If Edwin F. Kagin thinks this is an egregiously and breathtakingly unconstitutional, then he would have fainted at the signing of the constitution and wanted to die when the built the House of Reps and all of those monuments with scripture all throughout their walls.

I doubt very much Kagin is as delicate as you try to paint him cknuck. In fact, given his job I’d guess he’s far tougher than average.
It is an egregious law and needs to be fixed.
And it’s obviously false. If “reliance on almighty God” worked, governments would use it right and left. For instance the US is about as religious as any nation and it’s not working for us.
So the law is just a power grab by some preachers who want to have the state fund wasting time pounding Christianity into people who should be learning how to protect us.
If Kentuckians had any sense a bunch of turkeys who voted for that would be tarred and turkey feathered and run out of office on a rail. Or at least voted out of office.

God is the most important aspect of protection/security that we will ever know. I say way to go Kentucky!!! I agree with you cknuck, this country was founded on our faith in God! How disappointed God must be with the direction that our country has gone. It is time for his return! I am prepared, how about the rest of you? Mark 16:16

i was very happy to hear about this law suite … if anything it is because religion we have a “homeland seucrity” scare tactics …. BTW … Your Name …. if you read some of the writing and speeches from the guy that wrote the constitution of the USA (our 3rd president) you will see he was VERY anti religious …. also … my i add that you should also take some collage science classes and then READ and then RE-READ the WHOLE >>> not part >>>> the WHOLE bible and you will see that it is a book of hate and killing … if you are a women …. try to find out if BCE (before common era) you had a soul …. i will let you know ahead of time … you did not! …. by the way … what “god” are they talking about …. Thor, Zeus,or Oden … all are gods too. i would guess you all are atheistis toward Thor, Zeus, and Oden … why not go one god more!?!?!?!

erick, if “God” is so important for our security why isn’t it working. The US is an incredibly religious country but 9/11 happened and we screwed up invading Iraq and Afghanistan is sliding away.
Belief in your god just doesn’t seem to be working for us, Mark or no Mark.

So if there is another attack that means God hates us and has abandoned us? So this mean we cannot fail at security, but any failure is God’s? Poor theology.
Or does that mean Saint Peter now has the other 10 apostles working wands over everyone who is going through the Pearly Gates. The eleventh apostle works the personal, body searches.
This clause in the KY Homeland statement is very pinnacle – or abyss – of bargin basement, blue-light-special theology. And if they get to opt out of the state Homeland agreement, can I opt out of the national arangement? I believe it is as poorly thought through and even more poorly managed.

nnmns just because God has not appeared for your inspection and approval does not mean he is not important to those who put their lives on the line in protecting this country. The presence of God has been recorded on every battle field in the history of American and beyond. Most military men are humbled by the presence of God and often give God credit, glory, honor and thanks for seeing them through dangerous times. Kagin condemns this because he is not a part of any security or armed forces and the most dangerous thing he does is get 15 mins of fame restricting those who put their lives on the line. In the history of this country God has always been on the front line of danger with those who serve, songs are made to this glorious honor, rally cries in the name of the country and the name of God seamless as one. Those who haven’t served shouldn’t have a say, and those who cause hardship for those who serve should be put on the front line.

‘Kagin condemns this because he is not a part of any security or armed forces…’
Seems to me that he’s obviously part of the Militant Athiests’ Brigade, and there’s no telling how long he’s been crouched in that foxhole waiting for the perfect setup.
On a more serious note, however, it does seem like a rather odd mandate. Since it makes so many anal retentives’ ears bleed then maybe it should be revoked. As much as it pains me to do so, I have to agree with nmnns on this one (gag!!) Those of us who recognize can give glory to the one who rightly deserves our praise!!

Well nameless I don’t doubt several people with their lives at risk hope for help from the fantasies they were taught as children but that doesn’t mean they get any help from such fantasies.
But your screed has little if anything to do with the article. It seems to have to do with proselytizing those being trained to protect us when they should be learning how to do that instead.
Tom you can wash your hands later.

