Baptism by Politics: Sacraments and "The Saddleback Confession"
In his quest to prune the overgrowth of Christianity to reveal to root of the faith, Martin Luther famously reduced the number of sacraments from seven to three, discarding Holy Orders, Last Rites (now known as the Anointing of the Sick),...
David,
This is an interesting discussion. If McCain was raised as an Episcopalian, would he not have been baptized as an infant? The assumption you've made here is that he's never been baptized.
Maybe it is Eisenhowerian reticence ... or perhaps it is catechetical ignorance on McCain's part. But, in the end, does it matter? After all we're electing a President, not appointing a seminary rector.
Reaganite: I wondered about infant baptism too, but could find no reference to it online or in McCain's bio book. Then again, perhaps he's in accord with the Southern Baptist view on adult baptism only. Which is fine.
As to your second observation, McCain is making much of his Christianity, either because he feels he wants to, or because he must due to the sway of evangelicals, or both. Also fine. But if he puts it in play, then it's more than fair game. As Obama's faith is fair game, and had been.
PS: Thanks again for your insightful and constructive comments.
I watched McCain talked about his Christanity,and his worst moral
failure of his first marriage,why did't he gave any details of what
happened, like Obama did with his drinking and drugs etc.I guest he would
have felt uneasy to talk about his adultress affair at the Saddleback
Church, and the Evangelical followers. Is'nt it strange that McCain did't
mentioned that his faith in God is what got him through his ordeal
as a POW,he talked about the drawing of the cross in the sand, and that
they both were Christains. I have never heard McCain say how olded he
was when he became a christain. Their are many POW'S that are not
christains. Was he a christain at the time? I don't think so. Rick
should have dug a little deeper by asking McCain was he a confessed
christain at the time of his capture, or did he accepted Jesus doing
his POW experience , also on the moral issue,and the reason I said
that, because any one who do not know about the failure, could think
the failure was because of his wife unfaithfulness. When the last we
had a candidate to run for the office of president that was a known
adultress,I don't mean a rumor without proof or speculation without
facts. John 8:32 know the truth for it will set you free.
What makes a man a Christian? I believe the Bible is very clear that it is faith alone in Christ alone. That faith alone in Christ alone is a personal relationship and acceptance of what Christ did for us on the cross. When someone chooses to believe in Christ is of no concern in a political campaign (Pre POW, Post POW, Pre Divorce, Post Divorce). Also on divorce, it is wrong and I am against it according to scripture. However; it is not something that keeps a person from being able to serve as president. Ronald Regan was divorced, and what most Christians consider the greatest US president to date. Now, what is wrong is sitting in judgment of another man's sin. When last I checked, Christ died for every sin that every man has done. Christian arrogance makes us no better than the Pharisees, and last I checked judging others is one of the sins that God hates above others. If both Obama and McCain have faith alone in Christ alone...Guess what? They are both Christians, and joint heirs with Christ. McCain does have my vote though.
To Bob of Atlanta, if you are referring to my blog about John McCain
being divorced,my comment was about how the Right Wing of the Repub-
Party can smear a Democrat Candidate about their past mistakes
and sing the blues about it.If Obama had and affair as McCain,
and married his mistress while he was still married to his first
wife you would have heard the Republicans talking about family
values and how important they are in a candidate for the presidency
of the U.S.. I am not judging any one ,I am only stating facts. I
have a problem with the word Christain most of the church people
use, especially the Evangecial Movement,I thought most Pharisees
were dead ,they are the judges of this country, when the last you
voted for a Democrat for president? They are the self-righteous ones.
You use the word Christain arrogance, what about the hypocrites
in the White Churches that are using Obama's en-experience rather
than to admit they won't vote him because he is black. McCain has
been in the senate for 26 years and voted against most every bill
that would have made a difference to the middle class.He still
doesn't have a plan to get this country on track. Do you make
more than 250,000 a year? If you are voting for McCain you must
be in the upper class. Bob you need to admit to yourself that
everytime someone use the word Christain that dosn't mean they are.
The Bible said, the tree is known by the fruit it bears. It's going
on right now with Sarah Palin,she has been called a righeous person
by a Evangecial Christain already without even knowing her back ground
completly.God will judge us fair on that day, I am glad I won't be
judged by your Republican Party? .Ask yourself the question
why did Rick Warren invited Obama to that forum when he knows
that 90% of his people are going to vote for McCain, this wasn't
about salvation it was about Politics.Their is a whole lot about
your Republican Party that is not right, don't forget about the
2000 election and how they cheated, and 2004 in Ohio they cheated
again. Remember how they did John Kerry about his Viet-
Nam heroism record ,and they dismissed Bush's papers that
talked about his National Guard record,the secretary said the
information was true, but she did't know about the signture.
I can go on and on.James Dobson and his crony prayed that it
would rain on the night that Obama would gave his his speech,
guess what? they are the religious Right of the Republican
Party, even though Rev. Dobson said's he won't vote for McCain,
but his followers will. I think you get the picture it not judging,
it's about facts and truth.I did't say a person could't
serve as president if he or she been through a divorce.Regan
divorce took place in 1948 because he was persueing politics,
he was the first president to went through a divorce. Remember
that Gustav kept the Republicans from having their full swing
Convention that Monday Night . Be careful what you pray for.
Pastor J.C. Sistrunk
Pastor J.C. Sistrunk
Thank you for the article. When I watched the forum I Thought Obama's responses were real, sincere, and thoughtful. Whereas McCain's responses were quick fundamentalist lines. Clearly those lines were what Rick Warren was wanting as well as the audience you could hear. Obama wants government to be effective for all citizens. As Christians we should care about health care for all, having better standing with other countries,not going to war, reaching out to less fortunate people to better themselves, and freedom to practice our faith.
I am a Christian who wants to share Christ and I am also pro-choice. I have no idea when life begins. I do know I don't want the government invading my private life and making my moral decisions for me. Republicans are not the moral authority and I hated to see them use this forum to make out like McCain is the real Christian.
Sherry Young
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