The United States of America is as responsible for this legislation as Uganda itself.
For when the leader of the free world creates laws and legislation that directly harms and discriminates against gay citizens, the rest of the world perceives the A-OK from America that gay citizens are to be treated as second-class citizens by Government.
That Uganda has applied its own barbaric twist to it should not be a surprise to ANY gay citizen ANYWHERE.
It is not only in Uganda that they wish to kill us. It is all over the world, and certainly right here in our own country.
This is the beginning of a world-wide religious genocide against gay citizens. This legislation in Uganda will spread to other barbaric countries and will ultimately land in the lap of the United States.
That a heterosexual human being is even able to utter the word ‘morality’ in 2009 without immediately bursting into flames is proof of no God. It makes me physically ill to imagine what kind of a species (heterosexuals) are even CAPABLE of this type of behavior toward their very own offspring.
Morality indeed, heterosexuals.
Morality. Indeed.

Four reasons why we Africans will defend our culture;
1- The people of Uganda existed and survived before the WEST came in to give “support” and will continue to survive with or without handouts from abroad.
We would rather live in grass huts with our morality than in skyscrapers among homosexuals.
2-We Ugandans will ignore criminal colonialists, descendants of slave traders and imperialists who are keen to undermine and berate African societies with their homosexual neo-colonialism. Homosexual tendency is a birth/behavioral defect. The perverted homosexual behavior IS LEARNED. Persecution of gays has been part of / and is still part of Western history also most recently by the nazis and communists.
3-So after allowing gays, next is bestiality, pedophilia ? Human right to sleep with your dog, cat, horse etc…?
I just pity men who want to wear pumpers like little ones because the anal sphincters can no longer hold! Homosexuality is simply unnatural and countries which claim to be “liberal” should better learn to respect us. After all we never mingle in their internal affairs.
Shame on you homophobic homos
4- Seriously though, if you care so much about men who have anal sex with other men, why not invite them over and give them asylum. That way your headache will be cured and you will have helped remove an abomination from our midst.
Lest I forget, you can then cut your ‘aid’. China is lurking somewhere around and watching with keen interest.

Ugandan Native, you are a disgusting human being that deserves to live in the poverty and ignorance that you do.
May God have mercy on your soul, if your disgusting country has left you with one at all.
I notice you make no mention of gay women? Is that becasue it gets you off to watch 2 gay women have sex or something?
You are a pig.

Well, Uganda accepted Idi Amin for years, so no shocker on this.
A savage culture. Useless to the West.

Rowen Williams has to come to terms as to what is causing the Ugandans to think the way they do. He and other Ministers of Christian Denominations have within their power and bully pulpit to stop this demeaning of GLBT. Some are doing it, like the Anglicans of America, Lutherans, UCC, Unity, Unitarians, etc. The rest of you are not, and here we have this Ugandan Issue of killing, etc.. Bill, the Senators Rachel Maddox has told the U.S. about, members of “The Family”, The minister of Saddleback Church she has mentioned, and any one else she mentioned are the Americans that have had their mouths in this, and represented themselves as our government. This is serious enough for President Obama to do something contructive to help this hate. Get DOMA and DADT over and done with, to show that our GLbT citizens are not second class citizens, to Uganda, and to the world.
Bill I know where your anger is coming from, but all heterosexual people are not against you, not all Christians are against you either. In fact we’ve all been informing the truth over and over again for years.

WOW! I certainly know what country I’ll never visit…Uganda. And I’m not gay! Fortunately I have a feeling that UN is a horrible representative of a person from that country…at least I hope he isn’t typical of the countrie’s inhabitants. That would be more than sick! And he has the nerve to call himself a Christian?? That’s a joke. He is a great representative of Love, huh? UN, human doesn’t apply to you. You are so much less.
Scott R., Well said!!!
Rowan Williams condemns the anti-discrimination laws in Uganda? He didn’t say anything without pressure. His lack of support for the gay bishops certainly underminds his supposed power.

