It will be interesting to see what the Pope has done to Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again.

Henrietta,
Instead of “Christ has died,…,” the people will now say, “We proclaim your death, O Lord, and profess your Resurrection
until you come again.”

The acclamation, “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” never existed in the official Latin text of the Mass. I believe it only existed in the English translation. The American Bishops requested that it be kept in the new English translation as one of the American Adaptations but this was not approved. It will not exist in the new English translation. In my diocese, for some reason, it has become the one most frequently used, although I can remember when this was not so. I believe that the new responses, the new Creed, and the new acclamations will become second nature to the Catholics who go to Mass every Sunday very quickly, within weeks. It’s the priests who will have to become more accustomed to many more changes in the parts of the Mass they pray.

“Lord I am not worthy to receive you ” changing to “Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof?” That statement is, IMO an extremely awkward statement. Guess the good Catholics will learn it.

And they claim Catholicism never changes.

Pagansister,
I agree, it is awkward, but it is a direct quote of Matthew 8:8.

PS and YN, the new way of proclaiming unworthiness would best have been left alone. In saying, “Lord, I’m not worthy to receive you”, covers all bases. The new one specifically designates the inside of the home. So would you be worthy receiving the Lord out in your yard? Just saying…..

Fascinating. I wish they would give us a preveiw today,…..it seems the post commenters know what it is going to say!

You can find the new text on the U.S. Bishops’ website, ucccb.org.

My aplogies on the URL for the Bishops’ site. It should be usccb.org.

God’s always ready to come to a barbecue!

I am saddened to see this change made. I pray the Bishops’ will be guided by the hand of the Lord. One particular translation for example would seem excluding of some of God’s children.
Original:
Glory to God in the highest,
and peace to his people on earth.
Translation:
Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to people of good will.
I appreciate the effort to simplify our faith so that all can understand but we should be wary. After reading the new changes, I am lost in translation. In lieu of changes – I would love to see Catholics make an extra effort to understand our sacred celebration of the Eucharist and our teachings?

The Gloria
Glory to God in the highest,
and on earth peace to people of good will.
We praise you,
we bless you,
we adore you,
we glorify you,
we give thanks for your great glory,
Lord God, heavenly King,
O God, almighty Father.
Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son,
Lord God, Lamb of God,
Son of the Father,
you take away the sins of the world,
have mercy on us;
you take away the sins of the world,
receive our prayer;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father,
have mercy on us.
For you alone are the Holy One.
you alone are the Lord,
you alone are the Most High,
Jesus Christ,
with the Holy Spirit,
in the Glory of God the Father.
Amen.
** I apologize if there are typos, I only had a scanned picture of the prayer and had to type it I will post the creed in a second posting.

The Creed
I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
and the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
consubstantial with the Father,
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit
was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at
the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord,
the giver of life,
who proceeds from the
Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
And one, holy, catholic and
apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the
resurrection of the dead
and life of the world to come.
Amen

A completely ridiculous move by out-of-touch church leaders who don’t give a rip about anything but their own power. I can’t think of a better way for them to make sure the priest shortage disappears than to chase away the faithful through these archiac language changes, close a lot of parishes when attendance falls, and then announce there are plenty of priests for those that remain. Obviously, they have forgotten that Christ—not bishops and popes–is the head of the Church.

I completely agree with Bob. I am so sick and tired of the “religion” part of Catholicism. Faith is completely lost as it is; these changes bury it further. As a father of two, I find it hard enough bringing my children to church, this furthers that choice. Perhaps this is where I walk away. Thank you Rome for your vision. The Catholic Church has always been the continuation of the Roman Empire, perhaps it will finally fall along with all of its corruption. Let us pray.

What is ridiculous is how lazy “Catholics” have become over the centuries. What was once a faith that dominated science, philosophy and scholarship, has been reduced to cultural drones shuffling in and out of Church complaining and leaving because it doesn’t suite them. I do agree that the administrators of our Church have a lot to learn about disseminating information, however, you must judge it by it’s substance, not the form. Pronouncing clarifications of our faith has been a practice of our Church for 2000 years starting with Jesus and the Mosaic Law, through Paul’s admonishment of the earlier Churches, the Councils throughout the centuries and the Fathers who battled hericies. So it is also with Vatican II. I’m not saying there is not bureaucracy in the Church. Every human run organization has to deal with it. But to criticize the Church that Christ founded because it has imposed adjustments concerning matters of faith, is to suppose that God is ignorant of human nature and is not in control. That shows an incredible lack of faith, bordering on heretical regarding the nature of God. You either believe Jesus at his word that Peter’s Church is the rock, the foundation of the new faith in Christ and that the gates of hell will not prevail against it or you do not. If you say you have faith, you should check it against the marks of true faith – belief, commitment and trust. If you don’t believe, you’ll never be committed, if you not committed to your faith, you’ll never trust in it. And if you think you can have faith without the life of the Church, that is to deny the sufficiency Christ’s establishment of His Church on earth.
As so called Catholics, most don’t read your Bibles, you don’t read the Fathers (Augustine, Aquinas, etc..) and you don’t read Papal Encyclicals. If you did, none of this would seem that big of a change for you.
What you are really tired of is having to think. The changes have come about because Fides et Ratio, Faith and Reason is lost to most of the “faithfully”. Typical 20th century American Catholics who want everything spoon fed, with out having to think. Have you even bothered to try and understand the changes. If you want to test there veracity, which you should do, match the changes with there meanings against other council writings and the Church Fathers. Did you know that a good deal of them were giving in 1975 and are just now being instituted in this country. For the sake of your own soul, don’t persecute your Church. Learn, discuss even disagree, but do it when you can speak intelligently on it. And unless you are a linguist, you are offering nothing in the way of a discussion on the word’s meanings.

