gives for all of her teachings, and by the tender love she has for all of mankind: sinner and saint, rich and poor.
If you do wish to begin such an investigation, a good place to start is at the link you’ll be sent to by clicking on my name. Thank you guys — and thank you Mark — for hearing me out and being so respectful. You all have the true marks of a Christian.
posted July 18, 2008 at 11:54 pm
#22 Jim,
Excellent description of the dilemma facing conservative elders and ministers in the PC(USA).
For decades, we conservatives have told ourselves that “my local church is faithful to the Bible and nothing has changed in the PC(USA) constitution (Book of Confessions and Book of Order). Therefore, I can faithfully continue in the PC(USA) and I can answer “yes” to all the ordination/installation questions (Book of Order G-14.0207).”
After the 217th and 218th General Assemblies, more and more of us (conservatives) are reluctantly coming to the conclusion that one or both parts of the PC(USA)’s constitution will be changed either directly by vote of the presbyteries or indirectly by Authoritative Interpretation (AI) in ways that conservatives cannot/will not accept. Therefore, we are now or will soon be at the point where we have a problem with portions of the ordination/installation vows. (The rapidly declining denominational membership is an indication that many have already had enough and are “voting” with their feet.)
Two vows that an elder must answer in the affirmative at ordination or installation are troublesome to me.
(1) Will you be governed by our church’s polity, and will you abide by its discipline? I personally can no longer agree to be governed by a polity that I believe is being manipulated to lead people astray. As far as church discipline is concerned, the only “essential tenet” of the PC(USA) that is being consistently enforced is the property clause. How loving and “just” is that? Please do not talk to me about God’s love or the need to be ecumenical while condemning the EPC, and suing congregations in civil court or charging ransom for their properties just because these churches want to leave the PC(USA) over deep felt conviction. What a Christian witness for the world to see!
(2) Do you promise to further the peace, unity, and purity of the church? I cannot “go along to get along” or even to “agree to disagree” about core Christian beliefs. Maybe I’m paranoid, but I sense that social justice advocates want more than tolerance of their viewpoint. They want a validation of the “correctness” of their viewpoint. I foresee a day when this vow may be used to attempt to silence anyone who dares to speak against the social justice viewpoint. In fact, this day may have already arrived.
I’ve become convinced that conservatives (righteousness viewpoint) and liberals (social justice viewpoint) within the PC(USA) are locked in a death dance that will kill the denomination unless these two groups separate. I hope that Moderator Bruce Reyes-Chow and other PC(USA) leaders will quit trying to assure us that “all is well.” It isn’t well and can never be well since the viewpoints are so different and so strongly held. I pray they will actively support a gracious separation and let those congregations that want to disaffiliate go with their property.
Cynthia Summers
posted July 19, 2008 at 10:44 am
re: #22, Jim said, “Finally, I feel in a real bind as an elder. On the one hand, it would be a dereliction of duty for me to walk away from my church, which I dearly love and for whose people Scripture tells me I have a responsibility as an elder. And yet, as an elder I also feel I have a responsibility to say that I cannot in good conscience abide by the present positions of PCUSA. I think every elder on our session feels the same way.”
I can appreciate your struggles and agree you have accepted a responsibility for guiding and leading your church. In your mind, wouldn’t it be an appropriate response to work with the Session and congregation to determine if God is calling you in another direction? You are not turning your back on the congregation and walking away by suggesting the entire congregation turn their backs on what is now an apostate denomination and turn towards God.
In fact, isn’t it your duty as an Elder to discern God’s will for your people and advocate action that will allow your church to bring glory to God, worship the Lord Jesus, and get on with the called mission and stop expending energy in fighting with those that have turned away from God’s will for His people? So, in my opinion, it isn’t a matter of dereliction of duty, but rather fulfilling the duty you have been called to do.
posted July 21, 2008 at 12:13 am
#17 Jim Thanks for your links and the context to the pro gay ordination scriptural justification. My take is to always “seek to understand, and then to be understood” so I appreciate the help. I feel better educated going into my next session meeting where this is on the agenda. On the one hand, I’m encouraged to see some on the pro gay ordination side attempt to justify their position scripturally. On the other hand, the justification on the Soulforce site is quite lacking. One of the more amusing arguments was that the Greeks didn’t have a word for homosexual…..this is the Greeks we’re talking about.
posted July 21, 2008 at 9:37 pm
This has nothing to do with brothers and sisters separating. This is not a family dispute that requires a divorce. Clearly those who have decided to take this denomination captive to worldly Satanic thought cannot dream of separation, for it would mean the loss of money, prestige and power. Are there no leaders left who have not been seduced by liberal and neoorthodox thought. We have become a people of accomodation, dining with the devil.
posted July 23, 2008 at 2:03 am
Hopefully in the spirit of Christian charity (and because Tom has made overtures…) I would also humbly submit for your consideration an historic PRESBYTERIAN denomination that has defined herself as faithful to the scriptures and the Solas with grace and peace for over 200 years: http://www.arpchurch.org.
Pax!
posted July 24, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Mark,
I appreciate these posts and your thoughtfulness in writing them. I haven’t weighed in until now. One thing I have learned is that I cannot make any decisions regarding what anyone else should or can do. No one seems particularly interested in anyone else’s grand plan (or not enough are interested to make any plan happen).
For me, I will just live with what we have and who we are. I will work for more “justice” and stay in communion with those who work for more “righteousness.” Some will decide differently.
We may not like the pain and the fighting that goes on with this struggle, but it is what we have in front of us and probably will be for quite some time to come.
I posted my own “grand plan” today, which no one will likely find compelling but me!
Blessings,
john
posted September 16, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Mark,
Thanks for bringing clarity to the issue. I am one of several folks who have brought non-geographic presbyteries as a solution to our current impasse. We call it the eLink amendment from Beaver Butler Presbytery. It recognizes that we are at an impasse and that there is a third way forward. Ultimately, it allows the two world views to compete without constant bickering within middle governing bodies. The issue is not homosexuality but rather the view of Scripture itself.
Greg Wiest
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