Williams will face more and more of these situations as he shows his preference for the old ways still practiced, indeed exaggerated in parts of the global south.
Let’s remember we don’t really know where Ugandan Native is from or whom he represents. He might even be a minion of “the Family”.

I’m actually surprised Rowan said anything. I assumed he was perfectly okay with letting gays and lesbians be murdered in Uganda as long as he didn’t appear to be condoning us in America. The fundamentalists will likely hate him now as they have begun to hate Rick Warren. Will he be surprised?

Scott rarely has a point he is blinded by his passion for homosexuality and racial bigotry. If you are going to judge Uganda then you have to take into account the rape of the land by the Germans and English including enslavement, rape of natural resources taking all the gold enslaving cotton field workers killing murdering and raping the people as they were considered as Scott imagines worthless. With poverty, diseases like AIDS as the byproduct of Uganda’s relationship with white colonizers how dare you judge them. They may just see homosexuality as another by product of western influence. I don’t agree with their treatment of homosexuals but I can understand the concern of the possible spread of the behavior.

The church just might be saving homosexuals from death sentences the area has a muderous history.

There you go again attacking people cknuck.
As for Uganda, I agree the Europeans were hard on them as indeed the West has been on much of the world. But would we fail to judge a third world country if it attacked, say, Christians (who’ve had a lot more to do with enslavement and robbing natural resources than homosexuals have)?

ck homosexuality doesn’t “spread”. It’s not a disease, unlike “Christian” ignorance, bigotry and prejudice. That is a disease, of which you are hopelessly afflicted. I can’t believe you would even begin to try and rationalize the murder of innocent people.

MN you have no clue what causes homosexuality. I do know that people have been influenced into homosexuality. My statement earlier is an attempt to understand th4 mindset of the Ugandan “people.”
nnmns sometimes I wonder what world you are in. In Africa there have been attacks on Christians, oh yeah they were noit white so that may not qualify for you anymore than the Christians in China or India.
“In order to understand any culture first one must have a desire to understand them anything else is war.”

Wow ck, way to be ignorant. I do know that you can’t spread homosexuality. The medical experts all agree on that point. Has anyone ever come across a homosexual recruiting station or a recruiter? I haven’t. Give me proof and specific examples of people that you know first hand were recruited. No one is ever swayed into being homosexual. Your position is inept and laughable. The more you speak the more convinced I am that you are a fool.
Oh and nice job playing the race card against nnmns. You call me a fruitcake, a gay slur, on another comment section and then claim racism, wow that is an impressive display of bigotry and hypocrisy.

There’s little point in engaging cknuck because he can’t read.
He said we can’t judge Uganda (on their barbaric stance on homosexuality) unless you take account of what’s been done to them by the west.
I agreed the West had done bad things in Africa then I pointed out there would not be that failure to judge them if they similarly attacked Christians (which would make more sense since almost all the Westerners who did those things to Uganda were Christians).
cknuck somehow concluded from that I was claiming Christians had never been attacked in Africa. I of course never said any such thing and if I had it would have been off the point.
Or maybe cknuck can read but he saw that as just one more chance to attack someone he disagrees with.

nnmns your double standard of what is an attack is very convenient for you.
Mostly what was done to Ugandans have nothing to do with Christianity, it had to do with slavery, robbery, and exploitation none of those things are attributes of Christianity I can read that much. Maybe you should read the words of Christ over and tell me where you find those things taught by Him.

MN I did not call you a fruitcake I was talking about your thinking process, as in nutty as a fruitcake. I have never once called a homosexual anything but a homosexual I don’t even use the word gay because it has nothing to do with being homosexual, so your accusations are baseless. But if you want to carry that burden I cannot stop you.

