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Octo-mel: Gibson yuks it up over infidelity

posted by David Gibson

Mel & Oksana.jpgOkay, it’s one thing for uber-Traditionalist Catholic Mel to dispense with his marriage of 28 years and 7 children in private court proceedings. But what’s up with the talk-show parade to promote his latest squeeze, Russian musician Oksana Grigorieva, who is pregnant with what will be Gibson’s eighth child.

“I guess I’m Octo-Mel now,” he told Jay Leno Monday night.

Har har.

After the requisite breast-beating (one joke Mel didn’t make)–”Look, these things happen. It’s unfortunate,” as the PEOPLE mag relates it–Gibson and Leno go all frat boy, as The Daily Beast’s Kim Masters has it:

Gibson apologized for his diatribe against the Jews, but with women he’s digging himself in deeper every day. He told Jimmy Kimmel that he never used the phrase “sugar tits” but wished he had. Then on Monday he had an exchange with Leno that sounded like it was from five decades ago. First Gibson explained that he was drawn to Grigorieva before he ever saw her, when he heard her sing.

“So you were attracted to her voice,” Leno deadpanned. “Did you hear Susan Boyle?”

Gibson laughed and then replied, “I could put the squeeze on Susan Boyle.” (Who would doubt it?)

“There’s very few people who are man enough for Rachmaninoff,” Gibson continued.

“And I assume she has a nice Rach-maninoff?” Leno leered.

This followed an exchange in which 53-year-old Gibson revealed his girlfriend’s age. “She’s going to kill me for this–she’s almost 40,” he said. “Now I’m going to have two women mad at me.” Ah, yes–your 39-year-old friend and the wife of 28 years who bore you seven children.

But are women paying attention? That depends on whom you ask. A veteran marketer says Gibson’s female fan base is and they won’t like this recent turn in his life. “A great percentage of the audience is female,” she says. “It wasn’t guys who were paying for What Women Want or even Ransom.” She believes the same will apply to Edge of Darkness, [Gibson's first starring vehicle since 2002, to be released next year] which involves a father who investigates the murder of his activist daughter. “Avenging the death of a child skews female,” she says.

Another problem is that Gibson’s behavior is perilously at odds with his image, she continues. “Mel didn’t build his career on being a bad boy,” she says. “We’re not talking about Kiefer Sutherland here.”

So will this hurt Mel? Will it hurt the image of the faith? Sonia Sotomayor is already getting flack for being some species of “lapsed Catholic.” And what is Mel Gibson? It shouldn’t matter, except that Gibson has set himself up as a paradigm of orthodoxy.

 



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Elmo

posted May 27, 2009 at 10:36 am


“But what’s up with the talk-show parade to promote his latest squeeze.”
He has only discussed his divorce and his girlfriend ONCE. Hardly a parade. How could Gibson do anything but go public after she became pregnant? Is it better to pull a John Edwards and deny the child? I don’t think he was trying to “promote” his girlfriend so much as defend her from the charges of being a homewrecker.
Mel handled himself very well on Leno and the audience was receptive. That article by Kim Masters is very unfair and a hit job. “Wink-wink Holocaust denials of the time”? Writing that he has been “linked” to 3 Oksanas by the press — who cares if it’s not true? Stating unequivocally that he used the expression “sugar t*ts” despite his denial? And is it so wrong that Mel corrected Oksana’s age after she was falsely reported to be 28?
Also, when exactly did Gibson set himself up as “a paradigm of orthodoxy”? Obviously a lot of Christians on the right canonized him after The Passion of the Christ, but when did Mel assume that mantle himself?



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Moms Hugs aka Eve

posted May 27, 2009 at 12:39 pm


I wonder what Mel’s father thinks & what the LA Archbishop thinks of the church the 2 men built as an uber-traditional Catholic church. Was it built with millions from “The Passion” film? The film entire Catholic, evangelical & fundamental Bible churches bought tickets to see? Now Nonsense News will spend millions of dollars, words, ink & air time on the financial outcome of their divorce.
Those who like to quote scripture should re-examine the priorities of their faith when this guy caught them up in his million-dollar ‘baby’ their hard-earned money paid for. That HUGE amount could have been used to build schools & hospitals in impoverished neighborhoods or countries like Haiti.



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churchmouse

posted May 27, 2009 at 1:25 pm


“Those who like to quote scripture should re-examine the priorities of their faith when this guy caught them up in his million-dollar ‘baby’ their hard-earned money paid for. That HUGE amount could have been used to build schools & hospitals in impoverished neighborhoods or countries like Haiti.”
Mel is a dissapointment because his words and actions have been anything but Christian. He obviously has not been walking with God. But the movie he made was wonderful and it was a total success. It has nothing to do with Him today. I know the priority of my faith. My priority is Christ and keeping my eyes fixed on Him above everything else. But I am not perfect, nor is Mel or anyother person for that matter. He needs to repent and make things right with God.
Do you always like to hate on people?



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Zipporah7

posted May 27, 2009 at 3:18 pm


Well, our Lord told us “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.” (Luke 6:45) Doesn’t sound like He thought we could separate the man from his work.
I’d tried telling my Fundamentalist evangelical brethren that this was the same man who starred in all those films filled with sex, violence and profanity. “Ah, no,” they told me. “He’d changed.” He hasn’t changed.
“Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” (Matt. 7:16)
I heard someone suggest that he used a different Bible, the one that says “Thou shalt commit adultery.” It must have been the same one he used when he made “The Passion of the Christ.” It didn’t follow the Bible, either.



