Looks like AT&T blew that one. Now they will pay for it. Wonder if the supervisor is still working for the company because by refusing the time off requests, he has cost AT&T money. No sympathy for AT&T with the money payout, but if they indeed don’t discrimiate, it wasn’t shown by the supervisor who refused the requests. Also wonder if it was proven that he refused the time off because of their religion or if he had what he thought was a legimate reason or he was just being a pain in the butt.

Nothing Danny? Really? Not even your cut and paste spam? You are slipping in your “anticult” crusade. You should drink more coffee and sleep less so you can catch everyone as soon as someone says something positive.

I am surprised at AT&T’s decision to fight this. It would appear it was a local supervisors decision.. It should have been nipped in the bud at the beginning.. A very Costly Saga.
My experiences have been nothing but complementary for my previous long term employer.. I simply placed requests for time off in advance and never ever had a hassle..

I worked there at that time. They went union and you could be absent only so many times, period. So, if the employees in question already missed two days for the year, those days would have been the end. I just about lost my job when I had to miss the day after July 4 to take my mother to the emergency for breaking her arm. It took walking into the director’s office and staring for them to back down.
Hopefully, they have become more human …

Steve Klemetti post illegal copyrighted cut and paste spam post of Watchtower articles.
Jehovah’s Witnesses demand their free speech *rights* but don’t extend these same rights to others

Good for them,just remember that the Watchtower corporation is very litigious for their Jehovah’s Witnesses followers,same as Scientology.
The leaders of this religion care about only one thing in instances of child molestation, and that is maintaining the white-washed appearance of the religion. For this reason, every settlement with victims of child abuse have required the victim to sign a gag order as documented by NBC.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/ Here

“We have a long-standing practice of inclusiveness in the workplace.” AT&T spokesman Marty Richter said of the resolution.
Bravo for ‘inclusiveness’ something that doesn’t prevail in the Watchtower religion itself dissenters are shunned by their own famuly no tolerance.

This article never said why they were denied the time off. If it was due them as part of their agreement – and it was their choice to use the time for this purpose – then the company is at fault. But if they wanted extra time I do not think the company is required to give it. Religion is right but it does not also grant privileges that others do not get.

Yes, the religion aspect should have nothing to do with this. If they were due the time off they should have gotten it no matter what the reason and if they were not due the time off and took it anyway for a non-emergency reason they should take whatever penalty anyone else would have had.
And I hope the Commission treated it without consideration of religion.

Another court victory for JW’s! Hopefully, like the other “victories”, greater tolerance for all faiths will result. Kudos WB&TS! By the way Lisa nice subtle slam against JW’s! If you want the other side of that story however google “Silent Lambs Exposed”. It is compelling reading and an excellent counterpoint for the msnbc stuff.

The Watchtower society is a litigation by intimidation sect just like Scientology.The tide will turn as the Watchtower is bracing for mega fraud lawsuits including wrongful deaths with the blood transfusion ban flip flop.
GOOGLE Jehovah’s Witnesses pedophilia
I give credibility to NBC World news exposing Jehovah’s Witnesses pedophile cover up
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917798/ Here

They could have attended any number of conventions scheduled at other times.
The JWs have a persecution complex going back to Rutherford in the 1920s.
They are a stale wanna-be-cult….
Smug, uneducated, and deluded.

They are a most “unfun” religion in the world…no holidays are celebrated…Halloween, Christmas etc. No fun there. If I wanted to once again aligne myself with an organized religion, sure wouldn’t be that one! I like special holidays…f

What persecution complex? Any of the summer conventions are 3 days and would have included a Friday. These Guys were treated unfairly.
Both men had submitted written requests to their manager in January for one day of leave to attend a religious observance that was scheduled for Friday July 15 to Sunday July 17, 2005. Both men had attended a convention every summer throughout their employment with AT&T. Gonzalez worked at the company for more than 8 years and Owen for nearly 6 years. Their supervisor denied the requests for one day off even though they gave notice 6 months ahead of time.
I am a JW… is 4 years of college uneducated?
POPPY1313

Jehovah’s Witnesses is the religion of of shill support.They do in fact have the lowest education level of any religion the Jews and the Unitarian Universals have the highest.This is because they usually shun higher education,are apocalyptic and expounded daily ‘not to live for worldly things but put their ministry first’.
They also have the lowest participation in the armed forces obviously because of conscientious objector position.
Interesting,to get on these forums and read Watchtower apologist contributions from JW decorated veterans with college education.
Hmmmm,smells shill to me?