Nice bit of back-peddling there ck. I would be more inclined to believe you if I didn’t see how often you insult the commentors on these boards.
How funny that you don’t think slavery and exploitation have anything to do with Christianity. Just do a quick google search on Southern Baptists and there vehement fight to keep slavery in the United States. All of their arguments were based on scripture of course. Organized religion since its inception and its exploitation of the ignorant and feeble-minded has been a plague on this world.
I also like how you decide what words mean too. Your world must be so amazing. If you don’t like something you simply refuse to acknowledge it. I have decided to follow your example. I will no longer call restrooms restrooms because they have nothing to do with rest. Oh and I will only refer to things sent by delivery as packages because shipments have nothing to do with ships and cargo has nothing to do with cars.
So tell me, what color is the sky in your fantasy world? Is it still blue or do you have something against that? You should stop calling yourself Christian because your idea of it has nothing to do with being Christian. You should make up a new religion. I don’t know maybe it could be The Grand Order of the Ignorant, Prejudice and Proud. You would have lots of followers and you’re quite fit to lead it.

Mn what you do with restrooms is your business, you say you have followed my post and if you did you would know I don’t back peddle! It’s a waste of my time to communicate with you all emotion and no substance.

Just as it’s a waste of time to communicate with you ck because you’re all ignorance and no reason.

What the ugandans think.
http://ugandagaybill.wordpress.com/

As a Ugandan, I know people in the West are quick to berate and undermine anything African…as barbaric or primitive. The West presents its culture as universal–using terms as human rights, universal freedom, global war on terror etc….The assumption is that other societies can only become civilized if they abandon their
cultures and embrace the Western ethos. Behind this agenda there is race, racism and racialism….this is intended to subjugate non Western peoples. On the surface, it appears to be just homosexuality but there is a deeper meaning…a cultural and racial war. That’s why the more gay activists (most of them are Westerners) make noise, the more agitated we Africans will become. And this will lead to the total annihilation of gays in Africa ( you can also add Middle East and Asia).
Have you ever heard Europeans or Americans condemn Saudi Arabia or Asian countries for their laws against homosexuality? ( they are even more harsh). Why do Western countries specifically point out African
countries? Why is the West so obsessed with homosexuality in Africa yet we have more pressing problems like lack of education, clean water, poor health, poverty etc… This is pure RACISM with a colonial mentality. Why care about homosexuality so much but ignore the welfare of the people?

Why care about homosexuality so much but ignore the welfare of the people? Because GLBT are people, too. When people are so ignorant of science and what makes humans tick that they believe that if they rape a baby they will be cured of AIDS, is this pathic or what Jacky Chan? Is this what you want to be so proud of and need no help to understand otherwise? Did you read our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s speech recently about Human Rights? You should, it will interest you, and everyone else that disrespects GLBT.

H22 he makes a point you are more than ready to force acceptance of homosexuality down their throats but that is a small population in the context of the depressed population there so the hell with all of the other points chan brought up just don’t jail homosexuals and continue your poverty. He also pointed out that other places are even more severe and you focus on raping babies which proves your savage notions about a people you wish to westernize by culture but not financially. I repeat you have to know and care about the culture to know how you can bring change and at what speed otherwise you just declare war on them. Chan thanks for voicing your views hopefully we can become a culture that can listen and care.

So Jacky, murdering innocent people for no other reason than just because isn’t barbaric?? What Saudi or Asian laws are harsher than death? I don’t need to know anything about a culture to know killing innocent people is wrong. With your logic we should all be more tolerant of slavery because it is now and has been really a cultural norm in many countries. We should be more tolerant of Chinese sweat shops and child labor practices because really it’s just their culture right?
You’re right though, we horrible westerners should completely stay out of African politics and culture. We should pull out all support, financial, medical, and certainly political. We should leave the culture to sort out its own problems and commit genocide as they see fit. In fact HIV surfaced in Africa so really it’s their problem and they should deal with it as they deem necessary. If that means murdering people they believe might spread it then I say what an interesting and thoughtful solution. Yay Uganda!! The CDC says African Americans are the fastest growing group to spread HIV in the United States so I guess we should follow the cultural example of Uganda and have them imprisoned or worse right? I love that you don’t think murdering homosexuals have anything to do with the welfare of the people. It speaks volumes as to your prejudice against them. I also love that you’re trying to rationalize murder with racial and cultural bias.