I agree with Bob and Chris statements. I just found out today about the upcoming change to our Mass at my Catholic Scripture Studies Group. I am also a retired Catholic School teacher who was in charge of 15 years of Mass for the school k-8. Mass can be very spiritual for the young when they understand the words in Mass and songs.
We are going to loose young Catholics with this change. Why can’t the church offer this new Mass as an option for some of the Masses but keep what we have. We should be making our Mass a joy to attend.
I feel this is a huge negative for our churches families.

David, I agree and appreciate your comment, it may “seem” inconveniant for some but if my heart is with the church than i can trust the changes. Pax

Where can I get a list of the changes in wording?

I do not trust ANYTHING done by ANY American Bishop. Leave the Mass alone, thank you. If anything, make it more medieval – more Latin, and more majestic. Screw bourgeois worship.

Catholics:

Never happy unless they are miserable.

These changes are merely reforming the language to the exact translation from the Latin text. It will hopefully create a more spiritual environment for worship. In most of our churches, the mass has become a 3-ring circus.

Am relieved to see that I am not the only one who can see this North American bastardization of Roman Catholicism, caused by the liberal and power-hungry North American Catholic leadership. I am a Roman Catholic and proud (and glad and blessed) to be one. As I was growing up, I watched the leadership in Texas take the church into the sewer. Moved to Louisiana after college and it’s even worse! The mass here in most churches is an abomination. Incredible abuse of the original spirit and intent of Vatican II as well. Vatican II wasn’t the problem after all! It was the clergy stretching the boundaries to serve their own agendas, not Christs.

Who would even want to be a Catholic today with the example set in this country by most churches? People skip mass all year long, come to mass on Christmas, and receive the Eucharist. It never gets mentioned during the homilies. People now attend weddings (not just the regular masses) in bluejeans. It never gets mentioned during the homilies. It has been said that 95% of catholic females during their child bearing years are on birth control. It never gets mentioned during the homilies. Mother Theresa, after a lifetime of dealing with disease, death, famine, disaster victims, etc., argued that the MOST horrific thing she has seen in her lifetime was the handling of the Eucharist by the laypeople. Vatican II allows this in “extraordinary circumstances only”. The American clergy wildly abuse this so they can finish mass 10 minutes early.

I saw a girl a month ago take the Eucharist (Christ’s body) with her hands, flip it into her other hand. Run back down the isle to catch her friend who was running while trying to get her attention, then popping it into her mouth like it was a piece of candy. It never gets mentioned during the homilies or by her parents. Why does a parish BORROW thousands or millions of dollars to build a fellowship hall? HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST! If there are evils in the congregation (birth control?) they should speak out against, they will risk losing the donations of the people they might offend, resulting in the possible default of the loan. I don’t like what’s going on one bit. In Louisian, virtually everyone was Catholic just a short century ago (due to great French & Spanish influence). I have coworkers, friends, neightbors, etc., with traditional cajun french last names (Landry, Fontenot, Guidry, Melancon, etc.,) who left and now attend anything from Baptist to non-denominational churches. We are losing them by the hundreds here even in my small town. Not just a few. Why are they leaving? Would you join a watered-down church that stands for nothing?

I hope a clergy member (preferably a bishop or higher) is reading this. If you are, I hope you realize that you will have to answer for leading the flock down this path of destruction. I pray whenever I think about it for the North American leadership of the church. If you are reading this, please pray hard, pray with your children. Pray often. We are in spiritual warfare with Satan’s army to get our church back from this evil leadership.