It’s absurd that a line like that made it into legislation in the first place. The people at Homeland Security must have known that they were making a stand for their personal religious beliefs when they worded it – utterly unnecessarily, I might add – in a fashion that basically denies the existence of the nonreligious (or polytheists, for that matter) in America. I understand why the wording of older documents like the constitution are not updated to remove the religious references, but this law is only a few years old. They should have known better; I just don’t see how this lawsuit can fail.
I sure hope there comes a day that government officals who are incapable of representing all Americans get fired on the spot.

So unless a person qualified to be in training for a Homeland Security job understands and will say only God can help this Homeland Security be a success they will not be considered for a job in Homeland Security. This then means that the person would have to be a Pentecostal Christian, not a qualified Pagan, Atheist, Lutheran, and most other protestant denominations. The argument is really not about how we undestand God’s help, it’s a KY thing. Well KY is in the U.S., and this seems extreme and not good policy for everyone. Pray your prayers silently, instead of like noisy cymbals, sound familiar?

It’s a pretty sad day when Edward F Kagin and his pack of idiots want to sue a state government because they seek divine intervention for protection of their state. This atheist fails to realize that if it weren’t for God that he wouldn’t be whwere he was nor wake up and enjoy a sunrise, breathe fresh air , etc. Maybe one day this moron will have a spiritual encounter with God that will compeletly alter his life.

It is about time our policitians stopped being cowards and started standing up to the militant God haters.
There is no reason why a minority of 4% haters/athiests should be dictating to the 96% of believers.
The athiests can move to some God hating State like Mass or Ca. They will be right at home there.
Bravo to the Govenor of Kentucky.

Rev Michael, Sgt Riley, I’m sure if you supply American Atheists with some kind of evidence that your god is anything more than a figment of your imagination this lawsuit will quietly disappear.

Surely seems that KY thinks they can’t do anything without an Invisible Being..a divine one that is. So much so that it has to be written into their laws saying that? Amazingly unconstitutional…as in “separation of church and state” as in the beginning of this country didn’t registar in the brain of the state’s brain? Hope the Atheists win this one. Wonder? Do they have any unbelievers in their place…or is all of KY “believers” in this particular “god”?

The atheists can move to some other God hating state, such as Mass. or CA.
Rev. Michael, my husband and I lived in CA for forty years. It is not a God hating state. Distant relations live in Mass, it is not a God hating state. Why is because people use reason it infuriates you so? This is a poor reaction for thinking people to use.

To second Thelemite, show us evidence. I, as an atheist, would certainly start worshiping a god if one unequivocally showed up and stated what it wanted. Of course it’s a fantastic concept and one an alien from an advanced enough planet could fake, so I’d want really convincing evidence. But given that evidence I and I imagine most atheists and people from all the current wrong religions would start worshiping it if that’s what it wants.
But there’s no such evidence. You people griping because atheists want government to act rationally have thrown in with figments of your imagination, planted in most cases at your mother’s knee or maybe some traumatic time when you were especially vulnerable. Some of you will claim evidence but I don’t give any credence to what only shows up in your mind. Nothing personal.

God does not have to show any evidence to meet the approval of those whose vanity drives them to oppose Him.
The government has been acting rationally and on an atheistic level that’s why we are in the shape we are in now. There is no reason to care if there is no God in the government and people rob it blind also no one needs to attend to the poor or go to bat for the downtrodden and fight evil.
9/11 is just a walk in the park compare to what we will face if atheists are successful in convincing this great land to urn its back on God.
You know when I was on the battlefield I didn’t find one atheist, not one. But taking pot shots off of the battlefield there are plenty.

I’m proud to say the last post is mine

cknuck your god can’t show any such evidence since He’s all in your head.
And let me point out again the US is a pretty religious country and we’re in one of the biggest messes we’ve ever been in. And the very religious George W. Bush is mostly responsible, along with his bursting-with-family values Republican colleagues for getting us in that mess. That’s clear. Your claims, on the other hand, are baseless. Oh, and lots of countries in Europe are far more “godless” than us and in at least as good a shape.
You god-pushers make claim after claim with no evidence and ignore them when they turn out to be wrong.

