Hmm, Vatican Newspaper, Pope. I wonder just who is in charge of whose job there.

Papal infallibibity?? Total doctrinal error. Jesus only is infallible. Sounds like Kung hit a nerve and the Pope struck back. No worry Kung. You don’t need a license to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, just the guidance of the Holy Ghost!!

From what I’ve been reading of the Vatican of late, I’m on Kung’s side.

Benny will get you if you don’t behave! Whatever. Freedom of the press rules. Maybe the truth hurts.

The Pope, as God’s representative on earth, is infallible on matters of faith and morals as it is not he who speaks but the Holy Ghost through him, and as such, is incapable of error. The Holy Ghost obviously does not work through Protestant circles much as that explains their 30,000 plus sects, each with their own theology and interpretation of the Bible. There is only one truth…which the Catholic Church safeguards. But there will be those that reject it, as the truth hurts sometimes.
Kung is no more Catholic than the Dhali Lama. Being Catholic involves accepting all of the Catechism, of which Kung obviously likes to pick and choose what he likes and discard the rest.
And the Anglican question is a response to faithful Anglicans whose sects have left them behind and persued a course of apostasy. As a generous shepherd, the Pope has graciously given them an outstreched hand to escape the turmoil they currently experience. As a result, hundreds of thousands of Anglicans will be absorbed into the Catholic Church, including one sect en masse: the Traditional Anglican Communion. Now that is true ecumenism!

Now that, YN, is faith. Not sense, not logic, nothing proven there just a claim that’s meaningless to many of us and probably painful to several Catholics who have to live with the Church’s nonsense or dread going to hell. And the pope seems intent on filling the Church with more people who would tend to believe this nonsense.
My heart goes out to those who feel they are trapped in this travesty of a meaningful religion. Please, people, don’t bring your children up to also be trapped in a web of nonsensical beliefs.

The Holy Ghost speaks through Benny and he is incapable of error? YN, no one is incapable of error. Benny is a human being and makes mistakes just like the rest of us mortals. If he wore pants, he’d put them on one leg at a time just like everyone else. So since he wears a dress like outfit, he gets into just like all others who choose to wear a dress…steps in or over the head. He is a man, and he goofs too. Didn’t he just get over breaking his wrist? Man. He got voted into office by human beings to be top dog.

Since PB, in his previous life as Cardinal Ratzinger, sent all bishops a letter ordering them to keep church investigations and evidence secret from the local authorities. So he was very complicit in the abuse of those children by allowing abusers to escape criminal penalties and, in many cases, abuse again.
So, when the Holy Ghost is in PB controlling his mouth, does the HG feel soiled? Does it wash itself in holy water after it withdraws from PB? I want to know what the theologists here think about these important issues.

Do individuals such as Pagan sister and nnmns actually have a life or do they just spend their time trolling and insulting. Just a thought.

I, for one, have a life. And those are valid questions, if a bit whimsical. I notice you didn’t address them.

I see in questioning in your comments, only statements of your views.Abuse was and is a stain upon Church authorities, however making the leap to your comments about the Holy Spirit just illuminate your world view.
The Church are not alone in these hurtful (criminal) actions; however they do seem to attract the unbalanced attention of those concerned for the protection of children.That is to say, positions of authority over children attract potential and real child abusers. However it seems to me that the Church is held responsible, and rightfully so, but no other institution comes under the same level of examination.
I stand by my thought that no statement of mine or any other will shift thoughts implicit in your statement. By the way yours

“positions of authority over children attract potential and real child abusers”
I absolutely agree. The differences between institutions come in what is done to prevent the possibility of abuse (by always having others around, open doors or at least clear windows, background checks and openness with the community and authorities. The Church failed for decades, probably centuries on those things; I hope it’s doing better now. Other institutions where such failures occur should be called to attention, too. And I imagine they often are but there are institutions that seem to be kept out of public scrutiny pretty much, like fundamentalist religious compounds. I worry about what’s happening in places like that. I hope you do, too.
But let’s face it, when Your Name talked about the Holy Ghost speaking through the pope, who did issue the letter that ordered investigations and evidence be kept secret, it was too good to pass up. If y’all didn’t have those fantastical beliefs we wouldn’t have those fantastic opportunities.

I do like your image of clear windows and the Church, at least in my personal experience have taken steps to prevent these crimes from happening again. But I stand by my thought that places such as schools, scouting and other institutions have not been opened to public criticism to the same extent as the Church.On your other point the Holy Spirit is an item of faith. I consider no different than the “Big Ban” which is accepted at true even though even to it demands a level of faith as well. And let me be clear I do believe in its existence as well.

Kung has been a hole in the papal sock for decades. There is no reason to think that b16 would be any different than his predecessor – if anything he would cause Kung greater aggravation. I guess it is good to know that Kung is still there wearing away at the walls of the Vatican. A sure sign of the Apocalypse will be if King and b16 agree on anything.

Cannuk:
My life is fantastic, in answer to your inquiry. As for my statements? Only call it is I see it.
The RCC has made and continues to make mistakes…being forced to finally face up to them. Obviously they aren’t the only organization with sick people taking advantage of their positions…with children and adults. The RCC just happens to be a really large organization…which they like, considering that in their eyes, they are IT, THE only TRUE faith on the face of the earth. They’re not, but they like to think so.

Cannuk I don’t want to get into an argument with you because I think we can get along. But I must point out that the Big Bang is not an article of faith in the same sense as the “Holy Spirit”. The Big Bang is accepted by a lot of knowledgeable people because it explains several things that have been observed in the last several years. I think there are a few cosmologists/astronomers who are looking at alternatives and that’s fine. And if they come up with something that explains things better, the Big Bang would be replaced. I doubt anything like that’s happening in Catholic theology.
So since the idea of the Big Bang was not around from the beginning and is based on a lot of high-powered thinking and explains observations, I do have some faith in it. But if some higher-powered (or luckier) thinker comes up with a better idea and is able to sell it to the knowledgeable people I’m willing to jump. Science doesn’t guarantee it’s right but when it changes it’s done for a reason and it’s usually an improvement. Religion may change emphasis but it has these consistent ideas like the “Holy Spirit” that are based on almost nothing but faith. So be it.

Just listen who’s talking! Lies? Inaccuracies?
Glass houses?

Kung is wrong and Benedict is right.
Let the rabble in Kung’s mouth fall on the deaf ears that have brought Anglican gay activists to power.
Christians are Christians and those Anglicans leaving the evil being preached in those Church Of England buildings are doing well.

It’s very sad that people believe the pope is infallible and speaking as God’s mouthpiece on earth. Why do people believe it? Basically, because they’ve been told to believe it and discouraged from questioning it but I’m here to tell you that once you release yourself from the fear and question whether this is the truth, you will find that love and grace do not dissapear from your life and a whole lot of fear drops away. It’s a very nice feeling and I’m glad that after 18 years of propaganda I had the courage to do just that.

Confessoressa: “…..after 18 years of propaganda I had the courage to do just that.” Congratulations! That was an excellent move.

Todd,
Lighten up, guy. You are starting to come off more as a Toad.

Dr Kung is not wrong, our Pope is trying to undo all that Vatican II did. The Church must change and go forward not back, not to change does not mean we stay the same – we regress!
Hans Kung has ligitimately challenged the “management committee – the establishment”, for too long we have been told what to do, these days we are better informed and are a thinking people, we will not be put off by the old propaganda.