My previous comment was rife with sarcasm if any of you were questioning it.

Once again ck you’re making stuff up. Did H22 say anything about forcing acceptance of homosexuality? Nope. She is talking about tolerance. Not murdering a minority group of people because you find them icky is not acceptance, it’s tolerance. I don’t really expect you to understand that concept though because you’re blinded by religious and racial prejudice. It’s all so black and white for you so in your fantasy land if you’re not condoning murdering homosexuals then you’re obviously condoning and confirming homosexuality as acceptable. Your reasoning abilities are beyond lacking. And ck, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Since when do you listen or care?? Oh wait these are Africans and since you are a racist you hold your own race in higher regard than the rest of humanity.

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FYI, cknuck is a Black man. Just thought I’m mention that since your last statement is ” Oh wait these are Africans and since you are a racist you hold your own race in higher regard than the rest of humanity.”

I wasn’t going to say anything once the race card started being played, because I knew nothing good could come of it. But I’ve heard some thoroughly disgusting things that couldn’t go without comment.
cknuck, while you’re being all “understanding”, the gays of Uganda live under the threat of mass murder.
Oh, justify it for us, c. “You’re not being fair! It’s not the Africans’ fault if they’re violent. Their ancestors were enslaved.” Really? You’re gonna try that argument? What would Dr. King say to that?
“In Africa there have been attacks on Christians, oh yeah they were noit white so that may not qualify for you anymore than the Christians in China or India.” Yeah, turn this into something that’s all about you people and how oppressed you are.
Jacky Chan: “the more gay activists (most of them are Westerners) make noise, the more agitated we Africans will become. And this will lead to the total annihilation of gays in Africa ( you can also add Middle East and Asia).”
Where have I heard that reasoning before? Oh yeah, from the conservative Muslims. “How dare you call us backwards and savage? We’ll see who’s backward and savage when we wipe all the infidels off the face of the earth!”
“Have you ever heard Europeans or Americans condemn Saudi Arabia or Asian countries for their laws against homosexuality?” I’ve heard myself condemning them plenty of times.
I’ve had it with all of these third-world hellholes telling us how backwards and decadent we are because some of our men have sex with men and some of our women have sex with women. “Ewww, that’s so gross!” Why don’t we focus on how damn decadent you are for murdering your own citizens?

Every single thing that I say, nnmns says, pagansister says, jestrfyl says, well anybody says, you Ck, turn it around and make it come out to better your ignorant explanations of our postings. Read about what the Ministers have to say about being nasty and arguing with anyone that disagrees with you, in tonights news on beliefnet. It’s a perfect article for you, and it’s just two or three clicks away for you to read. It describes you to a T.

H22 if you think I talk this way to rational people then you are wrong. People like you who will say anything all the time to promote your agenda are not worth the repeated efforts to reason with. People like Mordred ask me what would Dr. King would say when I marched with him and I am confident he would not promote homosexual marriage. I am trying to be understanding about the Ugandan situation with homosexuals you are being irrational and just a bunch of mouth, if you really have passion do what I would do, go there and save the homosexuals, or you can do what you do, nothing.

H22 it funny your quoted an atricle that states the group was born out of a incident where there was an attack on a Black family.

cknuck, if believing that’s it’s wrong to kill people because of who they have sex with is irrational, then I don’t want to be rational. And I don’t believe for one second that Dr. King would hear about this insanity in Uganda and these other countries and say “oh it’s understandable, their ancestors were enslaved.”

