“Diplomatic snafus”? That would seem to imply errors on her part. What they were was impoliteness on the part of some and stupidity on the part of Williams, who is in way over his head.
I expect Williams thought being head of the Anglicans would consist of having tea with a succession of genteel visitors month after month for good pay and mild honors. Instead he got real issues, which he’s clearly not up to handling.

I think that fact that there will not be an endorsement of where the Episcopalian church is going is a wise move I think that Schori is starting to realize the folly of her success in here creation of schism between the churches. Who rewards a man a promotion for leaving his wife and children to be with his homosexual lover? Not Christ’s church, hell not any body of government.

You, too, imply error on her part. The problem is that they have too many old haters in parts of the church elsewhere. The Southern Coneheads. The US Episcopalians are the voice of moderation and grace.

I am not a “southern conehead” or a “hater”. I was a full-time Civil Rights and anti-Vietnam War activist, who was beaten and jailed many times. And I was a full-timer in the Obama Campaign too. I oppose hatred and persecution against homosexual persons. But Scripture, e.g., 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; teaches that homosexual practice is gravely sinful. And any “church” which teaches otherwise has really departed from the Christian religion.

“The Episcopal Church has an organized opposition that would be very happy to replace it or destroy it. They put an image of the presiding bishop and the Episcopal Church out there, and if we do not engage with that, that’s the image that takes hold.”
The Episcopal “Church” doesn’t need any more help to destroy it. They chose as presiding “bishop” a woman who embraced open heresy (she invited Spong as a special guest lecturer to her diocese) and who ranked dead last in terms of population adjusted growth among all the dioceses. As presiding “bishop”, she has launched a orthodox cleansing of the denomination. and so many lawsuits that she has had to hire her own personal lawyer to coordinate them all. See here:
http://geoconger.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/no-break-in-pace-of-episcopal-church-lawsuits-the-church-of-england-newspaper-august-6-2010-p-6/

Since women bishops are not recognized in the Church of England, Schori had to apply as a regular priest to serve as a visiting minister. This would imply she knew and agreed to her reduced status. If she later said that she was shocked that the Archbishop asked her to carry her miter instead of wearing it (which was actually a generous offer), I think she is being too cute by half. If she was going to stir the pot – then why not just go over there (without asking for permission) and wear the … miter. Rosa Parks she ain’t.

“It is entirely inappropriate that she should be welcomed into any diocese in the Anglican Church of Australia,” the Rev. Mark Thompson, the league’s president, said in a statement.
Gee, how very Christian of him.

Most persons that use the phrase “how very Christian” generally know nothing about being a Christian.

“How very Christian of them.”
Exactly. Jesus warns us about false prophets, Matthew 7:15-20:
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
She says that is acting in new, prophetic way, but “by their fruits you will know them.” And Schori’s fruits are lawsuits and heresies and rapid decline. So yes, it is very Christian of them to avoid this wolf in sheep’s clothing.

18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
I think people with fruit trees would recognize this for a fallacy. Trees bear better and worse fruit but with variations within the tree and by year.
Just another case of the Bible writers not knowing what they were writing about.

You’re right nnmns, we had Apricot trees that did just that.

nnmns and H22 when you equate this wonderful verse with trees of your own then you also have to take into account that you play a strong part in if the tree is good or not. How good are you, to your tree H?
Anyway the fruit that Schori’s brings to the table is not biblical, and it has more to do with politics than anything else.

Interesting to see what stands for “christian” love by those who were her hosts! I’m glad she made the trips to the places as planned way before all the divisional talk. She is indeed, IMO, more of an example of what Christianity stands for than her critics.

pagan help me to understand just how would you who walked away from Christianity because of lack of fulfillment know what Christian love is, or how a person who meets more of your pagan standards qualify as an example of Christianity?

Henrietta and nnmns, my six year old also has problems with abstract thinking.

“She is indeed, IMO, more of an example of what Christianity stands for than her critics.”
All the lawsuits and the violations of canon law to oust her enemies (orthodox Christians). So loving.
Peter Lee, the bishop of Virginia, was in amicable separation talks with the orthodox parishes that went on to form CANA. He warned them that a “new sheriff was in town” when Schori was elected. Sure enough, a month later, the new sheriff, Schori, ordered him to break off talks and sue. As Paul would say, she is “utterly lost.”

Theo I’m sorry your son has a problem with abstract thinking. Genetics tells. But he’s young and may recover.
I’ve been a mathematician and feel comfortable saying I’m not too low on the abstract thinking scale. And I’ve noticed Henrietta does well.
So you are saying “trees” in the Bible are abstract and have no relation to trees in the world? Why did they call them “trees”? Why not call them, e.g. gomb’s. That also has nothing to do with real trees and it makes that clear.

nnmns if you wait for the bible to be clear to you and continue to think like you do then you will die just as ignorant of the bible as you are now. The fact that if you an atheist align with Schori then she is on the right track, that is for an atheist. The she don’t really need the funny hat after all. Oh, she can’t get paid as an atheist, oops.

No, cknuck, we don’t get paid for being atheists. Unlike a lot of Christians who do get paid for being Christians.
We do it because we believe in it.

Actually nnmns you do it because you don’t believe, ) Buy your point is inaccurate very few Christians get paid for believing.

cknuck, how do I know about Christian love? I had parents who were examples as well as family members and friends who are examples.