I notice that a previous poster, determined to damage the reputation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, referred to the Silentlambs website.
Quite aside from the fact that this news story has nothing at all to do with pedophilia, the information on that site is just lies presented by someone with a grudge.
For instance, it points to Richard Greist as a “Jehovah’s Witness Child Murderer” when in fact he converted to Jehovah’s Witnesses 17 years after committing his crimes!
The writing is on the wall for Silentlambs. Their lies are being exposed and their deceit will now all come tumbling down.
Google Silentlambs exposed for details or visit: http://silentlambsexposed.blogspot.com

Jehovah’s Witnesses commits door to door rape of child!
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16510/jehovahs-witness-in-door-to-door-sex-assault-scandal

Learn more-Secrets of Pedophilia in an American Religion, Jehovah’s Witnesses in Crisis.
WATCHTOWER COURT DOCUMENTS
http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/

Wolves in Sheep’s clothing
Sexual Abuse/Child abuse issues among Jehovah’s Witnesses
http://www.exjws.net/sexabuse/
Please protect your children.

Beware of people bearing holy books.

I hope 2 god u aren’t a catholic. I would let my child go twenty feet near a catholic church. And u know all religions races have child molesters among them

….And worse yet nnmns, unholy books.

Sure…join the Jehovah’s Witness, get baptized and if you ever disagree with even the smallest details of their teachings (and dare to tell anyone) then you get disfellowshiped. You will be shunned by family, friends and all baptized members.
Truely this is a high control group that needs to be investigated before commiting to. Be aware that as you start studying with them they will tell you that your family will be against you. Why wouldn’t they be against this high control group? They care about you not some religion that is run by a dozen or more old men in New York state.
Do alot of homework and know fully what you are getting involved with.

Beware of people who tell you to beware, they most certainly have agendas too.

“…..they most certainly have agendas too.” cknuck
Don’t we all, cknuck, don’t we all?

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that their organization is the only true Christian organization.
They believe that the truths of scripture were lost through a great apostasy centuries ago until God used Charles Russell to restore the gospel.
JW shares some doctrinal beliefs with Christianity, but most of their beliefs either completely contradict, or at least pervert Biblical truths.
Theologically,Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult of Christianity. The oppressive organization does not represent historical, Biblical Christianity in any way.
Sociologically, it is a destructive cult whose false teachings frequently result in spiritual and psychological abuse,as well as needless deaths.
http://www.jwfiles.com

Advice. When asking yourself, which is the right religion … start with the one who believes they are the right religion. Pretty much dismiss any who don’t.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are at the doors because they ‘don’t’ think they’re better than others. They ‘do’ think they have something better to ‘offer’ others however.
Vaguely reminds me of Jesus disciples. Regards, M

Ok, here’s one list I found by Googling of the twelve largest religious groupings:
Baha’I (7 million adherents)
Buddhism (360 million)
Christianity (2 billion)
Confucianism (6 million)
Hinduism (900 million)
Islam (1.3 billion)
Jainism (4 million)
Judaism (14 million)
Shinto (4 million)
Sikhism (23 million)
Daoism (2.7 million)
Zoroastrianism (150,000)
Not to mention the smaller groupings (estimated there at 4,200 in all). And of course many or all of these major groupings have lots of subgroups, some of which think the other is a false religion. So good luck in finding the “right” religion, even if there were one.
Far better, I think, to not worry about being in a religion but rather worry whether you are living in such a way as to help other people and perhaps animals, not hurt them.

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe they have found something that has benefited them and want to share it. Jesus Christ had something good, but the religion and politics of his day thought him to be incorrect. If there had been an internet in that time, would the bloggers and “experts” have verbally assasinated him? There was just a small minority that could see through the politco/religious propaganda and see the truth in what he had to teach. Every person owes it to themselves to examine the real evidence sans propaganda and see the truth for the good news that it is.

To;Curt,you JW apologist rant and rave about how poor Jehovah’s Witnesses are ‘persecuted like Jesus was’.
NO you are NOT!
You are no more Christ-like than Scientology actually worse than pagan because you claim to be Christians but contradict the faith by your man made Watchtower cult doctrines like 1914.
Go here
http://www.jwfiles.com
“Theologically,Jehovah’s Witnesses are a cult of Christianity. The oppressive organization does not represent historical, Biblical Christianity in any way.
Sociologically, it is a destructive cult whose false teachings frequently result in spiritual and psychological abuse,as well as needless deaths.”

Nurdygrl; “….actually worse than pagan because you claim…..”
And what is so bad about Pagans? We are older than Christianity, thus making Christianity a rather young belief. Just because you don’t agree with JW’s or Scientology doesn’t mean that for those who practice those beliefs that they are wrong. I don’t happen to agree with them, but they must be filling a need for someone or they wouldn’t still exist. The importance or “rightness” of any belief is in the minds of those who follow them….and IMO there is absolutely NO RIGHT RELIGION. Lack of a religion is just as “right”. Everyone has a right to believe or not in some divine being…the problem comes when those folks with their certainity of a god, think it is their duty to Push their “rightness” on someone else…who really doesn’t care to listen.

