Ha! Creationists one, Darwinists…some fairly high number.
(And of course, no one but a small group of scientists would care about this at all, if someone else had come up with the original theory.)
God bless.

Considering the time that Darwin was doing his studies, I expect he was wrong on several occasions, but he certainly did do what no one had done up to his time.
Yes Joey, “Creationists one, Darwinists…some fairly high number.”
Agreed..

I’d say Creationists zero. I very much doubt they predicted this.

If the choice is between: Darwin-wrong-about-chickens and Creationsits-wrong-about-every-friggin-thing-else, I’ll take Darwin and his mis-guided notions about poultry (Though, I recommend his later writings about earthworms — fascinating. I’m not kidding; they’re really fascinating).

Two points;
What do creationists have to do with predictions? We are not prophets we just know that there is a higher being that put everything into being!
Secondly, Who says Darwin was really ever right about ANYTHING with his limited research potential and theories that just have not yet been proven wrong?

Well, no one ever said a single man from over a hundred years ago had to get every detail of modern science right. I’m with nnmns, though – this isn’t really a point against Darwinian evolution, just Darwin himself. If they had found that white skin came from red jungle fowl and yellow skin came from some kind of pre-flood superchicken, then I’d be willing to mark one down for creationism.
I don’t believe I’ll lose any sleep over the theological implications of chicken ancestry. I might give it a passing thought over my next bucket of KFC, but that’s about it.

It’s bad enough that some humans are concerned about the colour of a person’s skin, but the colour of a chicken’s skin???? Sheesh already!

“What do creationists have to do with predictions?”
Exactly. Predictions are about the future. Creationists want to take us back to the past, usually the mid 1950s, the era of “Father Knows Best” and the Cleavers. Creationists rely on fiction for their worldview, it seems.

“Creationists want to take us back to the past, usually the mid 1950s, the era of “Father Knows Best” and the Cleavers.” mystery poster
I do agree many Creationists rely on fiction for their world view. Some folks have the mistaken view that the 50′s was a time of perfect marriages, no child abuse, Daddy ran the family (the Biblical Male domination thing),mom was always home baking cookies, no abortions, no rape, everyone went to church or whatever religious institution they belonged to (all dressed up), and life was perfect. Things were hidden then…and not as public. Nothing has changed, for better or worse, they’re just out in the open with the electronic age. That view of the ’50s and before makes as much sense as a divine being plopping us down just like we look now. Darwin had nothing but his eyes for his keen observtions and he did a very good job of starting to unravel the Biblical view of thinngs. Of course he made mistakes, but he was far ahead of his time. Not sure the church was happy with him, but without men and women like him, we’d be back in the dark ages. IMO, some churches are still living in the dark ages.

What is real, no one will know. Sure we can gather some information and marvel at ourselves but it is God who knows all things. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Man wastes his time trying to figure out how God did it instead of caring for one another.

I was a teenager in the 50′s, and we all knew that the fantasy world of television families was just that: fantasy. We had problems and we knew we had problems. The assumption that creationists all live in the 1950′s is, well, just plain silly.
As for Darwin, I understand that shortly before his death he renounced his studies. Apparently when he was face-to-face with eternity, looking back into millions of supposed years of evolution didn’t satisfy him. Talk about living in the past! It seems to me that is where the head of the evolutionist is. A long, slow, boring past with no great prospects for the future. Give me creation with its loving and great God and His promise of eternal life anyday!

How did this get turned into an argument? It’s just an interesting fact that some researchers uncovered. So what? It’s interesting, it’s not proof ANYBODY is right or wrong about anything really. WTF! If somebody is secure in their beliefs, they don’t need to be so paranoid that somebody else is going to use everything against them. Come on you dopes on both sides of the evolution vs. creationism issue… live and let live and relax a little bit. Breathe……

FYI, Windsors Child – Darwin’s deathbed recantation is such a well-known lie that for years most Creationist groups have strongly advised their members to avoid using it in an arguement, lest they end up looking foolish.

WC:
I too was young in the ’50′s. I had a happy childhood, but would I want to go back to the “good old days” ? No, but there is the illusion that times were “better”. Better than what, I don’t know.
And even if it was true that Darwin renounced his studies…the ideas were still out there and makes no differnce if he all of a sudden “found God” while he was dying.
I’m all for the long, boring evolutionary method. We’ve come a long way from our beginnings in the ocean.

Chickens are not the only species to which he incorrectly applied his theory! Take MAN, for example….

After reading all the other posts, I have to add a postscript. For the world to teach the evolution theory(not a word Darwin ever used) as fact is not supported by fact! The comment that Creationists (like myself) want us to revert to the 50′s is naive, to say the least. Let us just close by saying, why is the “missing link” still missing? I believe it is because it doesn’t exist (and never did)…Make of this what you will, but Darwin merely drew conclusions from his particular viewpoint, pre-conceived, in my opinion. He never meant for it to be taken as fact! To teach that THEORY AS THOUGH IT WERE FACT, without acknowledging the possibility of creationism is cheating our future generations!!!!!!!!!
By the way, I am using my real name in this post, so I am not ashamed of my comments or my position!

