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Methodist Bishop Rejects Challenge to Bush Library

posted by nsymmonds | 5:20pm Monday September 15, 2008

By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service

(RNS) President Bush’s proposed library at Southern Methodist University cleared another hurdle after an Oklahoma bishop refused to reject the plan, according to the United Methodist Church.
Oklahoma Bishop Robert E. Hayes said it was a matter of secular, not church, law at this point, the United Methodist News Service reported.
“I do not believe I have before me a proper request for a ruling on church law,” Hayes wrote in a Aug. 12 decision, according to UMNS.
The denomination’s South Central Jurisdictional Conference, which owns the Dallas-based University, approved the lease of campus land in July.
The George W. Bush Presidential Center will house a presidential library, museum and policy institute. The 36-acre center is expected to cost $500 million.
Progressive Methodists, including faculty members at SMU’s Perkins School of Theology, have fought the plans at every step. They argue that some Bush administration policies, such as the war in Iraq, contradict Methodist beliefs.
Bush and first lady Laura Bush are both United Methodists; Laura Bush graduated from SMU in 1968.
Hayes’s decision will now be reviewed by the denomination’s high court, the United Methodist Judicial Council.
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pagansister

posted September 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm


SMU may wish they’d never agreed to this library. Who the heck is paying the $500 million price tag? “W”. This country has had a horrible day on Wall Street, and prices are going up on things such as gas, but someone can afford to waste $500 million on a building for a useless soon-to-be former president?



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pagansister

posted September 15, 2008 at 7:04 pm


OOPS! Should be a question mark after “W”.



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JohnQ

posted September 15, 2008 at 7:45 pm


pagansister-
It does not make any more sense with the question mark than it does with a period.
I am not suggesting that your question is senseless….just the library.
A presidential library for a man who does not even read. I know, I know…the library is for his papers, his documents, and book written about him.
I not only would have gladly donated money to build his library….I would have been happy to actively seek donations for it a few years back had he agreed to resign….a few years ago.
Peace!



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nnmns

posted September 15, 2008 at 9:49 pm


There are people, some with a lot of money, who think Bush has done a good job and will contribute, perhaps, a lot of money to him and his library. Those people live in a whole different mental world than I do, and I have to wonder if it’s America they love or a vision of a country in which the rich can do as they please and the rest of us are so paupered we have to work for them for very little.
I hope this isn’t in line with Methodist principles.
And those who like Bush for that reason will love McCain.
And those who think Bush was God’s gift to the US now apparently think Palin is. Earlier I said I understood she’d been moderate in her administration of Alaska. She was reactionary in her administration of her little town and she was secretive and rewarded her cronies. Just like Bush. Bush’s FEMA director knew a lot more about horse shows than helping New Orleans and Palin’s head of Alaska’s ag department was a school chum and realtor who like cows as a kid. Honest, that’s the excuse she gave for her $95,000 per year job directing a $2 million per year agency.
If, worst case, they get elected I predict there will be Christians praying he dies so she becomes President.



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jestrfyl

posted September 16, 2008 at 12:40 am


How in the name of all the is good and holy can a “library” holding the collected works of the Scarecro-W cost $500 MILLION??? We are talking a shed for some presidential shrub-cutting tools and a single shelf for all of the collected works read by the president while in office. Now, you might convince me if there were some…
…WMD’s hidden in that library. But I am fairly sure there won’t be any massive tomes or extensive files for his best speeches.
This is the biggest boondoggle and sneakiest swindle I have ever heard of. That the Methodist’s are falling for this does not speak well for them. I suggest he take the money for his library from the proceeds of the sale of Lehman Bros or Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac. If even a single tax dollar goes to this arch-idiocy it is criminal and abusive. Let Tinman-Cheny and the Cowardly Rove fund this foolishness – they got him the job to begin with.



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nnmns

posted September 16, 2008 at 1:29 am


What will be hidden there are the records of GWB’s administration so no one can, he hopes, find enough incriminating hard evidence to put him where he belongs.



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jestrfyl

posted September 16, 2008 at 9:38 am


nnmns,
Only the Scarecro-W would think that secrets could be hidden in a “library” – after all it is a place he would never consider looking!!



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Henrietta22

posted September 16, 2008 at 2:16 pm


Nnmns and jestrfyl, your comments are right on top of the whole issue, also John Q. John said he couldn’t read; actually he can, but in the book “The Family”, one thing remained in my mind that I thought was pretty unbelievable for University schooled parents of our President Bush and siblings. When they were in Wash D.C. coming up in the political world and the boys were young the boys had to go to their friends homes to use their encyclopedias for school information for their homework. One family asked him after many nights of this if he didn’t have encyclopedias in his own home, and George W. said no, he didn’t.
I’ve wondered why he didn’t build his own Presidential Library, such as Harry Truman and William Clinton. These Libraries are immensely interesting by the way. I wondered if the Bushes thought that by having their library on the grounds of a University that they would have the identity of being highly endowed with Academic works. This would be lost in the present generation or two, but conceived by other generations to come. What it will do is remind people that are Methodists of the split in their opinions of what an excellent President should be, and that they are not a unified Church; it will also give vistors who aren’t Methodists the opinion that all Methodists were in agreement with having the library on the U. grounds
Nnmns mentioned that the super rich think of us lower income people with no society standings, as below them, and that we should be very satisfied if they give middle-income, and lower-income attention at all, if it doesn’t benefit them. He’s right. I’ve experienced this through relatives that have interacted with the greats, such as The Rothchilds, Morgans, Mudds, Rodins of (the Cable and Brooklyn Bridge family), and lesser greats. They do this by their mind-set that if it weren’t for them we wouldn’t exist at all. They need servants, and servants need jobs. This was in the past, but it really hasn’t changed with the Republican Party and the people who adore them. The lesser Republicans have plenty of small people they are over and their attitude is one of condescension, and working to get up with the greats. And there isn’t anything wrong with this except there has to be a balance for our nation, there isn’t in 2008. We will not have a balance if we don’t vote for Obama and Biden. They are qualified leaders. McCain and his choice for VP would be a horrendous mistake for Middle and Lower Americans.



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nnmns

posted September 16, 2008 at 4:16 pm


As I understand it records of his administration in Texas were hidden in his Dad’s presidential library. I don’t know if they ever came out or not.



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jestrfyl

posted September 16, 2008 at 11:35 pm


To add hyocricy to this entirely silly discussion, the Sacrecro-W did not even graduate from any of the Texas schools. You can bet that Yale would be mortally embarassed to have the Bush moniker attached to any pseudo-”library”. I think I see one way we can help with the budgetting crisis, use the money that might have gone to this shell to recover some of the costs of the Bush Family War.



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