I understand you get paid cknuck; I have no idea how well. Some Christians manage to get paid very well indeed.

pagan that is a non-relevant situation, regardless of your relative’s relationship with Christ their relationship does not get you into the book of life, so He never knew you nor you Him. Judas did not know Jesus and he walked with Him yet you claim to know of Him because your relatives have a relationship.

“He” sounds hard to know. But it’s your imaginary critter cknuck, so make it any way you want.

Yeah, whatever cknuck. If some folks who post here are examples of “Christian” love then I KNOW I had and have examples of what it SHOULD be. “Knowing” HIM or HER? Personally, that is non-relevant. Believe me when I tell you, I am so in the “book of life”.
HE never knew me? Guess that baptism didn’t count? Apparently my parents thought it did. Their Christianity wasn’t like yours? Personally as an infant I really could have cared less, and at age 10, “joining the church” really was a farce, as I hadn’t really any idea what was happening. I wised up at 17. As far as I’m concerned, I know plenty about what Christianity is supposed to be about and I clearly recognize those that follow it and those that claim to follow it.

nnmns is calling God a critter the best you can do? That’s not the intellect you would like to think it is, it’s bitter and sad.
pagan the baptism did not stop you from turning your back on God so did it count? At 17 I thought I was really wise also, lucky I grew older.

nnmns quote, “I understand you get paid cknuck; I have no idea how well. Some Christians manage to get paid very well indeed.”
nnmns I work 50 to 60 hrs a wk I supervise two facilities on the west coast taking care of feeding, sheltering, counseling and providing disaster response. I also supervise my other organization on the east coast, my organization does international aid all over the world, (I am not responsible for those efforts). So yes I do get paid, not for being a Christian but for what I can do, to facilitate the services we provide. I am definitely a Christian and I work for a Christian organization, if you are attempting to make me ashame forget about it. I am fortunate to be in a position to give back a substantial among of my pay back. I cannot repay what has been done for me by God, so it is impossible for me to give too much.

So cknuck, as an infant I was supposed to know that getting water sprinkled on my head was supposed to impress me? That was done because it made my parents feel good, and that’s fine. I had nothing to say about it. Like I said, at 10 I “joined” the church. Once again, basically did as I was taught. However, 17 I totally realized that I couldn’t follow what I was being taught by very well meaning parents. Having lived to plus 60, my mind hasn’t changed at all. My decision as a very young person was one of many wise decisions I made. Certainly I’ve made mistakes in life, as have all of us, but that one at 17 wasn’t one of them. All that to say, I know what a “Christian ” is versus those who “claim” to be one. Life is a good teacher.

Many of us, including some non-Christians, seem to have an idealized “Christian” in our heads who is a good person. I guess that has to do with conditioning. But in fact Christians are no better than anyone else (the prisons are full of them, for instance) and some of the “best” Christians are in fact real jerks or are neither good nor bad but get a lot of passes.

both you pagan and you nnmns the atheist are correct but there is one or two elements that escape you both unfortunately for you they are much more important than the sum of your conclusions.

One or two elements that escape me (and nnmns) and they are much more important then the sum of our conclusions? What might those be, Mighty Prophet? (AKA cknuck)

I think he’s talking about getting into the heaven he believes in but I, at least, don’t. Not so important in my estimation.
But he did say we are right.

“But he did say we were right.” nnmns
Yes, that is a rare occurence, nnmns!
Heaven? IMO, something cooked up to make folks feel better about dying, but you have to be really, really good and believe the “right” things to get there. Guess we’re in trouble, huh? )

Haven’t visited this for six days, you have really been busy with comments. I loved my apricot trees, and took very good care of them, but alas a blight going through Santa Barbara County undid all my care, and took away some very good jam. Even the county bontanists couldn’t help. Thank you nnmns for recognizing my abstract thinking. A thorn to the rest of you.
PS, my friend, and I mean that. A Baby receiving christening is being given to God and they, the parents, promise to bring that child up in Godly ways. Later they study and make their communion when they can understand what that particular church believes in and you have a chance to accept or not, usually around 13 or 14 in the Lutheran Church. Some stay, some try another denomination, etc. Life goes on, but basically most people have posts in their lives that direct their direction.
IMO, Shori will lead her Church in the direction of love and progressiveness, and because of this it will prosper. Orthodoxy has brought much darkness, along with its light through the centuries, and things that don’t advance usually die, eventually. Where there is hurt there cannot be love. Love is the greatest gift.

Thanks Henrietta, as I consider you a friend also! ) I “joined” the Methodist church at 10, way to early to totally understand what I was doing. Happy to hear that the Lutheran’s have a later age. Even with children maturing earlier these days, it is a large commitment and a young person should be mature enough to understand just what they are doing. I certainly didn’t. As I mentioned above, I’ve never regretted my decision at 17, but as I have also mentioned in the past, I have and love many Christians in my life, family and friends. I respect their beliefs and they mine. Life is certainly good!
Sorry to hear your trees weren’t able to give you apricots this year! :0(

It is hypocritical for her to ask for autonomy from the Anglican church while she persecutes those churches and diocese that do not agree with her. She is pursuing an agenda with like a Pharasee and methodically destroying the Episopal church. . She is bad religion: concerned with power, self-righteous, manipulative. When you see I do not see Christ. I see a political religious activist.