God bless you, Cardinal Llovera for making the Tridentine Mass more assessable. I have to drive thirty-five miles mid Sunday Afternoon to get to one (and miss the football games)-:, so I usually just go to the Church three blocks from my home for the “Norvus Ordo” which is ripe with liturgical abuses. Yet the distant church has old-style confessionals instead of ‘reconciliation rooms’ and stained glass windows as well as an artistic inner-dome. The air is so thick you can cut it with a knife while the parishioners dress conservatively rather than like they’re at a baseball game; plus there’s a sense of reverence and not so much social jibber-jabbering before and after the services.

Canizares is known as “little Ratzinger”? That says it all….Forget progress, folks.

Good for you, Tom. Enjoy.
I’m not at all sure his appointment was as good for the world as what he did was good for you.

Sourpuss!!

Yeah Tom, I’m sure Jesus always made sure he was in a suit in tie while worshipping.

I think that Prime Minister Jose Rodriquez Zapetero reads belife.net daily, so I’d like to say thank you for legalization of same-sex marriage, and treating the GLBT with understanding and respect, as you enjoy. And whatever else helps your people in Spain. Just hold your office as you see fit and let the Church take care of their Church.

Tradition is good! God bless the Cardinal.

Ah, tradition. Traditionally the earth is flat and it’s ok to own slaves and women couldn’t vote.

Tradition can be a beautiful thing when what you are returning to is a beautiful thing.

Treating GLBT with respect? Please. According to scripture and tradition and reason homosexual acts are always disordered.
The homosexuals constitute less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we are expected to surrender our religious freedom to avert homosexual guilt. Marriage is objectively between a man and a woman, even in polygamous cultures, two men and two women can never be married.
What about my right to freedom of conscience and my right to dissent from the social acceptance, not tolerance, of homsexuality? If you don’t want me to talk about what goes on in your bedroom, don’t open the doors and tell me I have to sanctify or celebrate what the Catholic Church teaches is both immoral and disordered.
Tolerance goes both ways you know. Telling me I am a hate-filled bigot if I refuse to accept the validity of homosexual relationships is akin to telling religious Jews and Muslims they have to eat pork; Hindus to eat beef; or Jews they have to believe Jesus is the messiah under the pain of civil penalties.
That is what the homosexuals are trying to do — subvert democracy and freedom of conscience. Militant homosexuals are the biggest threat to free society since the advent of communism. They hate people having the freedom to disagree with them.

Wow, JR, you are amazing. Unfortunately I’m sure you’re representative of way too many people.
First to your right to dissent from the social acceptance of homosexuality. You have that right. Of course it’s not nearly as popular an opinion as when I grew up so you risk becoming unpopular by using that right, but since you want to make homosexuals unpopular that seems utterly fair.
Now to your idea that scripture and tradition and reason show homosexual acts to be disordered. Well scripture refers to a book with no basis in fact to support its claims so it’s meaningless. Tradition has it that slavery is ok and women should be property so tradition by itself is no excuse for holding a position. As for reason, you gave no argument to support your position so till you do reason hasn’t entered in.
Finally your claim you are asked to surrender your religious freedom is spurious. No one can tell you to stop believing your religion or practicing it and no one is telling your religious leaders they have to, e.g. marry two men or two women.
You are a whiner JR, whining over very little. The harm you’d have homosexuals continue to accept is far greater than any harm to you by letting them marry.

Maybe JR has seen the Newsweek magazine which is debunking all the bibical reasons for treating the GLBT with such disrespect. Or maybe he should go to the nearest book store and buy one.

John R: What’s the problem? If you were one of the folks being treated with inequality, you’d have a different outlook on things. No one is asking you to marry another man…so what’s the term? “live and let live”. Or the famous one: “treat others as you’d like them to treat you.” Isn’t that or something like it in you religious literature?

Newsweek article:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/172653
I don’t believe this will change John R’s (or my) opinion on gay marriage. To say that it’s ideologically slanted would be the understatement of the year, while the exegesis, in my opinion, is severely lacking.

Read the Newsweek article this morning….totally agree with it and learned a few more things about what the bible and JC and Paul and a bunch of others thought on Marriage. Paul had no use for it, JC was all for groups being family, not necessarily marrying anyone, and the book says nothing about not marrying a person of the same gender. Also, lots of sleeping with the servants there! Good article. Obviously there are those that disagree and in that case, don’t marry someone of the same gender….but don’t deny anyone of their rights. The Bible is 2000 years old….and much of that stuff is rather out of date…sleeping with your servants,owning slaves, food prohibitions, killing your kid if she/he doesn’t obey etc.

One thing stayed in my mind about the newsweek story: That Jesus wasn’t big on families, and I guess they meant that because he said to leave your families and follow me. That has always bothered me, because I couldn’t imagine my earthly father dumping me and following someone who said to. Because of this passage I think the conservative-right christians feel that it is o.k. to dump their children if they are gay, and it pleases JC. Let’s go back to the cross right now when Jesus says Father in heaven save me! He is acknowledging that God is the Father in Heaven, His Father. Well it may please JC if you are a Bible literalist, but I don’t think it would please God that you dump your children. Nobody trumps God.

Forgot again.