If this is what the sisters wished to do….I am happy with them.
It seems so unfortunate to me that so many Episcopalians and others are so fixated on sexual orientation that they can not go about their regular day to day activities.
Peace!

Whatever floats their little boats. The article said they were wearing traditional habits…that says something ….CONSERVATIVE in their ideas. Benny will be proud! He has snagged some of the nuns from the “fallen RCC’s AKA Episcopals.

right is right and homosexuality is a sin and is not endorsed in the scriptures. Get right church.

I’m with you on this one ps. Well said.

The Episcopalians have nuns? You learn something new everyday…

The media are portraying this as all about homosexuality. I don’t believe that. You don’t join a church because you are AGAINST something. The sisters probably feel that they do not get adequate support from the Episcopal hierarchy and that by belonging to an institution that has embraced relativism they are not living fully Christian lives. As a group that has always considered itself Catholic, though not Roman Catholic, their identification with Rome is nothing new…..As for homosexuality, Paul clearly condemns it but there are other issues that a lot of Christians take casually such as marriage. Jesus speaks directly to the issue, condemning it. Divorce and remarriage = adultery.

The Episcopalians could eventually be the first to have transgendered nuns (if I haven’t already missed something). The question is:
Would they wear habits?

lol funny, sad but funny.

The Byzantine tradition venerates many so-called “transvestite nuns,” Tome. But I suppose that’s not exactly what you’re thinking of–these were women who dressed like men and lives as men in men’s monasteries in places where monastic opportunities for women were not available.

NateW.: That is a very interesting bit of information…”transvestite nuns” ….I would have never imagined that would have occured.

I had not thought of that either PS, but why not, their bodies might change to opposites, but their souls stay the same.

Yes, Hentrietta, their souls would stay the same. I agree.

Nate I am sure I have heard of your example but I do think your use of the word “many” is very misleading.
pagan you have no proof that their “souls” would stay the same, foolish and misleading statement.
How on earth could a nun be a man and impersonate a woman and serve a unsuspecting person. How can a person live a lie and give truth.

Since ps agreed with me about their souls why do you feel misled by that belief ck?

And how could any married pastor who ever thought seriously about a woman not his wife, or any priest who thought seriously about any woman (or man), live such a lie and “give truth”?
But the amount of truth many pastors and priests give is seriously limited anyway, so don’t worry too much about it.
As for “souls” changing, interesting topic. cknuck under what circumstances do you think one’s “soul” might change? ps we agree on so much but I take it you have hopes for an afterlife. Hope it works.

No, nnmns, when I’m gone, I’m gone. ) Soul is the person’s inner self…their true personality…my definition …probably not the churches or that of a religious person. Just because the women took on the outward looks of a male priest/monk doesn’t mean to me that their true selves were changed. They still had their religious beliefs, but since there were no nuns they couldn’t dedicate themselves to the church any other way. Not sure that makes any sense to you…but that is the only way I can explain it. Thus I agree with Henrietta.
foolish and misleading statement? Do you have proof otherwise?

OOPS, the last statement in my previous post was to cknuck.

let’s see pagan agreed with H22, hmmm. It must be right; like I said foolish and misleading.

Whatever, cknuck, whatever.

Ok ps, thanks.
I understand some pills can change one’s personality; that used to be discussed but I haven’t seen anything about it for a long time. Anyway something that serious might have an impact on one’s personality. I think a lot of things do, for better and worse.
The old saying “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.” is nonsense. Often what doesn’t kill you makes you less sane. Of course being given surgically a body to match your character (for lack of a better word) might make you more sane.

What isn’t being discussed here is why people feel transgendered. After reading a story of a Professor who has lived this dilemma, and what the medical has to say about it, is: People can be born with both male and female genitalia. One or the other is more dominate, and sends out more like hormones into a persons physical body, this of course is why some feel as though they are men and some feel as though they are women. Characteristics of the most dominate hormones will lead them in the way they think and act. Years ago they would amputate the organ the parents didn’t want their child to be, as male or female. Sometimes it worked if they accidently removed the least dominate. Hormone study has shown how to proceed in these cases.
Science again trumps ck.

Perhaps in some cases, but there are many people who are clearly one (not hermaphrodites), yet choose to become the other (ie claim they are trapped in the wrong body). Science hasn’t come close (from what I’ve read) to solving this riddle.

Yes, Tom, but in the end IMO it will show hormones are at least part of the cause.

H22 you spout such inconclusive nonsense without scientific proof. If you claim science to be so important to you then why do you leap beyond it to guesswork. That’s not a question I know why. There is no scientific proof that marks any gene, hormone or trace of DNA that indicates homosexuality.

You are in a foul mood tonight cknuck. As for your need for scientific proof, here’s a good start.

Talk to someone else Cknuck, I’ve stopped listening to you.

nnmns, thanks for the link on your post….most interesting and helps back up what I have thought…one is born with one’s sexual preferences.

Thanks for the link, nnmns, missed it earlier. There was supposed to be more news on this in 2009, it said.

nnmns I’m rarely in a foul mood I just like to stick to the facts. Your article made this statement “If you can’t make a male attracted to other males by cutting off his penis, castrating him and rearing him as a girl, then how likely is any social explanation of male homosexuality?” he said.”
Who did the research on that one? Did they check out some of our jails? I know of plenty men who have been persuaded.
The fact is there is not one scientific research supporting the discovery of homosexual genes, hormones or DNA markers not one, and that is not because they haven’t spent enough money on it they have spent millions. Your article talks about hair growth patterns and that is ridiculous speculation with political agendas. Facts are facts H22 spouts about things that are not facts to promote a agenda.

