I wonder if it is a constitution violation how come the framers did not take action and they actually displayed the big ten themselves. How can it all of a sudden become a violation and historical monuments have to be challenged. petty.

Where did the framers display the big ten?
The ten (?!) commandments are pretty strange nowadays.
Nobody brought most of us out of Egypt because most of us have never been there. It would be fun to go, though.
I guess the idol part depends on how you define “idol”, which the Bible apparently doesn’t do. It seems unnecessary to warn against making an idol out of the water under the earth. That might be well water, it might be sewage but in either case it would be poor material for an idol.
Now about punishing children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the iniquitous (talk about bad morals!) what about someone whose one set of grand parents were bad but the other set were good so “God” swears to punish them for one set and to show them steadfast love for the other. Which is controlling there? Inquiring minds want to know.
About this wrongful use stuff, does that include preachers who make wrong claims about what “God” wants or demands or did or will do? That would seem to be the most harmful kind of wrongful use of “His” name. What do y’all think?
Note I didn’t get to the part about either redeeming donkeys with lambs or else breaking their necks. There is so much in the Bible that, I’m guessing, gets really short shrift in most Sunday schools.

nnmns question/quote, “Where did the framers display the big ten?”
Not only did the founders value the Ten Commandments and have them posted congress also published a bible and supplied every school with one for curriculum. nnmns if you are seriously in search for answers to some of your difficult bible questions then go to church

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If the ten commandments can be prominantly displayed on the US supreme court building, they can certainly be displayed at a county courthouse. What a no-brainer.

What I never get is how Christians are so ignorant about their own holy book that they think the Ten Commandments apply to every one. First of all, in Hebrew, they are called the ‘Ten Statements’ and not Commandments. Secondly, these statements are given in the context of a covenant being made between God and the Israelites, i.e. the Jews. This is not a list of commandments for all humanity. Certainly, some of the commandments apply to all people (no murdering, no stealing etc), but not because they are among these ten statements, but because they are a part of the covenant God made with Noah following the flood, which is applicable to all humans in the Biblical point of view. This is Bible 101 stuff, but most Christians are clueless about this. From the Jewish point of view the obligations laid out in the Ten Statements are no more or less important than any of the other mitzvot (commandments) laid out in the Torah for the Jewish people.

Kauko you bible 101 sounds more like you took us around the block and back again, (confusion) either they are applicable to all people or not but from your short commentary it seems you want it both ways in order to flex your superior knowledge the average Christian is not privy to.

Why are they either applicable to everyone or not? You say that as if it were self evident, when its not. And yes, it is Bible 101 stuff that the laws given in the Torah to Moses are part of a covenant God made with the Israelites and those rules only apply to them. Just because you’re not aware of that doesn’t make me wrong about this. And if you want me to ‘flex my superior knowledge’ well then let me just throw modesty out the window and say that my time in college was spent as a Religious Studies major with a focus in Hebrew Bible and Biblical Hebrew. So, may I go so far as to suggest that I’m not entirely ignorant on the subject.

If you need an example of this, lets take the commandment to observe the Sabbath. Who is commanded to observe it? Look at Exodus 31:12-17. The obligation to observe it is given only to the ‘children of Israel’ and no one else. “The children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath thoughout the ages as a COVENANT for all time: it shall be a sign for all time between Me and the people of Israel.” (Exodus 31:16-17). Clearly, observing the Sabbath, according to the Bible, is an obligation only for this one group of people and not everyone. The New Testament recognizes this, read Acts chapter 15.

cknuck I repeat where, exactly, and when did the framers display the big ten themselves, as you claimed.
As for going to church to learn about the Bible, based on what a lot of Christians don’t seem to know about it that would be a waste of time unless I was pretty careful where I went. But just what question about the Bible of mine were you referring to?

Kauko, I would never disrespect your college religion course and at the same time I introduce Jesus, who in the time of His ministry on the earth was no respecter of such knowledge as a matter of fact he didn’t spend much time with them. He is the reason for Christians like myself and although He pointed out the “TWO” He also remarked that He did not come to change the law. That puts Christians under the “TEN”. Yes at the time Moses brought the TEN to the Jewish people they were for them, but God created all for all to Christians that’s why He sent His Son, but I guess to you that’s exclusionary too, because of the whole “whosoever” thing, which is a inclusive thing.

nnmns, The Ten Commandments are etched into a wall of the Supreme Court
John Quincy Adams, Sixth President of the USA
“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
” Vain indeed would be the search among the writings of secular history to find so broad, so complete and so solid a basis of morality as the Ten Commandments lay down.”
James Madison, Fourth President of the USA
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart. We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity… to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]
nnmns they all had copies of the Ten Commandments in their homes and in public display. They never had any intentions that displaying the TEN would be illegal, anything else is a bold lying attempt to fool those who don’t know.

Was this “display” permanent or just for a short time? Article doesn’t say. Short time is a display, permanent means it is really trying to influence someone…along with the other historical items.
IMO the 10 commandments can be summed up with” Do as ye will as long as it harm none”. That pretty much covers murder, rape, “coveting thy neighbor’s wife, or ass or something”, stealing and all the rest. Much simpler than learning 10 rules, when one covers it all.

When are they going to get serious and put in some real immutable laws like Murphy’s or Sturgeon’s (which is “90% of everything is [scrap]“, not his actual word, but this is a family site). Why is this religious stuff so important if we ignore the first couple of commandments and focus on the remaining ones? Even King David broke almost all of them and was forgiven!
These granite blocks are really just so much smoke and mirrors for more nefarious and questionable tactics by the promoters who want little more than to simply tell other people what to do without having to obey the same rules themselves. To which I offer a loud and hearty, “HAH”!

My ‘college religion course’, I love how you try to belittle it to make it seem it was one class and not the near decade I spent studying the Hebrew Bible and reading it in its original language in college. And your typical recourse to claiming that actually learning about something is somehow inferior to claiming ignorance in the name of Jesus. I also love how consistant you are in replying to people. You never address any actual points and facts people bring up and instead dismiss someone’s whole argument in a few words and make no effort in anyway to address anyone else’s comments. That’s a terribly dishonest and intellectually lazy way of engaging in a discussion/ debate.
You made the unsupported claim that either the laws of the Hebrew Bible have to apply to everyone or no one, and then you turn around and make another unsupported claim that Jesus somehow obligated Christians to follow the 10 commandments, which I have never seen in any Gospels I’ve read. Well, if those laws either apply to everyone or no one and Jesus didn’t nullify the laws of the Torah, well my question is, Why are Christians not keeping kosher, why aren’t they following the restrictions of work on the Sabbath as laid out in the Torah, why aren’t Christians celebrating, Passover, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot? In what way does anything Jesus says indicate that Christians are obligated to observe the Sabbath (one of the 10 commandments) and yet they are not obligated to observe any other ritual commandment given in the same book? You’re whole way of thinking is full of these inconsistancies.

read the book of Acts Kauko

Once again I respect your near decade of religion college course if you need that recognition, but I’m a little concerned with all of that wonderful education given that we started with your premise that Christians have no business with the Ten Commandments how in the world did we get to keeping Kosher? Did you read the book of Acts, why didn’t you include circumcision, along with Sukkot? Jesus, Peter and Paul grafted gentiles in and for me they kind of out rank both you and your almost decade of religious college courses.

There are TWO great commandments…Love the LORD thy God with all your heart, mind and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. The first one covers the first four commandments and the second one covers the other six.