
Monday April 28, 2008
Pagans Find a Sometimes Uneasy Home Among Quakers
By MATTHEW STREIB
c. 2008 Religion News Service
BALTIMORE -- When his partner died in 2004, Kevin-Douglas Olive reached a crossroads in his faith. Even though he had been a Quaker for almost two decades and put his trust in Jesus, he began to explore other ways of tapping into the divine.
"I had this experience of (my partner) after death, and he spoke to me and woke me up out of my sleep," Olive says. "It freaked me out, because I really didn't believe in that stuff; ... my faith in God had disappeared when my partner died."
He started to explore Wicca, a nature-based pagan religion, surrounding himself with pentacles, candles and incense. But that didn't stick. "It seemed like more make-believe on top of the Christian make-believe," he says. "I was rejecting one; I didn't want to bring in another."
Even after Olive found his way back to Jesus, he retained some elements of paganism. While he upholds the standard traditions of his local Quaker meeting hall, he privately incorporates pagan ritual into his prayer.
He's part of a small but growing movement of Quakers who also identify as pagan -- a trend that may or may not exist in other Christian traditions, but certainly not in such an organized, public fashion.
Across the board, the number of Quakers is dwindling, to roughly 100,000 in the U.S. But if Quakerism continues to catch on among the estimated half million pagans in the U.S., those who embrace both traditions predict that could reverse the Quakers' downward trend.
Still, some Quakers worry about losing their own traditions through the process of accepting new ones.
In the last decade, this dual faith has sprung up around the country, including Quaker-pagan gatherings, seminars, an extensive presence on the Internet, and even explicitly Quaker-pagan congregations. There may be only several hundred Quaker pagans, but among American Quakers, their presence can be distinctly felt.
"It seems that now, in most liberal meetings at least, you can always find a few members that identify as pagan," says Stasa Morgan-Appel of Ann Arbor, Mich., who has facilitated a Quaker pagan interest group since 2002.
Quakers -- officially the Religious Society of Friends -- are divided into four main branches, three of which are explicitly Christian. Pagans have been generally joining the liberal fourth branch, the Friends General Conference, which counts 30,000 members in North America, including Morgan-Appel.
Liberal Quakers are less tied to the Christianity and instead hold established Quaker practices, such as unprogrammed pastor-less meetings, as the basis of their faith. Because of that flexibility, many liberal Quakers no longer see Jesus as divine, and some don't believe in God at all.
Paganism generally refers to nature-based religions that pre-date both Christianity and Judaism. Think witches, druids, pentacles, Wicca-- but not Satanism. Carl McColman, author of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Paganism," defined it this way: People Adoring Goddess And Nature.
It may seem strange that pagans would join the Quakers, which began in the 1600s with strong anti-pagan sentiment. Founder George Fox even altered the days of the week because of their pagan roots. To this day, Quakers refer to Sunday as First Day, Monday as Second Day and so on.
On the other hand, the two traditions share many similarities. Both are non-hierarchical and place a strong emphasis on internal divinity.
In fact, as modern paganism rose in popularity in the 1970s, many pagan groups looked to Quakers as a model of survival without a nucleus of control.
Morgan-Appel says many pagans openly embrace Quakerism, but Quakers who espouse pagan beliefs have long operated under the radar. That may be changing, however.
"People are really having the courage to be honest and truthful about the reality of their spiritual lives," she said. "If I'm standing out there at gathering, saying, 'Hi, here we are, come be yourself with us,' that provides a safe space and a lot of momentum."
But it also carries a price. Due to the accommodation of non-Christian beliefs in many meetings, many Quakers report that Christian Friends feel slighted.
Witnessing about Jesus in Olive's meeting has become infrequent.
"People here come from so many different places, spiritually," he says.
"Meetings can be very quiet, as many people are afraid to voice views that others might not hold to be true. We talk about God, but we don't really put a name to him or her."
In an effort to reinforce his connection to Jesus, Olive holds a monthly Christian prayer group at his house after his Quaker meeting.
Morgan-Appel says that such fears are common. She has seen tensions flare between the two groups, from pagan-influenced Quaker weddings to unfair fees charged to use meeting halls for Quaker-pagan gatherings.
"I think there's a myth that it's only Christians who feel like it makes people uncomfortable when they talk about Jesus," she said. "There are definitely times when I see that there are still knee-jerk reactions from people within the Society of Friends who don't know what paganism is."
Marshall Massey, a conservative Quaker in Omaha, Neb., and co-founder of Quaker Earthcare Witness, says removing Christianity undermines the stability of the Quaker faith.
"We are an easily acculturated movement," he says, explaining that Quakers' egalitarian, non-creedal tradition makes it very susceptible to outside influences. "But Quakerism has become, on the liberal end, an indefinable refuge for people who regard themselves as mystics or experientially religious and have problems with sources of authority."
Massey said losing Quakerism's Christian heritage cuts away at its unifying belief system and makes it prone to dissolution. Nevertheless, it would be un-Quakerly to try to halt the process.