And if they use this single issue to try and discredit the entire science of evolution, that will simply indicate the level of desperation to which the Creationist proponents have sunk. Sadly, it is not to the 1950′s that Creation theorists would retreat, it is the 1850′s, or perhaps even the 1350′s. The entire body of evolution science stands in contrast to a couple of chapters from the ToRaH (and which chapter trumps the other?). At least Evolution theiry allows for enough room to keep the discussion open and dynamic. Creation theorists want to close the book and allow no further discussion.

How about schools just teach evolution as the only theory for which there is any evidence at all? Kind of like the way they teach the theory of gravity.
Honestly, do we really need professional educators to teach creationism? Can’t parents just take a few seconds to tell their children “God did it – asking how is a sin,” and let the teachers put in the many hours needed to explain & analyze the evidence for evolution?

Public schools should continue teaching evolution…much proof over long time has proven it. Creationism is a religious view…and should be reserved for Sunday school and religious schools. If some parents think that we were plopped here, find a private Christian school who does just that…the “fact’ of creationism. Or if in a public school, the parents (as mentioned above)can tell their children that evolution is a secular thought and isn’t true, because “God did it”…and He/She is right and all poweful and all that stuff.
It is fortunate that Darwin did what he did.

What is real, no one will know. Sure we can gather some information and marvel at ourselves but it is God who knows all things. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Man wastes his time trying to figure out how God did it instead of caring for one another.
Posted by: cknuck | March 4, 2008 2:38 PM
If “no one will know” “what is real”, how is it possible to know that god “knows all things”? How could you even trust that it was god speaking to you and not your own “wisdom of” “foolishness”?
How is that “man wastes his time trying to figure out” the way in which the natural world works to further medicine not “caring for one another”?

Keith,
Using your name is all fine, I use mine all the time. I have one question for you.. how do you account for all the fossil records that predate humans by billions/thousands of years. I would be appalled if someone tried to teach my children/grandchildren that humans lived before or with the dinosaurs. Carbon dating may not be perfect, but it is certainly better than using a fictional story as a standard measurement of time.
Even worse are those who sadly believe that the Earth is only about 6,000 years old.
The earth deserves to be respected for all that she has offered us, and continues to do so.

How would anyone know about billion/thousands of years?
Pagan you asked what difference does it make that Darwin found God on hid deathbed; it would have made a difference to him.

Darwin did not see the connection between dinosaurs (something he did not even really recognize as part of the greater equation) and chickens (birds in general) either. Does that make him wrong? No, it simply means he made the initial proposition and others have built on his work. Darwin is not “Moses”, or even “Thomas”. He simply saw patterns and developed a theory that has turned out to be re-proven multiple times. Faith cannot be proven, by definition. Science must be proven, by definition. Overlaps are likely, but they are not the same.

“How would anyone know about billion/thousands of years?”
That question falls right in line with “how would anyone know about any time before their earliest memory?” Fine if you want to spark an amusing philosophical discussion, but not terribly productive or practical. Most of us are willing to take our elders’ word for it that there was a time prior to our birth, and when we look at the Declaration of Independance we feel it is safe to assume at least several centuries have passed.
We also see that it would have taken millions and even billions of years for the light from stars to have reached our planet – using the reasoning above one might say we can be secure in the knowledge that the universe has been around for a very, very long time. And while some may believe that the earth was winked into existence about 10,000 years ago, or that the whole universe appeared at that time with all light already in transit here, I prefer to follow where the evidence leads.

“… without acknowledging the possibility of creationism is cheating our future generations!!!!!!!!!”
Posted by: Keith Ingram | March 4, 2008 9:08
How do we decide which creation story to teach? The Ojibwe one?hehehe
But look how creationists now want fairplay when at first they banned any mentioning of darwinism.

sorry, post above was by me
“How would anyone know about billion/thousands of years?
Pagan you asked what difference does it make that Darwin found God on hid deathbed; it would have made a difference to him.”
Posted by: cknuck | March 5, 2008 11:32 PM
How would anyone know about billion/thousands of years?
Well, the rate at which isotopes decay in elements like uranium, among others.
As far as Darwins deathbed goes… No, cknuck, it only makes a difference to you. Now if, lets say, darwin had been navajo and went back to his parents traditionalist navajo beliefs that would’ve made a difference to his parents. They’d be ecstatic. You, on the other hand, would believe that would make no difference to his afterlife experience…….>Thats Religion as a CULTURAL PHENOMENA

“Pagan you asked what difference does it make that Darwin found God on hid deathbed; it would have made a difference to him.”
No it wouldn’t. He’d fade into oblivion either way.

no name:
The question you quoted was the answer cknuck gave me when I didn’t ask a question. “it would have made a difference to him.”
My statement was “makes no difference if all of a sudden he “found God” while he was dying.” Wasn’t a question.

How many Creationists does it take to change a light bulb – none, they prefer the dark.
Why did the Creationist cross the road – no one cares because they aren’t funny.

Unknown poster, what has Father Knows Best got to do with Creationists?
It was a fun TV show, and included a caring family with the desire to teach their children what was the right thing to do in their lives and others. It was before the flower children, drugs, and thumbing noses at being responsible started. There were extremists in religon back then, too, but not enough to upset our government yet. I’m glad our children grew up in those times. Of course I look at the 50′s with an adults view, where some of you were children and have a much different perspective.