America's Mortal Sin: Class Bias. A Solution: Parochial Schools.
In my last post, I asked how one decided which is the most important political issue and who he/she should vote for for president. I learned from my readings of the Bible to "Love thy neighbor" and that "I am my brother's keeper." ...
I'm no attorney, but since when is it progressive to violate the Establishment clause by sending tax dollars to sectarian schools?
There shouldn't be tax dollars spent on Catholic or non-public schools. IMO that violates the separation of church and state, which is an important part of this country.
I learned from my readings of the Bible to "Love thy neighbor" and that "I am my brother's keeper." So as a society, are we practicing His teachings in the political arena and in our individual lives?
Who said society needs to follow your personal religious values?
Flynn is right that class bias, or just the myriad injuries of class, are a central defining sin of the U.S., and that race (the original sin of America) often obscures it. But the notion that the way to heal this is to support those parents who want to send their children away from others is foolishness. What that does is "cream" out the students whose parents are most interested in their education (often a class marker, by the way) leaving behind in public education those whose parents don't understand, or don't care, or feel unable for whatever reason to send their children to the private school. The big leveler in America is public education. But of course, white flight from the big urban school districts after integration (there's that pesky race issue again) has undermined the American commitment to public education. And of course, there is the little problem that support of sectarian schools violates the Constitution-- but even if it didn't, it would be bad social policy.
The idea that this issue is limited to urban areas is, in and of itself, classist. Mr. Flynn, what do you say to the single mother living in a rural area some 40 miles from the closest non-public school? She cannot take the time off from work to transport her kids to and from that school, and that school does not offer transportation (it is not required to do so, unlike most public schools).
A voucher to enable her to send her children to a non-public school would have to include a mechanism for transporting them to that school. How would you accommodate her needs in your program? Or would you simply allow her to fall through the cracks?
I ask this because a good friend of mine is in exactly that position. For her, there is no workable solution other than the local public school.
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It might also be appropriate to call into question your premise that private schools perform better than public schools.
"Public schools perform favorably with private schools when students' income and socio-economic status are taken into account, according to a new report from the U.S. Education Department. The findings counter a popularly held notion, that private schools outperform public schools."
If, as this study asserts, private schools perform no better than public schools, why should we consider them a solution to the problem you cite?
Someone mentioned above that a parent would have to transport their child to a non-public school. The state I live in provides bus transportation to the Catholic schools in the city, using the public school buses. I used to teach in one of those Catholic schools and was also responsible for seeing that the kids got on the bus. However I'm not for public funds being used to send kids to those private schools.
Pagansister, that transportation scheme would work in a larger community or city. However, there are many areas out here in the Midwest where the nearest town of any size is a good distance away. For my friend, it is around 40 miles one way to the nearest non-public school, and she would be driving through three towns (and their respective public school districts) to make the trip.
For all practical purposes, the voucher is meaningless for this friend. It would be better to hold public schools accountable, hold administrators of these schools accountable, and push the kids and parents to share accountability for the student's success/failure in the school.
Ambassador Flynn,
Judging by the first 8 comments posted here, I'm afraid it looks like "progressives" have little sympathy for parochial schools or the enormous contribution they continue to play in educating the young.
I give you credit, though, for trying your best with this group. You'll receive more support for parochial schools among political conservatives and orthodox-minded believers. They "get it." Judging by the reactions so far, the so-called "progressives" don't.
Ambassador Flynn,
Your advocacy of vouchers make sense to me. When I lived on the South Side of Chicago, I knew plenty of non-Catholics who wanted to send their kinds to he local Catholic schools but couldn't afford the tuition and thought they were unlikely to get scholarships.
As for 1st amendment concerns, unless anyone thinks the Pell grants and subsidized stafford loans shouldn't pay for students who attend Georgetown, University of San Francisco, Notre Dame, Baylor, Valparaiso, or the hundreds of other religious schools in the country, I don't see why they object to them for younger students. Should Medicare not pay for seniors who go to Catholic or Lutheran hospitals? The first amendment was never intended to mean that government money couldn't be spent on services provided by religious groups.
Good morning, Zak.
I too have lived on both the North and South sides of Chicago, and attended Catholic schools. As you remarked, a partial reason for better education at Catholic schools was the upper-class make up of the students and the school itself. It makes no sense to take moneys out of poorly performing schools to somehow repair the educational system. It seems that's the main reason the private/parochial schools show any improvement over public schools; More money to provide adequate opportunities to students.
The schools you pointed out as religious schools have as core curriculums the same tenets as any secular institution of higher learning, so I don't see why anyone would deny them grants. As to elementary and middle schools, I feel that religious indoctrination at such an early age, outside the home, is not proper, as the children can hardly be expected to understand the philosophical ramifications of religious dogma. I sense, however, that your real purpose in pushing for a voucher system, is to get more children out of secular systems, and keep them ignorant of the debate over the inerrancy of the bible and facts about religions other than Catholicism. As long as it's drilled into their heads from a young age that abortion is murder, homosexuality is an abomination, and Catholicism is the only true flavor of Christianity, much less any other faith, then they unquestionably believe, having little choice in the matter.
"tom" says to "zak" : "I sense, however, that your real purpose in pushing for a voucher system, is to get more children out of secular systems, and keep them ignorant of the debate over the inerrancy of the bible and facts about religions other than Catholicism."
"tom," where do you get off saying that? I read the post by "zak" and it is IMPOSSIBLE to have read into his comment your insinuation about his motives. Can you please explain yourself?
Liberal politicians pretend they don't see "white poverty"
That's an interesting assertion. I'd like to introduce you to a liberal politician named John Edwards someday. He's had a few things to say about white poverty, and has gained quite an audience.
I went to parochial schools myself, and got a good education. I also got beaten by nuns and cruised by the pedophile priests (we had two in my parish), but that's not really my point. The enrollment in parochial schools in my state - Delaware - grew rapidly throughout the 60s and 70s because of a particular reason, and it wasn't the quality of the education. Here's a hint: A lawsuit filed against the State of Delaware for racial segregation in the public schools was one of four cases that was consolidated into what was titled Brown v. Board of Education when it got to the Supreme Court.
The white political reaction, enthusiastically cheered on by the Catholic Church, to the remedy for anti-black discrimination was to build more private, parochial schools. (It worked! We had two black kids in my class. One was recruited to be the football team's running back, and the other a track star. Meanwhile, the public schools became majority black.)
Given the facts, tt makes me laugh to see some faux progressive religious types invoking classism and anti-white racism to justify taking my tax money to pay for their churches.
DonF.
Yes, the location of your friend and others in the state would certainly make the public school transportation hard if not impossible, especially now with the gas prices.
Mithras: "I also got beaten by nuns and cruised by the pedophile priests (we had two in my parish), but that's not really my point."
If that's not really your point, then why mention it and add to the smearing of parochial schools with your phony comment?
What a dishonest thing to do.
As for John Edwards, I don't think anyone finds him to be a credible witness for poor people in this country. Not with his lifestyle, his huge expensive homes, or his $2,000 haircuts. What a joke this guy is.
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