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Mere Catholic

posted May 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm


Mel Gibson’s practice of the Catholic faith has consisted of building his own “parish” and hiring his own “priests” so any connection to the universal Church was broken off a while ago. So, will this recent stunt hurt the Faith? No, despite the actions of conservative or liberal dissidents, the Church has weathered the storm for 2,000 years. Will it the hurt the faith of those who hope to see Christ in Christians? Perhaps, and may that serve as a reminder to all of us who claim the label Christian with ease yet fail to uphold what that label demands.



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Your Name

posted May 27, 2009 at 4:44 pm


Given the position for which she has been nominated, Sotomayor’s morality is, unfortunately, a question of life and death.
I was not aware of Gibson’s belief in himself as a paradigm of orthodoxy. His films generally convey no consistent moral message. Frequently, they involve fornication. One of the “Lethal Weapon” films features one of the heroes’ daughters wearing a “pro-choice” T-shirt, yet Gibson went on to make a further movie in the series. Bad language is also a feature of his repertoire.
Although his films are available for public criticism as works of art, his life is a matter for his bishop, even if, as a showbiz person, he is in the habit of talking about it on TV. What one may regret is the lack of exercise of episcopal authority generally so as to make it clear to all the faithful what is expected of them for the sake of salvation. Whether this applies in Gibson’s diocese I have no idea.
BTW, what is “uber-Traditional”? I mean, you may have a point to make, but it seems that this expression casts the concept of Tradition in a bad light, which is unhelpful in a period when that concept is being erroneously challenged within the Church.



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Tim

posted May 27, 2009 at 10:19 pm


Whatever happened to the clarion Catholic call for the sanctity of marriage? I’m sure Mel is among those Catholics who want to protect marriage from icky same-sex couples. Poor Mel believes in do as I say, not do as I do. He’s not alone in making marriage a joke. But, that’s OK as long as loving same sex couples are barred from a civil marriage. How Christian!



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Cindy

posted May 27, 2009 at 10:43 pm


I have never considered Mel Gibson a poster boy for Catholicism.
Even after he made “The Passion.”



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Tony Turner

posted May 28, 2009 at 12:33 am


Hey there, Mel has not one time ever claimed to walk on water or be perfect. He has a long history of saying he is ‘flawed’. If he thought people were going to hold him up as if he were Jesus gone bad, like most people seem to be doing, he’d never agree.
He has never told people how they should behave in their marriages, never blamed people for getting divorced or relationship breakdowns although he does believe that marriage should be forever. His finished three years ago. Was he to blame? Highly likely. Did he want it to finish? No!
When did everyone get so judgmental on him? It’s like everyone is fighting for their freedoms, but if he want as his freedom to start a new relationship, after the old one finished years ago, or to worship God the way he wants to in a manner that was the ‘in thing’ for centuries until Vatican 11… he gets a pasting.
Lot’s of stone throwing is going on and he seems to be the target. I never realised how many people at large were without sin. Again, he has never claimed to be without sin. He has a life of making mistakes, but can anyone doubt his love of God? This guy did more to bring people back to Christ than the Catholic or any Christian church has in years. Hey, maybe that’s why he is being attacked.
I’d rather not be getting quotes on belief net from a magazine called The Beast… but hey, it’s your articles, your site and it’s a free world… except, perhaps unless your name is Mel Gibson.
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Your Name

posted May 28, 2009 at 10:08 am


Goodness => praise => ego inflation => delusional invincibility => near Godliness => the fall.
A preacher abandons his flock for the choir director.
A presidency teeters to the snap of a thong.
A successful investment advisor skims everything.
And now Mel.
Will these little Edens ever stop?
I know God loves us, and I know we have free will.
But does he have to keep setting us up?
Is he bored? Can’t he be like the rest of us, and be happy with reruns of “Lost.”



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posted May 29, 2009 at 1:31 pm


It looks like Mel’s new girlfriend saw the divorce wasn’t coming so she added a pregnancy to the mix, and now Mel’s doing his best to play if off. Who knows what what a good God sees he is responsible for? We don’t. However, Mel definitely did not respect the women in his life. He is educated in his faith knew his responsibilities as a Catholic. First comes divorce, then annullment, and then after the hopefully honest evaluation of that process he could look at another woman. He blew it all off and disrespected both Robyn and Oksana by not coming to either of them as an honest man. We should pray for him.



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Your Name

posted May 30, 2009 at 5:51 pm


The claim that Mel Gibson is a Catholic ignores the fact that he is NOT in communion with the See of Rome. As Bishop Irenaeus of Lyons (Lugdunum) noted in 180 AD, the mark of the Catholic Church is that its constituent parts are in communion with the See of Rome (Adversus Haereses 3:3:2). Gibson may have thought that he was even more Catholic than the Pope, but that delusion is belied by his divorce. An earlier poster mentioned that Gibson should get an annulment after his divorce but that would be possible only if two things were true: 1) Gibson’s 28 Year Marriage had never been a true marriage for some cognizable reason (unlikely); and (2) Gibson was willing to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the Catholic Church over his marriage (also unlikely given his claim to be more Catholic than the Pope).



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