The Watchtower cult really fast quickie
Came into existence to proclaim Jesus second coming in 1914 which would be the …..well second coming so the end of the world right.
Nothing happened in 1914 except WW1 and of course they had/have a whole spin on how Jesus REALLY DID return in 1914 but invisibly just like in “emperor’s new clothes”.
NOW the Watchtower cult cooked up the ‘generations’ thingy saying that the end of the world is still gonna come but will happen in a your/mine ‘generation’ lifetime.
NOW all devout followers work their asses off to door knock and warn the wicked save the meek and ‘contribute all your valuable things to ’Jehovah’ aka his ‘earthly organization’ the Watchtower Society corporation.
NOW advance to the 21st century 2009 and most of the old timers who gave everything to the Watchtower corporation including their retirement funds are dead and cannot speak out about their dreams dashed and their assets plundered.
http://www.bible.ca/jw.htm

When I was discriminated by a congregation of Jehovah’s witness, I was told to “rather wait for Jehovah.” Not sew the elders.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have steadfastly proclaimed the Kingdom of God as being the only hope that people have. Ps 37:9, 10 Matt 5:5 and many other scriptures describe the earth as being transformed into the paradise that it started out as. Because of this, many have been imprisoned or executed throughout the world. (see the Holocaust Museum website). In 1870 the small group of Bible Students, after studying carefully the 4th chapter of Daniel and Jesus statements in Matt 24-25, where he answered the questions “what will be the sign of your presence and the conclusion of this system”, began to write and teach that the fall of 1914 would begin that “time of the end” that Jesus spoke of. If anyone will open mindedly look at the evidence, they will see that the entire world social system was altered dramatically and permanently since that time. In spite of the internet experts out there and the anti-witness groups, the good news is still there. God will intervene and stop the destruction of the planet and the people that live on it.

Sure, curt and the Moon is made of green cheese. Men wrote that book with those “predictions”, so how accruate can they be?

To pagansister: The problem is that if you actually read it and other historical documents, you will find out how accurate it truly is.

Folks have been predicting the “distruction” of the earth for centuries…guess what curt, we’re still here. No god or other divine creature/being will be riding in on a big white horse or cloud or anything to safe us/ Some folks who have made those predictions have a hard time explaining to the “believers” just why in 2000 we didn’t all die, or for that matter in all those other years that this world was predicted to come to an end…which obviously hasn’t happened. If it does, it does…but I’m not a pessimist…nor do I believe the “predictions”. Stuff happens…part of life. Good stuff and not so good stuff. BTW, I’ve read some of the things and it isn’t that impressive.

I’m surprised they were awarded money. I don’t know what country this is, but if it’s the US, AFAIK, only religious holidays are on fixed dates which the company must respect. A meeting, which is offered on dozens of other dates with exactly the same content, wouldn’t seem to qualify as a situation in which the company had to give the employees a specific set of dates off.
Am I missing something?

The Watchtower cult really fast quickie
Came into existence to proclaim Jesus second coming in 1914 which would be the …..well second coming so the end of the world right.
Nothing happened in 1914 except WW1 and of course they had/have a whole spin on how Jesus REALLY DID return in 1914 but invisibly just like in “emperor’s new clothes”.
NOW the Watchtower cult cooked up the ‘generations’ thingy saying that the end of the world is still gonna come but will happen in a your/mine ‘generation’ lifetime.
NOW all devout followers work their a$$es off to door knock and warn the wicked save the meek and ‘contribute all your valuable things to ’Jehovah’ aka his ‘earthly organization’ the Watchtower Society corporation.
NOW advance to the 21st century 2009 and most of the old timers who gave everything to the Watchtower corporation including their retirement funds are dead and cannot speak out about their dreams dashed and their assets plundered.
http://www.bible.ca/jw.htm

All ministers of Jehovah’s Witnesses do NOT get paid for givng talks at the hall or assemblies, or for being ministers. and all of the people at the WTBS are volunteers. No one gets paid. The Bible says, “You recieved free, then give free”, and that’s what we do. We, also, do not get paid to go door to door. Any donations that we get go towards the building of new halls, the upkeep of the halls, and the producing of our literature. We have a monthly report at the Hall as to how much our personal hall has saved and what’s its going to go towards. I just read an article online about a month ago that said a church here in my city gets roughly $7,000 a week in donations. One only needs to see the inside of the church and where the priest lives and what he owns to know where all that money is going. On the other hand, all of our ministers have full time jobs, in a secular work, and he pays for all of his own stuff. Housing, food, taxes, etc. Not one penny of donations goes to him personally in any way. Anyone is welcome to come to the Kingdom Hall and see what it looks like inside to see that we do NOT exploit. They are all modest halls.
Our purpose in preaching is one thing only. To help people to see that we have a God who DOES care about us and he has promised thatsoon in the future he will give us back what we lost due to Adam and Eve sinning. Paradise earth with life everlasting. 2Pet 3:13, Rev. 21: 3,4.
PS US law states that we have the right to practice our religion in whatever way we have to. If that includes attending conventions, then we have the right to do that and be accomodated at the workplace

