“But others contend the conversation tends to often be one-sided, with the government, rather than faith groups, doing most of the talking.”
Of course it is the gov. doing most of the talking. All government involvement with faith based groups is government is based on government agenda and that agenda under Obama is to dismantle Christianity in America. Do not let gov. into your ministries it will neuter your ministries and make it not about God but about the gov.

Quote: Ck, Agenda under Obama is to dismantle Christianity in America.
You sound like a flipped out “Tea Bagger”, are you?

no, what are you, a anti-bible anything goes lameduck Christian?

“All government involvement with faith based groups is government is based on government agenda and that agenda under Obama is to dismantle Christianity in America.”
Is that before or after he takes away all the guns? I keep forgetting.

Never heard of that kind of Christian Ck. It’s not me. Why do you think President Obama is trying to dismantle Christianity in America? It makes no sense to me, and I’d love to hear what he would say to such a dumb comment.

To cknuck, anyone who’s not a fundamentalist wacko is anti-Christian. Especially if they have the gall to open their mouth.

But I agree with him on keeping government and churches widely separated. That is what you meant isn’t it cknuck?

Of course that is what cknuck meant, nnmns! )

nnmns wrong on both counts as usually. I’ve never said that anyone that isn’t fundamentally Christian is wacko outside of you nnmns nor do I think that the government and church should be widely separated, that historically up to this point has never been so. My organization enjoys that luxury but not all do some have to put their religious integrity aside to get help from the gov. During the American Revolution the church and all conflicts in our history the church has played an intricate part in this country’s security, welfare and growth.

“During the American Revolution the church and all conflicts in our history the church has played an intricate part in this country’s security,welfare and growth”. cknuck
So What? The government and religious bodies (no matter the denomination or sect) need to be totally separate entities…always.

Gosh cknuck you hate me and you call me a wacko but apparently you can’t even read what I wrote.
Some say we are judged by our enemies, and I appreciate your support.

The government should not prevent faith-based organizations from hiring based on religion. When I ran a faith-based organization, my help wanted ads said “Not an Equal Oportunity employer” meaning I only hired Christians.

pagan quote, “So What? The government and religious bodies (no matter the denomination or sect) need to be totally separate entities…always.”
Check our nation’s history pagan, the government has always depended on the church’s support. but not pagan churches is that the problem? Is the problem that Christian churches have been the backbone of America especially in crisis’ but pagans, not so much? I’m just curious as to why you need to ignore American history.

cknuck, what is so hard for you to understand that this nation isn’t a nation run by religion (as much as some religions try to). Like I said, so what? Do you have numbers to back that pagans haven’t helped in a time of crisis? Just wondered. Yes, granted some churches (as well as the Red Cross and other non-profit groups) have helped this country in a time of crisis.(that’s what Americans do). Does that mean that religion should help run/be a part of making the laws etc. in our government? NO.

As long as the faith-based initiative Churches receive monies from the government and it’s coming from tax-payers of all religions, or none, they obviously will not be able to pick and choose who works for them. If it were to stay the way it was in Bush years, than most of us would want it be be eliminated. Since when does anyone who takes money from someone to do what they want with it have the right to tell the giver how they will run something without approval, from in this case, the government of the U.S.?

pagan what do you think the REd Cross stood for? I didn’t say anything about churches running the country I pointed out what a important part of our heritage the church has played thoughout the history of the United States of America.

H22 Bush ran the very same policy concerning faith based monies and hiring. That is why the wisest of the faith based organization did not eat the poisonous fruit of the tree of poison. Obama is not doing anything different except costing the country money in different ways.

In England, the Red Cross is for St. George. Why do you ask, ck?

The nursing profession was founded by Florence Nightingale out of devotion for Christ. One of history’s greatest humanitarian movements, the International Red Cross, was founded by Christians in response to the Scriptural injunction to care for the sick and suffering.

The American Red Cross was founded by Clara Barton… in 1881, who was a Universalist. There is officially no International Red Cross. It is a member group of many nation’s non-profit humanitarian groups…Red Cresent being one. Henry Dunant started the Red Cross in 1863. Neither were necessarily following any biblical injunction.

Bit more information on Dunant…Nobel prize winner for founding the Red Cross. Also turned against his religion as he got older. So I guess it really had nothing to do with his accomplishment. Florence N. did think she was following Christian teachings.

Ooh cknuck, you got your clock pretty well cleaned on that one. Hint: check your facts before you claim they are facts.

pagan you’re right Although aligned with the Universalist Church, Clara Barton becomes a defender of Mary Baker Eddy and the Christian Science faith. The Red Cross was a symbol of Neutrality. I read some wrong information.
nnmns my clock is pretty clean but not by you.

cknuck I should have congratulated you on admitting an error. I don’t recall you doing that before and it makes you more credible when you do it.

I could say I am rarely wrong but that wouldn’t be right. nnmns I do admit when I am wrong I am (regardless of how you feel about me) a man of honor, and honor is more improtant than being right.

I’m a big fan of truth and think it’s more important than anyone’s honor. But anyway, good for you.

my honor is built on truth nnmns, before your compliment turns into the venom it was born of don’t worry about it I don’t need your approval.

It’s disappointing but not surprising that you can’t stay positive.
And it’s not unusual for people to hide the truth to preserve their public honor. I hope you won’t knowingly do that.
Enough of this. I’m out of here.

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