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Vatican issues "punitive" measures against NY Jesuit

Friday January 2, 2009

Over at dotCommonweal, I have posted a report on further Vatican penalties against the Jesuit theologian, Roger Haight: Now Haight is barred from writing at all on theology, and he can't even teach at a non-Catholic school. Which means he'll be leaving Union Theological Seminary at the end of the academic year.

Read the post here.

Needless to say, apart from the personal injustice to Haight, this action, taken in sercet and with impunity and no due process, will erode the kind of credibility that Benedict XVI is trying to build for his message of love and charity.

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Amos
January 5, 2009 4:10 PM

Who the hell is "Roger Haight?"

craig
January 5, 2009 5:29 PM

I always find it curious that if Wal-Mart finds an employee who despises the purpose for which they are hired and defies all policies concerning Wal-mart and is fired no one thinks it ill advised. yet if the church has one teaching counter to the churches teaching and is disciplined they cry foul.
Should then the various policing agencies hire career criminals and grant them permanent status? Perhaps we should elect someone from the Kremlin to run Washington D. C..
I'm missing something here. Help me out !

LCDR Brian M.
January 5, 2009 8:02 PM

Converts were once well-regarded for the example of the zeal with which they believed, defended and practiced the Roman Catholic faith. Unfortunately, Mr. Gibson appears to be a deviation from this once-proud tradition.

Mr. Gibson, it requires no suspension of disbelief to understand that Fr. Haight - whoever the hell, indeed, he is - is a virulent and unrepentant heretic, given that the Church has condemned his teachings. If this is good enough for me, it should be good enough for you.

By the way: welcome to the One, True Church!

Joseph Fromm
January 6, 2009 7:48 AM
http://goodjesuitbadjesuit.blogspot.com/

Dear David,

According to the Vatican website, the CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH meets every Wednesday with with consultors and officials. The recent Catholic News Service article by Cindy Wooden, states "The prohibition against teaching is not a condemnation and is not definitive; a committee of Jesuits, in fact, is studying the position of Father Roger, who is willing to collaborate to clarify his positions," Father Bellucci told Catholic News Service.

With this information, your statement

"apart from the personal injustice to Haight, this action, taken in sercet and with impunity and no due process, will erode the kind of credibility that Benedict XVI is trying to build for his message of love and charity,"

the apparent process and communication between The Society of Jesus, Fr. Haight and the CDF is not reflected in your blog post.

Joanne
January 9, 2009 11:45 PM

Well if what Paul said is true, that there has never been a saint that has stood up to the Pope and the heirachial church that is a shame. Because the Pope and the heirachy are only human and they do not have the last word on everything.

There has only been 2 infallible documents 1)is that the Pope can declare something infallible and 2)that the Mother of Jesus(Mary)body was assumed into heaven. And this big Doctrine of Infallibility was proclaimed by the pope and heirachy in 1870-71. And many of the the cardinals and archbishops had fled Vatican city before the vote because it was under siege by Garibaldi. So,all for a clean election. And I think if we educate ourselves we will realize that their pronouncements although probably learned are their opinion. They act like everything they say is infallible...not true.

I do think the Vatican and heirachy have lost a lot of their power of authority due to the pedophile scandal(which is still not over)and the fact that over the last 45 years laypeople have become far more educated. We do not say yes Father, No Father, Anything you say Father. The heirachy know they are losing their power as so many thinking and feeling Catholics want a collegial church not a heirachial church. They(the heirachy) deal with people in a Parent-Child style of communication and I firmly believe that the Church will implode if they keep trying to shore up their "power." It is not the way of Christ. Now they are ordering that the altar rails be put up again. That is a wall between the church(laity)and the priest because we were not considered "holy" enough to be near the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Only the priest is.(kind of reminds one of the Pharisees of old). And the Latin...use of Latin as the language of the Mass has been done for about 400-500 years. So, it is not the original language of the church...Aramaic was the language of the early church. It was the language of the people. So, none of these postures of the heirachy seem to have anything to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. It is about power and knowing your place. We really should not be about power but love. Isn't that the message of Jesus? His example is the one we need to follow not the Vatican with all the intrigue and compromises that seem to go on there. God help the person(possibly Fr.Haight?)who is a visionary.

I also think there are plenty of people who have gone before us into the Communion of Saints that have not been recognized as "saints" and never will be and yet many could very well be saints. And some of those I bet stood up to the church authorities and challenged them for not following the Gospel. But they were probably punished or the heirachy of the day(or today)put them where they would be silenced...and I know for a fact as do many others that is exactly what they do...these men of God...Doesn't it make you proud?!

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David Gibson is an award-winning religion writer who specializes in writing about the Catholic Church, which he joined as a convert at the age of 30. He is the author The Rule of Benedict: Pope Benedict XVI and His Battle with the Modern World. He also wrote The Coming Catholic Church: How the Faithful are Shaping a New American Catholicism. He has written about Catholicism for leading newspapers and magazines, including the New York Times, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal, New York magazine, Boston magazine, Fortune, Commonweal, and America. Gibson worked in Rome for Vatican Radio for several years and traveled frequently with Pope John Paul II. He later covered religion for The Star-Ledger of New Jersey. He has co-written several recent documentaries on Christianity for CNN. For further information check out his website at dgibson.com.

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