The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is rich like Scientology or the Catholic church.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are a litigious group,unfortunately they discriminate harshly against any fellow JW member who dissents against their own Watchtower teachings.
They don’t play well with others.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are unpopular for many reasons.They are like carnival hucksters preaching the need to become a Jehovah’s Witness or die at Armageddon.
They say they promote good family life? Only until you disagree with the leadership in Brooklyn on the slightest of points, and then they completely divide and destroy the family.
“Watch out for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inside are ravenous wolves”–Mt 7:15
http://www.jwfiles.com

Jehovah’s Witnesses are hated just as Jesus said his followers would be.
And they’re hated for doing the same thing Jesus did: For exposing the hypocrisy and false teachings of the religious leaders of the time…. who incidentally spread lies about Jesus (saying he was a drunkard, glutton, and got his power from Satan).
So it’s no surprise that Jehovah’s Witnesses are hated and spoken against.
Lesson: Careful who you listen to. Satan is an evil and crafty being who’s trying to hide the truth from you… which you will NOT GET from most religions of today.

Jehovah’s Witnesses are NOT ” *persecuted” like Jesus was” anymore than any other group could claim the same.
LOOK!
Jehovah’s Witnesses commits door to door rape of child!
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16510/jehovahs-witness-in-door-to-door-sex-assault-scandal
It’s called PROSECUTION not persecution when you get nailed for your own sleazy evil

All of us, Jehovah’s witnesses or not, are imperfect. In all organizations of any size, especially in this wicked world, you will find vivid examples of imperfections.
No one of sound mind will ever claim that their group is perfect. God chooses to use people in his organization and he allows us in spite of our imperfections. Thats part of the trial we all need to take part in.
In no way do I support any of the inappropriate behavior mentioned above, but I did want to make the point that we are all imperfect and will fail repeatedly. Some failings are greater than others.
The rest of the points about PERsecution remain sound.

Amazing that these 2 brother stood up against Satan and his tactics! Its so hard working in a society where you have to be more dedicated to a job, than Jehovah! The biggest companys follow Jehovahs rules! They want us to be perfect christians and angel for the company, example…no drug use.cursing,stealing,lying or anything else that can cause a company profit to plummet! Shouldn’t we be christians and compassionite at all time, with all people for the betterment of society and our relationship with Jehovah! Not for profit company, but a profitable live styles for everyone!

Good for them!
I am glad the discrimination was faced and paid for. I am seriously sick of this whole Lawsuit mentality that is sweeping America but this is what was created for to Punish those who willingly and intentionally or neglectfully hurt others! Lawsuits are not for get rich quick scemes and lazy people but for cases like these.

The Jehovah’s Witness cult is an insidious organization that calls itself “Christian” yet it denies the fundamental doctrines of the Gospel and Bible. In other words, it is a fraud that sucks many women into its vortex of deception and chaos. It’s a typical religious organization that is self-righteous and full of error. Much error has come from this Cult
http://www.freeminds.org

Nothing will stop them from coming to your door!
They are a cult. They profess to talk about the Bible but they will not discuss that they believe that Jesus is the re-incarnation of Michael the Arc Angel, not part of the Trinity. That is how they got in trouble when Michael Jackson became a member, they thought that MJ was Jesus.
They don’t want to talk about them believing that only 140,000(I THINK THEY ARE CLAIMING A DIFFERENT AMOUNT NOW) will get to go to heaven and the rest of humanity will just die and rot in their graves!
They are taught, if they bother someone at their door and they get angry, The J.W.’s are confronting the Devil and that is a good thing.
They won’t discuss that their religion is a new one dating back to ONLY the 20th century. They also don’t discuss that their Prophets have told them that the world will come to an end numerous times since the cult started, and it hasn’t yet.
I could go on and on. They WILL NOT LEAVE YOU ALONE. They ignore “no soliciting” signs. If you tell them to not come back, they IGNORE that too.
THIS IS A CULT PEOPLE. The majority of men that join are brought into their temple by the women.
They are dishonest: I had a neighbor that stole my lawn mower and when I confronted him, he told me that he was a JW and he was just “BORROWING FROM EGYPT”.
Don’t you just love cults?