“The government has been acting rationally….” cknuck
Would that be “W”‘s government? The last 8 years has been rational?

Athiest here… Vanity does not drive me to oppose fairies any more than it drives me to oppose a God, evidence does and if you were paying attention, that is also the reason for nnmns. Perhaps it is your inability to face truth (a true sign of vanity) that keeps you from admitting the obvious lack of evidence. Believing in God or not doesn’t really create a moral person. It is the consideration of others that does, a trait very much in abundance among athiests. That is because people who have taken the time to consider the truth of God are also prone to much thought on other matters. They are also people who are more interested in Truth than in fitting in, which takes courage in our society. There is plenty of reason to care outside of believing in God. One only need be a person to understand the nature of caring and being cared for, no belief in God is necessary. There is plenty of reason to not rob, because a person understands how it feels to be taken from. There is plenty of reason to feed the poor, because as a human, we understand the pain of hunger. There is also reason to fight oppression. Oppression of the kind you attempt to push on us, who don’t believe in your God. There are plenty of living and deceased soldiers. Do your research.

I personally think it’s vanity and arrogance to assume one’s own point of view on religion, stress “point of view”, is the ultimate authority and should be blindly accepted by others as “truth” and self-evident, like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

There may be plenty of reason to feed the poor but the truth is atheist aren’t doing it Christians are. I don’t particularly care for Bush but the reason why this country is in so much trouble is because executives have no reason to not line their pockets, and most people take more than their share, most people who love God give back. Not believing in God is not creating moral people look around.
I never expected others to accept God as the ultimate authority the word of God prepares any body who reads it that people will not accept Him, that doesn’t mean that I cannot speak about what I know.

There may be plenty of reason to feed the poor but the truth is atheist aren’t doing it. Christians are.
Wow, what a tremendously presumptious set of statements!
Atheists aren’t feeding the poor? And you would know this exactly how?
“Christians are”? And Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Pagans, etc, etc, are not?
speak of what I know? This is not what you know – it’s what you believe.
And oh, BTW, your ideas of so-called “Christian” ideals about feeding the hungry, healing the sick, charity, lovingkindness – these are all based on and in Judaism. This is what I know, and you should, too.
I have a wonderful Maxine comic strip on my desk that applies especially well here. Maxine is saying, “Don’t believe everything you think.”
You should take it to heart.

The nonreligious outpace the religious in volunteerism once “church maintenance” volunteering is eliminated (Yonish and Campbell, “Religion and Volunteering in America“)

Cknuck we both believe in God, and Eastcoastlady, too, if she is Jewish. It doesn’t bother me if nnmns and ps want evidence before they will believe in God. I feel all the living in my life shows that God exists. I don’t like to hear God being put down, but if that is what they truly believe that’s their business. I think most people throughout my life had their own moral guides in practise, and I didn’t feel I had to lecture, or analyze them. I don’t like labels, they are too restrictive and the real person becomes lost in them. There are enough practising Christians, and all manner of other religions in our country, and I don’t feel that anyone is going to take away what any of us believe in. We have to agree to disagree, and to be as fair as possible in our laws for everyone to be acceptable, then these arguments will just fade away.

eastcoast I don’t believe what I think but what I know, I am on the front line everyday with the poor serving, feeding, and sheltering, so I’ve got a pretty good idea of who else is there. We are a worldwide ministry my friend so I am not talking from a comfy living room, I see the sights, smell the smells, share the tears and comfort those who need comfort. My Christian ideals are in real touchable, form and I have no time for cartoons. I see who is here all over the world.
H22 I agree to disagree but I know what I know also and if someone does put God down I disagree, their friendship is not as important to me as my relationship with God.
by the way H22 well written post, I felt your heart even if I disagree with you.