They actually filed charges for him “spiritually marrying” three elderly ladies? Ridiculous.

Homosexuals are not jailed marrying why should he?

What a silly question …is Jeffs still the FLDS’s Prophet…after all, GOD appointed him. He can dispense wisdom from his jail cell.

Some of the greatest leaders and writers of all time have did just that.

True,cknuck, some great leaders and writers have done that….but I certainly don’t put Jeffs in that catagory. Great leader? That’s NO! He is just a guy who likes to push having lots of women around to do his bidding and push his authority.(given to him by god, of course). Makes his ego feel good.

But they weren’t tried and convicted as accomplices to rape. Of children.
cknuck you find yourself defending some of the slimiest countries and people. Don’t you ever stop and think where your fear and hatred is leading you?

nnmns the only hatred I have ever entertained is of you and fear is never a problem

cknuck you are so twisted. I feel sorry for you but you make that hard with your bitterness.

nnmns quote, “But they weren’t tried and convicted as accomplices to rape. Of children.
cknuck you find yourself defending some of the slimiest countries and people.”
nnmns you make a hero out of Jefferson because of your agendas quoting his statements against Christianity yet he did the very same thing to his slaves raping children but the offspring of his rapes he denied as even people. He took mothers and daughters in his rapes. Yet to you he was great and made history as a honorable man.
I see a greater nobility in Jeffs as despicable as his acts were he recognized his offspring as family.

cknuck, where is your proof that Jefferson raped his slave women? He had sex with them, yes, but rape? He followed what was considered common practice in those days. Was it right? No, and neither was slavery. That was a long time ago. You and I weren’t even considered then. Jefferson was a great man, who helped form this country. He was most certainly not perfect….but then…no one is.
Jeffs had a greater nobility??? Certainly he recognizes his off spring. It’s like a contest…how many kids can he father, so he can prove his “MANHOOD”, or make god happy that he is following directions by being “fruitful and mulitplying”. After all, he is (or was) god’s little prophet.( or so Jeff’s says). Having kids with many women is part of that job….has to show the other guys what to do. Besides, how is there going to be more little FLDS folks if the sperm donors don’t cooperate? Gotta keep making those babies and indoctrinating them. Dictatorship comes to mind.

It’s actually a valid point you make about Jefferson but, as ps points out what he did was pretty common and we don’t know to what extent it was rape. And he has a world of redeeming social value in what he did for for America.
What Jeffs did is not common in the US (though it probably would become common if the “Christian nation” people had their way). And they were children. And he has no redeeming social value I’m aware of.

nnmns quote, “What Jeffs did is not common in the US (though it probably would become common if the “Christian nation” people had their way)”
that’s the kind of slimy statement that will always help to keep it clear who and what you are nnmns. I don’t know why you would say that anymore than why you and pagan would justify what Jefferson did because “it was common” One was and is just as bad as the other, Jefferson and Jeffs.
Pagan quote, “cknuck, where is your proof that Jefferson raped his slave women?”
I guess I need proof to prove the were slaves next. Can you say ‘slave” pagan or do you have any appreciation of what it is? I can see why you would compare it to homosexuality you don’t even know or care to know what it is or means.

Where did I compare slavery ( and yes, I DO know, cknuck, what IT is)to homosexuality? Quote me please, time and post!

I would say that, cknuck, because those people who want the US run by the laws they claim to find in the Bible are of the same fundamentalist, controlling mindset as those who, like Jeffs, run sects of weak, foolish people for their, the leaders’, own advantage.

I’m curious, cknuck. Is it your desire that we lower our esteem of Jefferson to roughly our esteem of Jeffs or that we raise our esteem of Jeffs to roughly that of Jefferson?

yeah nnmns but Jefferson ran the country.

pagan reading your statements that compare my people’s heritage to homosexuality is disgusting enough on the first read, why would I want to review them. If you don’t want to admit it fine.

Well, cknuck, certainly wouldn’t want you to be “disgusted” .
As to the comparison you refuse to quote. (cause you can’t).
I have compared and do compare the struggle of Blacks (or those of your people’s heritage) to the struggle of homosexuals for EQUAL RIGHTS. Would that be what disgusts you? IMO it is an easy comparison. When Lincoln freed the slaves, they weren’t given the rights of the other citizens of this country. However there was an expectation that that could be accomplished…it took too long but it was accomplished. IMO there is absolutely no reason why marriage has been denied to same gender adult couples. Your reasons are not valid. The reasons given for denying Blacks equal rigts were just as invalid. IT is a simple case of human rights being given to all our citizens.
Now as to slavery and homosexuality? There I don’t see a comparison to “your people’s heritage”. As slaves there was no expectation of equal rights…slavery was and is wrong by anyone’s standards (I hope).

cknuck makes a big deal about what happened to blacks, and slavery and Jim Crow were terrible, but they didn’t happen to cknuck. Earlier cknuck commented that some of us don’t know what slavery is, and happily we don’t know firsthand. But neither does cknuck. He might have a few stories from a grandparent we don’t, but that’s the only difference about slavery.
What cknuck may know that I, at least, don’t is the experience of bigotry and diminished opportunities and perhaps diminished expectations in school. You, ps, may know those things because of your sex. Homosexuals may know some of them, too.
So that’s one more parallel between blacks and homosexuals (and women).
And one more thing cknuck whines about with no cause.

nnmns quote, “cknuck makes a big deal about what happened to blacks, and slavery and Jim Crow were terrible, but they didn’t happen to cknuck.”
Maybe it’s because it is a big deal of which the full ramifications have not been considered by shallow minded folk like you nnmns. You don’t have any idea what I have experienced as a result of slavery of my forefathers, you are still an elderly white man right? If you are then don’t pretend to know what my family went through. I would say I say to you in person to anyone nnmns, I would love to see you try to make your claims about African American heritage to the actual face of an African American especially mind.

You moan now, cknuck but when Candidate Obama was taking heat because of what his then-preacher, Rev. Wright, said about what was done to African-Americans, I defended his statements and you said nothing. I remember that because I wondered what you were going to say.
So you try to use your background to clobber me and ps and others but you ignore it when it suits your conservative politics.
And I’m still right, cknuck, those things didn’t happen to you.

cknuck: “you are still an elderly white man right” and ” I would love to see you try to make your claims about African American heritage to the actual face of an African American especially mind [mine?].”
Exactly what are these claims that get you so excited, cknuck? And are you threatening me?

Where were you enslaved, cknuck?

nnmns I am no fan of Wright or Obama, and I don’t threaten. Threats are a waste of action by those who foolishly delay taking action.

A typical cknuck statement: It puts the lie to itself.

a typical nnmns statement soft bellied.