"Christ is not the sort of person who would drive people away -- I don't know that it's our job to stop it," he said. "Our job is to seek to know the will of the living Christ and to obey it the best we can. When we humans try to fix one another, we just make things much, much worse."
Surprisingly, Cat Chapin-Bishop, author of the blog "Quaker Pagan Reflections," a bastion of Quaker-pagan thought, agrees with Massey on many counts.
She says many pagans find Quakerism attractive because it allows them to appear more mainstream. Still, she worries that if their commitment doesn't deepen, that could weaken Quaker beliefs.
"I see the pagan world waking up and saying, `Wow, there's Quakers, and maybe we could be Quakers and pagans -- cool!'" she said. "If it stays on that superficial level, that's not good news, and threatens Quakerism with real dilution. But if there are some leadings and people ... take in the wisdom that people have to teach us, then it's a wonderful thing for both pagans and the Society of Friends."
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I've never been a Quaker or a Pagan and I haven't been a UU for a while but it seems to me UU's are a natural meeting place for Pagans. I suppose there are Quaker churches in places UU's don't meet but for the most part I don't understand why they wouldn't go there.
Posted by: nnmns | April 28, 2008 8:03 PM
With the appeal of no Big Boss (like a Pope or minister etc.)and the emphasis on internal divinity, I can understand the draw of the Pagans to the Quakers. Hadn't heard of this before now, but it makes sense.
There is a lesson to be learned for some with the statement by Massey:" Christ is not the sort of person who would drive people away .....". This guy certainly has the right idea!
Posted by: pagansister | April 28, 2008 8:07 PM
nnmns:
Yes, it is very logical that Pagans head for a UU group, but the liberal branch of the Quakers are apparently attractive too. I have met a few Pagans in UU congregations.
Posted by: pagansister | April 28, 2008 8:20 PM
Liberal Quaker practices, due to their fluid nature, seem to be a more comfortable fit for Pagans, who are also more fluid and less programmed in their approach. I don't know about other UU congregations, but mine seems to be standard Protestantism minus God/Jesus.
We also have an annoying tendency to overintellectualize our spirituality. As the joke goes: A UU comes upon a fork in the road with two signs. The one on the right says "This way to heaven." The one on the left says "This way to a discussion about heaven." He turns left.
Quakers and Pagans are more experiential. The Quakers, with their emphasis upon silence and the meditative spirit it produces, is mighty appealing. My most profound spiritual moments are not found in church, but out in nature, just silently being one with it.
I appreciate the theological and philosophical freedom I find in my UU fellowship, but sometimes I wish it could speak to my heart, too, not just to my mind.
Posted by: Donna | April 28, 2008 9:02 PM
Quakers are very surprising They have certainly evolved and apparently close to extinction.
Posted by: cknuck | April 28, 2008 9:42 PM
I have a colleague who is a practicing Catholic. We were discussing religion in my office one day (I know, I know, supposed to be taboo, but it's okay among the ladies I work with). Anyway, I just happened to mention in discussion how misunderstood religion is in general by those who don't practice a particular one, and I specifically brought up pagans, and how they worship gods of nature, not the devil, etc, etc. She looked at me with surprise and gratitude, and told me that her daughter was pagan. She seemed relieved to know that being pagan was not reviled or universally misunderstood. I think it hurts her that her daughter is not Catholic, but she accepts her daughter.
It's a shame more people can't just live and let live.
Posted by: eastcoastlady | April 28, 2008 9:53 PM
Yes, ECLady, Pagan's are misunderstood, by many. However we will survive. It is good that your friend accepts her daughter's choice.
It is hard for some to "live and let live."
Posted by: pagansister | April 28, 2008 10:11 PM
It is hard for some to "live and let live."
That's because they have the "one true way"... (wink, wink)
Posted by: eastcoastlady | April 28, 2008 10:15 PM
I attend a quaker meeting in the UK, so it is liberal and unprogrammed. I feel that as long as people take it seriously, there should be no worries about non-christians joining the faith. In my meeting-house we have a regular buddhist that comes along, hindus have visited, as well as fundamentalist christians. It really is a place for everyone to be with God/the divine/the spirit/themselves. I don't consider myself a main-stream Christian, and for me, having a variety of religious backgrounds in a meeting uplifts the ministry and really makes the atmosphere welcoming. The only reason that the Quakers seem to be dwindling is they never do ANY outreach! Something which is now changing in the UK thanks to National Quaker Week, but we really need to get our act together!
Posted by: Loulelou | April 29, 2008 3:15 AM
I attend a local UU church and we have a very active pagan group (as well as a Christian, athiest, humanist, and seekers). They hold celebrations throughout the year which they open to all who are interested. Pagan language is also incorporated into the regular Sunday services (I.E. "Spirit of Life").
