I hope this group finds the “Affirmation” they are seeking in the LDS Churches. I hope other Gay groups find the “Affirmation” they’ve been seeking from the United Methodists, Presbytarians, Episcopalians, Roman Catholics, and all manner of other Christian Churches who stand in the same place these do. Oh well why stop with Christian Churches; Jewish Temples, and Muslim houses of worship, too.

Good Luck to the Affirmation group. Right now I don’t think they will have any luck in being accepted. They have been put off indefinitely by the leaders. Didn’t know that the LDS folks blame the mother for the child’s sexual orientation?? That’s totally sad and has no medical basis whatsoever. The sin concept however is nothing new…I think many churches use that word to apply to homosexuality.

Surprise surprise, women getting blamed again, have we still not moved away from this. Gay people like every other person who walks on this planet are responsiable for their own decisions. I guess its eaiser to blame God or womwn hey.

“General Conference that homosexuality is not a sin or a disease and that mothers don’t cause it.”
Reminds me of a really old joke:
Guy #1: “My mother made me a homosexual!”
Guy #2: “Gee… If I buy her the yarn, do you think she can make me one, too?”

It will likely take a leader from another generation to make the sort of change they want. Given how slowly these sorts of things take, it could take years, even decades.

That’s totally sad and has no medical basis whatsoever.
Well, technically, haven’t most of the “genes” that are attributed to homosexuality found on the X chromosome? That, and they say that a child’s sexuality can be influenced by the types of hormones found in the woman. Not being purposefully argumentative here, of course…

I_Like_Dragyn-
Actually, the most recent research seems to indicate that females/mothers do indeed influence the sexual orientation of a baby.
So, in fact mothers also cause babies to be straight.
That said, many/most Mormons believe that mothers make their children gay/straight/bi in the manner they raise them. That gay boys have been “mothered” too much.
Peace!

I think the use of “make” or “cause”, as in “mothers also cause babies to be straight” may be a bit too emphatic. I would think the best science can prove or even simple assert is that mothers have a stronger effect on sexual orientation than do fathers. Genetic, hormnal, environmental, and so many other factors effect our roientation as well as other personal characteristics that no one cause can be singled out.

jestrfyl-
I agree. I should have used “influence” as I did in my first line.
Peace!

I_like_Dragyn:
Good point on Mother’s influence. When I wrote that, I was not thinking about physical influence..genes. Mother’s are given “blame’ for anything that others consider to be wrong with a child, and the LDS folks think homosexuality is “wrong”, so of course, the Mom didn’t raise the kid right. Autism in a child was, at one point, blamed on the Mom. I’m certainly not saying homosexuality is wrong, IMO it is how a person is born…made, if you will.

Sin:
You were right…that joke was really bad!

sinsonte
Guy #3 – I have the pattern, I ‘ll make you one myself!
Ah, the old jokes never dye, they just fade a bit with each telling.

I wish them great good luck and suspect they will need it.

It’s not a matter of choosing between faith and sexuality it a matter of choosing between your faith and sin no matter how folk try to rewrite it. It’s a poor witness.

cknuck it’s your decision to follow your interpretation of certain lines in the Bible, lines not even of Jesus’ (purported) words. That’s all that makes it a sin to you. Don’t try to make it sound so monumental; it’s just an interpretation you and an ever-smaller group of like minded people make.

If you’re chosing something between faith and sin, let it not include sexuality, as that isn’t a choice, that is a given and includes a persons whole being ck.

Sexuality not being a choice is an argument not fact H22, one that can be argued for any sexual preferences and acts, but it is not fact.
nnmns Jesus had a lot to say about sexuality, His lack of comment on homosexuality does not make it not important because Jesus taught about sex and was very clear, there is one way, marriage between a one man and one woman period. He even talked about fornication between one man and one woman. The fact that homosexuality was not even considered is not a selling point, rather the opposite.

So you say. I’ve read Jesus hated divorce and said so, but said nothing about homosexuality yet you ignore divorce in your screeds and pillory homosexuality. Don’t you occasionally worry that you aren’t supporting your “savior” very well?

Divorce is put down by JC. Couldn’t count how many very good Christians are divorced. So how is that any different when, according to some, the Bible says that homosexuality is “sinful”, and yet there are those born with their sexual preferences which they act on. (just like heterosexuals act on their sexual preferences). Don’t see the problem. Divorce and same gender relationships are part of life…even in JC’s time.

The devoice smokescreen still doesn’t change homosexuality it’s a weak attempt of diversion. Look over here and don’t look over there, if we can make an issue with divorce maybe men having sex with other men won’t seem wrong.

What makes you think it’s wrong? You claim it’s the Bible. When you interpret the Bible to oppose homosexuality but ignore clear comments from the god of your religion it’s pure hypocrisy.

Nobody is ignoring what Jesus said about divorce, it is sin and we know it and try not to do it, not that we are perfect we never claim not to sin but that we try not to sin. there is a difference in trying not to sin and just plan old sinning, that’s my point just in case I did a poor job before I hope this better explains my viewpoint.

Well Catholics avoid that kind of sinning, with exceptions and a lot of “help” from their priests. Why aren’t you spending as much time advocating no divorces as you are advocating against homosexuality? Actually I’d think more is called for given the hugely different levels of admonition in your holy book.

I do spend time on divorce when the topic comes up but homosexuality seems to come up more often in the articles. I would love to reason with you on the admonition in the Bible.
I think for the most part you are a very civil person with admirable reasoning. I welcome any discussion concerning Christianity with reasonable parties.

I welcome any discussion concerning Christianity with reasonable parties.
If only – it would be great if you limited your discussions to Christianity, but you also spend way too much time talking about Judaism, and not in a nice way.