I notice you are very careful and consistent with how you make your claim. But as the article points out there are genetic connections, and as time goes by more will be learned about them.

nnmns there are no genetic connections as proved by the fact that homosexuality shows up randomly without pattern. There is genetic patterns in hair color and eye color but homosexuality shares no such similarity. See I don’t have to be careful when dealing with facts. You have to be careful because you deal with a bunch of unproven emotional conjecture.

You seem to be following the “What I say is true whether it makes sense or not.” school of debate.
I’m out of here.

For the record, the Roman Catholic church has also recognized women who dressed as men and joined monasteries as saints.
I find it interesting that in today’s society a woman dressing as a man is considered far less objectionable than a man dressing as a woman. I think it’s probably because men enjoy less freedom of self-expression as we do and that is sad.
Nothing is more natural than love and nothing should be more normal than being comfortable in your own skin.

“”…I’m out of here…”"
Can’t stand the heat? Know when you are beat?
You can run…but then you run right back in again…
git a’holt a’ yerse’f, now, gunslinger…theys a’ gonna shoot you in the back!

Nothing that atheists, pagans and nominalists have to say about Christianity is true. They deny the very basis of their own arguments.
Denying God, they yet use His own Word against Him and His faithful.
Take your disbelief outta here.
There can be no patience for evil intent.
The audacity of duplicity.

You need new rhetoric, GC.
And what has the last post got to do with Nuns in the Episcopal church joining the RCC? That would be nothing.

“Nothing that atheists, pagans and nominalists have to say about Christianity is true.”
Oh really? That’s quite an absolute statement. If you ever clear your head of all of your distorted thoughts you may find the peace your savior taught.

Confessoressa: GC is all about absolutes…no tolerance for any thoughts that differ from his. In his mind he knows all there is to know.

…I think we should continue the ad hominems.
And continue them until they begin to replace truth.
That is the only way you can continue denying God.
Ridicule the faith and the faithful.
Rhetoric is the stronghold and refuge of the liberal.
They don’t have any thing else.
That is why entire groups can form that conspire to kill innocent babies while in their Mother’s womb. They exist to discredit truth when it is to their advantage.
Trouble is, truth is immutable and so liberals try to talk it into submission. Rhetoric is the only way they can disguise the truth enough to discredit it.
They make evil seem good and good seem evil. But it is all words.
The audacity of liberal “thought”.

Yes, GC, as you said “But it is all words”.
Yours no more truthful than anyone elses.
Love it! The audacity of liberal “thought”. Key word..”thought”.
Liberals question, and think. They don’t just “accept.”
Truth for one person is not truth for another.

“”…Truth for one person is not truth for another…”"
The central and sufficient Liberal tenet/lie which may lead to a Liberal “thought”/idea. “Thought”, being in quotes, indicates usage beyond the norm. To illustrate, let’s look at normal usage of the word;Conservative thought will carry the day. See? No quotes.
“”…Truth for one person is not truth for another…”"
The core idea of the lost, who cling to vapor and gain much less.

If I wasn’t having so much fun reading your posts, I’d have stopped long ago. They get more humorous each time.

Power statements from a pagan! A dizzying blow! A TKO!
When you don’t have anything, you’ll say just about anything.
Episcopal nuns have enough sense to leave a sinking ship.
Pagans get a bad name from their own kind.
But then, that’s all that pagans can muster with duplicity, lies and travesty as their only forms of communication.

Whatever, GC. You have a particular problem coming up with anything other than put downs. Christian? I think not.
Yes, the nuns joined the RCC. Not much difference in the churches…except the Episcopals allow their love to extend to all.
There is a place in this wide world for all religions/faiths and for those who don’t believe. You represent what is not the best of Christianity, IMO. So, It’s been nice, but that’s all there is for me on this particular article.

GC,
You are incapable of defending your own arguments when they come up against debate. It is all a one sided diatribe on your part.
Pathetic.

“”..You are incapable of defending your own arguments…”"
“Defense” is a strong word. My position needs no “defense”.
We are engaged in a clash of worldviews, so mutually exclusive that it is absurd to believe there can be common ground. Pathos is not applicable.
Truth can feel malicious, can be bitter to take. But it remains truth.
God is.
I cannot defend that. It is absolute.

“God is” GC
God is? Just WHAT is she?
Nothing is absolute….

…so, your comment is meaningless.
“Nothing is absolute”…is not that an absolute?
Yer jes a li’l goofball airn’t ye?
(jis joshin’ ye in m’ “native” di’lect)
‘scuse me. I got’s ta take me monthly bath now.
Christians can have fun!

Yes, GC, Christians can have fun (if that is what the above was supposed to be?) and so can Pagans…. and Buddhists,HIndus, Muslims,Jews, etc. Hope you enjoyed the bath….
Enjoy your absolute creation.

Is it absolute or isn’t it?
God is absolute.
God’s truth is absolute.
You can not present absolutes.

As has been said more than a few times, GC, it is your opinion, not held by me or a lot of other folks, that there is a god that is absolute. Thus, you can not present absolutes. Thus your comments are meaningless.

You are a sad, sad little debater. Repeating mistakes will not win you any points.
And with repeated self-contradictory statements, you are going into negative territory.
I hate to say this, but I won’t be pointing out your mistakes anymore.
It seems pointless and hopelessly optimistic.

There are no absolutes, GC….absolutely.
Sleep well.

“I hate to say this, but I won’t be pointing out your mistakes anymore. It seems pointless and hopelessly optimistic.” GC )

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