UU Churches by definition must be open to the pagan tradition. The overarching theme of the UU Principles is tolerance:
* The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
* Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
* Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in
our congregations;
* A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
* The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within
our congregations and in society at large;
* The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
* Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a
part.
for more info, check out www.uua.org
Posted by: truu | April 29, 2008 9:17 AM
This is ceretainly an interesting turn. I have a passing interest in Quakers for several reasons. One is, when I took the B'net "What religion are you?" I came out a Quaker rabbi. Also, i once went to a workshop on Quaker art, specifically "The Peaceful Kingdom" as a chronicle of Quaker politics. It seems Hicks, the artist, repainted the scene many times, each referring to problems in the Quaker strucutre. It wasa fascinating way to view a church fight.
On the other hand, I have an even greater interest in pagan practices. Many of what is culturally Christian is from pagan/Celtic roots. But there are a large number of other aspects of the "christian" culture that are derived from pagan rites and traditions.
As with so many things, I like to keep the door open and to explore all sorts of possibilities. Everything from Native American to Celtic to Zoroastrian, to other religions all have great velue in them. To discount them or to dismiss them is to lose opportunities, if not to experience the "divine" in different ways, then to meet and get to know some very cool people.
Posted by: jestrfyl | April 29, 2008 11:06 AM
i'm a UU...never heard abt. you...need to find out more...
Posted by: Mike Doyne | April 29, 2008 12:32 PM
jestrfyl:
Yes, the "heathen" pagans have contributed to so much in Christianity (as have others) but there are those that refuse to acknowledge that.
You may be one of the few ministers that accepts that there is knowledge, wisdom and value in other beliefs as well as the Christian ones. You are a seeker...and that is to be admired!(IMO)
truu:
Nice to read that your UU church has such active groups including those of Pagans. Thanks also for writing the UU principles. Hadn't reread them in awhile. The first time I read them over 40 years ago, I was immediately drawn to the UU church...and of course, marrying a life long UU helped! My kids were raised in the UU church. I was raised in the Methodist church and it wasn't cutting it.
ECLady:
Yes, sometimes the "one true way" certainly gets in the way of acceptance of other's beliefs. (wink, wink, nod, nod)
Loulelou:
Must admit I've never been "proselytized" by a Quaker. (or a UU for that matter or a Pagan) but that could very well be why Quakers seem to be fading from view. That would be a shame if they did. The certainly are inclusive...a very good thing.
Posted by: pagansister | April 29, 2008 1:05 PM
A nod and a wink will get you a nod and a wink and seeking is just that. For distinctly Christian faith there is one way to the Father and that is as stated by the Son. So if your nods and winks were to draw me in there is my statement.
Posted by: cknuck | April 29, 2008 3:54 PM
So if your nods and winks were to draw me in there is my statement.
Sorry to burst your bubble - oh, okay, I'm not sorry at all -
I had absolutely no desire to "draw you in". I've been assaulted with "one true way" BS from several ignorant and closed-minded fronts and sources. My "wink, wink" was a statement directed straight at "sis", and I'm sure she knows that.
Posted by: eastcoastlady | April 29, 2008 10:15 PM
ck,
As if you were not baiting the hook with this brief bit, "Quakers are very surprising They have certainly evolved and apparently close to extinction."
At least you honored the existence of evolution. See, there is hope for you yet!
Posted by: jestrfyl | April 29, 2008 11:55 PM
jest not quite baiting a hook but quoting the article as it clearly states the numbers of Quakers are decreasing as they change their religious practices to include varied non-Christian forms.
I know the point about evolution is your sense of humor working there, but that's not the kind of evolution, I think that you want me to note is it? On second thought maybe it is
Posted by: cknuck | April 30, 2008 5:40 AM
All -
I first noticed this story a couple of minutes ago, and I agree with several, that paganism and Quakerism (Friendsism?) is not a match I would have thought of, but it does seem to fit.
Except for one or two things. Besides the obvious mismatches or dysmatches in theology of inspiration, is the liturgical issue. Quakers are just about as nonliturgical a faith community as one can find, and I always think of pagans and neopagans as being highly liturgical - or at least, ceremonial.
Lex orandi, lex credendi ("how you pray shapes what you believe," roughly translated) would seem to argue against these two getting together, or against its being a marriage made in nirvana if they do.
Posted by: DeaconScott | May 1, 2008 8:30 AM
I just found today one more reason to consider Quakers as "friends". On at least one occasion during World War II, they arranged for special transport of Jews in Hungary and Czechoslovakia to get safe transport out of war-torn central Europe.
Thank you.
Posted by: eastcoastlady | May 1, 2008 4:12 PM
That was interesting ECL, and they proved that they are "friends", as they say they are. I've only met one Quaker at an Episcopal coffee, and she was very nice to talk to. I told her I didn't know that Quakers visited other Churches, and she said she enjoyed visiting that particular Episcopal Church, occasionally.
Posted by: Henrietta22 | May 4, 2008 8:03 PM
H22,
here's one link I found:
Quakers and Nazis
or paste the following into your browser:
http://academic.kellogg.edu/mandel/mills_rev.htm
Posted by: eastcoastlady | May 5, 2008 12:49 PM
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