That’s not what I said do you need a class or two?
mordred quote, ” if believing that’s it’s wrong to kill people because of who they have sex with is irrational, then I don’t want to be rational”
Is that a song, can you sing a few more verses? “if loving you is wrong then I don’t want to be right.” are you stealing Luther Ingram’s song, I know Barbara Mandrell did but you?

ck says…
“People like you who will say anything all the time to promote your agenda are not worth the repeated efforts to reason with.”
Well if that isn’t the perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black then I certainly don’t know what is. Honestly though I have never heard you try to reason with any of us ck. All you do is spout ignorance then when you cannot backup you ignorant and bigoted position with proof, you just insult us.
ck your “understanding of the Ugandan situation with homosexuals”, ie their wanton disregard for human life, is about the best proof of your extreme bigotry I have seen so far. How can you possibly be “understanding” of MURDER?! Are you as understanding when it comes to the KKK’s position that all blacks should die to purify the white race? It is the same principle as the Ugandan ‘situation’ after all. And pagansister says you’re not evil. Pagansister you are absolutely wrong on this one I’m afraid. ck is the embodiment of evil and all performed in god’s name no less. How disgusting.
ck I’m saddened that Dr. King had to walk with you. He paid the ultimate price in his struggle to afford African Americans basic human rights in the United States and here you stand being “understanding” of a tyrannical majority that is actively trying to take away a minority groups fundamental right to live. Dr. King was a good and brilliant man and I believe he would be absolutely ashamed of you.

Hi pagansister. Yeah I know ck is black. I meant he is a black racist. His comments are obvious proof of racial bias towards blacks was the point of that sentence you referenced.

Wasn’t sure the way I read the quote commented on, MN.

You have as usual, conveniently skipped over a very important part of my last post Cknuck. Have you read Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton’s address to our nation and the world on “Human Rights”? You can tell her by mail, e-mail, in person, that she has an agenda, and a mouth, because I say the same as H.C. She and I are very rational people. If you don’t agree with all of us or H.C., just put what you believe, and stop using our names to bounce your beliefs off of. I really don’t want to address you at all but sometimes you leave no choice.

MN quote, “Hi pagansister. Yeah I know ck is black.”
MN does understand I am black be MN called me the N-word in response to me saying Mn was using fruitcake reasoning as in nutty as a fruitcake. MN needs a villain so bad its sad.
MN my point is this when there was genocide you didn’t have as much to say as you do for imprisonment so get off of your high horse and if you are as passionate as you claim go do something about it or do you only have cyber-stones the courage to moan and groan on in cyberspace but not in real life.

Wow ck you’re still not able to do anything but insult me. You didn’t answer any of my questions, gave no proof, no debate, no listening, no care. Surprise surprise. How can you lie about me supposedly calling you the n-word, imply I’m not a humanitarian when you don’t know me at all and then admonish me for throwing stones?! Do you seriously not see your own hypocrisy?? Are you mentally impaired? At this point that’s the only logical conclusion I can see for your inane comments. Well that or insanity.
ck the posts where you called me a fruitcake and are now accusing me of calling you the n-word are still out there. Go cut and paste them in here to prove I called you that. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.” I believe that’s commandment number 9 you just broke. Chock up more proof of ck’s evil.
If anyone would like to witness ck’s lie for them self just go look at the comments for the “Episcopal Church Membership Drops by 3 Percent” article in the news section.
ck I don’t need a villain, you just are one.

MN when the tsunami hit India we went and supplied food water and clothing, Katrina the same, as so with many parts of Africa. We never interfered with the government or culture yet many folk like you often accuse us of things like that. What can you do in Uganda? Oh I can answer that, nothing. The next best thing for any kind of change is to try to understand. You need a villain so you attack me as if I agree with Ugandan policies, I don’t but I do try to understand the culture and I advise others to do the same. If you think the US is going to go to war because of how that gov treats homosexuals you are a fool no oil no help. But you can go if you are so passionate as you claim (I doubt it) or you can continue to call me names and flex your cyber-stones because you don’t have real ones. I don’t need to like you because I am a Christian.

The Archbishop has been very slow to criticize his friends in Uganda. There still has been no official condemnation of the proposed Ugandan legislation from Lambeth. I am an Anglican priest and deeply shamed by the bigotry of my leadership. This Archbishop of Canterbury is a moral disaster.

ck you are not Christian. Understanding of murder is not Christian.

It’s about time the Archbishop said something. I am appalled at reading the hate messages on other Christian sites like the “Christian” Post by those who support this bill. No Christian would support this bill and those who do support it are no better than terrorists.