Regarding what DAVID (above) said, I agree that we either have faith in our church or we don’t. We accept Catholicism or we don’t. Understand my passion is rooted in my extreme faith in the Catholic church. The church Christ began 2000 years ago with Peter. History as shown the rise and fall of Catholicism and Christianity in different regions of the world for that matter. Even the holy land as we know it is no longer Christian and it all started there! Is North America at the end of its Catholic “era”?

If the earlier mass was not proper, should the pope be brought to justice or declared non saint ?

Making things more complicated wont draw more non catholics

I know of a priest who refused communion on the tongue. Should there be a law suit against him ?

Wonder why people leave the church ?

My simple question is if all this good, WHY was the bad passed on to us. By whom ? which bishop ? which pope ?
Shouldnt they be held accountable for this fiasco ?

Wake up hierarchy
we have to bring souls not send them away and YOU will be responsible

While growing up in the 1950′s, I attended the pre-Vatican II Latin style Mass with my parents. During these services I was present in body, but since I didn’t understand the language, my mind was always wondering. Instead of tinking about God, my thoughts were focussed on what others were wearing; what I would say to my freinds as soon as Mass was over; what activities I would be doing as soon as this required ritual was completed, etc. After the language was changed to English, which I understood, the Mass held more meaning. Instead of some gibberish, I actually knew what I was hearing and saying. Over the years I developed a closer relationship with God; I became more involved in the Mass; I taught CCD classes; and I became part of the Catholic community. With the current changes in the Mass most of these situations have stayed the same. I have easily adapted to the word changes in the English said prayers with a script to follow. But there is one change with which I am struggling. My understanding of what I am saying has again become lost in an unknown language. Once again, I find myself a spectator not understanding the Latin. With the change to Latin, again I am present in body, but my understanding of what is being said by the Priest, and what I am responding is lost. Once again I find my mind wondering during these times, and I’m not even trying to say the Latin words due to lack of understanding. But on a positive note, when the Latin is being said, I am having more of my own conversations with God during Mass, in English of course, because understanding what I’m saying holds more meaning then trying to say Latin.
Another concern I have is my convert husband doesn’t care for the Latin Mass either. This wasn’t what he joined. Like me he isn’t bothered by the wording changes in the English spoken prayers, but gets lost in the Latin. I worry that he will quite attending Mass altogether due to the Latin.

I’m saddened that the leaders of the church have decided to take a step backwards in time by returning to Latin in the Mass. I agree with a previous post. I wish we had a choice of attending the new Latin version or the all English version. Without this choice I fear the attendance at Mass is going to decline.

I always prefer Mass in Latin. Mass in Latin very well conveys the meanings and seriousness.
When things are to be taken seriously, I do take them seriously; when things are for fun I enjoy the fun.
Mass in any toher language, to me, does not deliver. Further,the music(guitars,the words sung, etc. are fine for praise but not at Mass)makes it feel non-serious.

I agree with Horselips and Bob; there are too many three ring circuses everywhere.
I read also the comments(above)and see some persons are confused thinking the changes will go back to Mass in Latin. To those people…read again what the changes are about.

Mass in Latin very well conveys the meanings and seriousness.

Marilu, which part of the circus are you ?

I am torn because the growing groups calling the (change from CUP to CHALICE is just to appeal to us …as written in some of the Vatican documentation) Miss representing the Consecration is a HERESY (and may even nullify the actually goal of transubstantiation) and they have persuasive arguements. One.. in Gospels, Two … early Church up to 2000 years of tradition and documentation.. NEVER.. said Jesus “took the CHALICE …” Every priest for hundreds of years, has had it drilled into them the CORRECT WORDS MUST BE USED. Jesus “TOOK THE CUP ..” is NOT a mistake in English translation that anybody has shown. Just the opposite. Christ had “CUPS” at the Last Supper according to the original renditions by the Apostles. Pope John I am sure did NOT want MORE mistakes. Tell me where to find where Pope Benedict has declared this INCREDIBLE mistake and change to the Consecration …speaking INFALLIBLY, so I can respond to this Chalicean Heresy starting up. What POPE originally INFALLIBLY approved the original Greek, Latin, words of our Consecration that correctly translate to “CUP”. The ABSOLUTE CORE of our religion and traditions. OR did they never feel the need to, because ALL the Apostles and the GOSPELS use thee SAME WORDS. Jesus :”took a/the CUP…”. The Nicene Creed ..from 343 AD (This being Christmas and St Nicholas ..Actually Bishop of Myra, Nicholas was at the 343 Nicene meeting) some are NO LONGER calling it the NICENE CREED …since Pope Benedict and the Vatican is changing/has repeatedly changed/ the original text ..from TRUE translation from the time of Constantine … so calling it the BENEDICT CREED would put the changes under HIS responsibility ….since it obvously is NO LONGER (for a long time now) the same words sent forth from Nicea during the period of establishing basics for the Church.