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Vatican Clarifying Latin Mass Rules

posted by akornfeld | 3:30pm Thursday January 3, 2008

Associated Press
Vatican City – The Vatican has begun drafting a document to elaborate on Pope Benedict XVI’s recent liberalization of the old Latin Mass because some bishops are either ignoring his move or misinterpreting it, Vatican officials said.
The Vatican’s No. 2, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said in comments published Thursday that the Vatican would be issuing an “instruction” on how to put the pope’s document into practice, since there had been what he called some “uneven” reactions to it since it went into effect last year.
The document Benedict issued in July removed restrictions on celebrating the so-called Tridentine Mass, the rite celebrated in Latin before the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s paved the way for the new Mass used widely today in local languages.
Following the 1960s reform, the Tridentine rite could only be celebrated with permission from local bishops – an obstacle that supporters of the old rite said had greatly reduced its availability.
In a gesture to such traditional Catholics, Benedict removed that requirement in his document, saying parish priests could celebrate the Tridentine Mass if a “stable group of faithful” requested it.
Implementation, however, has been uneven, with some bishops issuing rules that “practically annul or twist the intention of the pope,” Monsignor Albert Malcolm Ranjith, secretary of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Divine Cult and Discipline of Sacraments, said recently, according to the Vatican’s missionary news agency FIDES.
Such reactions amounted to a “crisis of obedience” toward the pontiff, he was quoted as saying, although he stressed that most bishops and other prelates had accepted the pope’s will “with the required sense of reverence and obedience.”
Bertone, the Vatican’s secretary of state, said the upcoming instruction would lay out criteria for the pope’s document to be correctly applied, according to an interview published Thursday in the Italian religious affairs weekly Famiglia Cristiana. He gave no date for its publication.
He complained that reactions to the pontiff’s document had been uneven.
“Some have even gone so far as to accuse the pope of having reneged on Council teaching,” Bertone was quoted as saying. “On the other hand, there are those who have interpreted the (document) as authorization to return exclusively to the pre-Council rite. Both positions are wrong, and are exaggerated episodes that don’t correspond to the pope’s intention.”
Despite such incidents, the Rev. John T. Zuhlsdorf, who runs a blog that has charted implementation of the pope’s document, said he had seen growth in both interest in and celebrations of the older form of the Mass.
“In some dioceses in the United States, bishops have been stepping up to the plate and not only learning the older form, but celebrating it themselves,” he said in an e-mail. “Younger priests are attending workshops. Several seminaries are offering training for their priesthood candidates.”
Even before the pope’s document was released, liberal-minded Catholics had complained that Benedict’s move amounted to a negation of Vatican II, and some bishops and cardinals publicly warned that its implementation would create a rupture in the church.
Jewish groups also complained because the old rite contains a Good Friday prayer for the conversion of Jews. Bertone has said the issue could be resolved and that the church in no way intended to go against its spirit of reconciling with Jews.
Benedict’s document was also a bid to reach out to the followers of an excommunicated traditionalist, the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who split with the Vatican over Council reforms, notably the introduction of the new Mass.
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Anonymous

posted January 3, 2008 at 5:52 pm


‘a “stable group of faithful”‘
Hmm, interesting concept. :)
‘a “crisis of obedience” toward the pontiff’
An optimistic portent.
“Both positions are wrong, and are exaggerated episodes that don’t correspond to the pope’s intention.”
Anyone else get the impression PB doesn’t communicate well? “Here’s what I’m saying.” “Here’s what I meant when I said that.” “Here’s what I meant when I told you what I meant when I said what I said.”



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nnmns

posted January 3, 2008 at 5:53 pm


That was me with the comment on PB’s communication ability.



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pagansister

posted January 3, 2008 at 6:15 pm


It seems that by “giving permission” for the RCC to again use the Latin Mass that it would be simple…”you can say Mass in Latin again because “I”, the great Benny says so”. Now hard is that? Interestingly enough, a friend of mine has attended a church that has been saying Mass in Latin long before Benny gave “permission.” How that works I don’t know, but it seems that some churches have been doing Mass that way without the OK.



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Henrietta22

posted January 3, 2008 at 7:53 pm


They could just have one Latin Mass Day once a month in all the Churches, so everyone would have the chance to learn how to give a Latin Mass, and the congregation how to receive it, then everyone would be happy.



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Anonymous

posted January 3, 2008 at 10:59 pm


paragraph 1
“Vatican City – The Vatican has begun drafting a document to elaborate on Pope Benedict XVI’s recent liberalization of the old Latin Mass because some bishops are either ignoring his move or misinterpreting it, Vatican officials said.”
paragraph 3
“The document Benedict issued in July removed restrictions on celebrating the so-called Tridentine Mass, the rite celebrated in Latin before the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s paved the way for the new Mass used widely today in local languages.”
Now, given the liberal use of “liberalizing” in this liberal leaning article, I can understand where the confusion might come from. I think Ben was actually taking a conservative stand when he proposed a return to the Latin Mass. It certainly seems like they need a document to clarify the document. And people wonder why the Church (in all its forms and denominations) is confusing. Of course, the new document will be in Latin, so there will also need to be a translation.
Liberate us from obfuscation! Amen.



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nnmns

posted January 4, 2008 at 5:08 am


I can see why some RCC authorities would rather present their religion in a language no one in the audience understands. The illogic is lost in the mist of majestic-sounding mystery.



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Henrietta22

posted January 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm


You are right nnmns, some people can only understand sounds, words confuse them.



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Thelemite

posted January 4, 2008 at 2:24 pm


Is there truely a universe where this actually matters?
Who knew that breaking the protocol on how they receive permission to give a mass in a certain language would get so many holy men’s panties in a twist! I can only imagine that if someone tried serving the wrong brand of wine during a service there would be complete Catholic civil war!



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Randy Wells

posted January 4, 2008 at 2:42 pm


this pope is going to set the Catholic church back a couple of hundred years and undo the good Vatican 2 did. But the rush to do the old mass shows the superstition of the catholic church rather than the importance of understanding what is being said or done. Old Catholicism thinks it is the ritual and not righteousness that matters



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pagansister

posted January 5, 2008 at 8:48 pm


Randy:
“This pope is going to set the Catholic church back a couple of hundred years and undo the good Vatican2 did.”
He already has, IMO.



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