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Obama Wins at Saddleback!

posted by mhenneberger | 3:40pm Wednesday August 20, 2008

The McCain campaign sent out an email yesterday touting their guy’s performance with Pastor Rick: “The reviews are in from Saturday’s Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency, moderated by Pastor Rick Warren. The critics agree – John McCain’s straight talk emerged as the big winner of the night!” And unlike the McCain ad that blamed Obama for high gas prices, or the one that pretended he had no time for wounded soldiers in Germany, it happens to be true. Yes, the media all but universally held that in his debut as a religious conservative, Johnny Mac Rocked the Saddleback. And Obama? Even Drew Westen, who wrote the book on how Democrats can do better in the emotional realm in which elections are won and lost, thought Obama fell way short.

 

Apparently, I have no future as a theatre critic. But here’s why my Jesus-loving little baby heart swelled to the sound of Obama’s message that night: First, let’s face it, the man not only talks pretty, he God-talks pretty, and in a way that indicates he’s logged some miles in his walk. As Democrats before him have learned, you just can’t fake that, and woe unto him who tries. He was contemplative in his answers, but given the subject and the setting, wasn’t that a good thing? (Who knew the candidates would be judged by Jeopardy-contestant standards, on who buzzed in first? Men and women for 40, Alex.)

 

Truthfully, I was happy that Obama had to hear and grapple with Warren’s abortion question about at what point babies should be accorded human rights. The first part of his answer, that “answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade” is the sort of comment that might come off as flip when you read it, but seemed humble when he spoke it. But when he said we have to work to reduce the number – not just need, but number – of abortions, I could hardly believe my ears: That one word, number, represents an incredibly important shift. (And would it be so bad if we worked together to do both?)

 

The highlight, though, was when he said that “on this particular issue, if you believe that life begins at conception and you’re consistent on that, then I can’t argue with you.” Or call me names that keep us polarized and distracted from doing all we could on the goals we do agree on? Simple, but a huge deal for pro-life Democrats weary of being insulted by people with whom they agree on every other matter. Apparently, this is hard, but it is not complicated.

 

Obama’s answer on evil was the more classically Christian response: Easy peazy to say sure there’s evil and his name is Osama, but maybe less comfortable to say yeah, of course, but it’s also in our own neighborhoods and our own backyards and our own hearts. Little less easy to bomb that brand of evil, isn’t it?

 

It wasn’t that I thought McCain did a poor job, but his tone was so jocular and his answers far more political and secular; I don’t think he told any stories I hadn’t heard before. And he spoke with more passion about his Paul-to-Damascus moment on offshore drilling (“We gotta drill here! We gotta drill now!”) than on any aspect of his faith life. I do not doubt that he prayed his head off in Hanoi, but I would have liked to have heard a little something about the decades since he returned from Vietnam.

 

McCain’s answer on how rich is rich made no sense: “Some of the richest people I’ve ever known are the most unhappy…I want everybody to get rich.” And as others have pointed out, it’s just not true that “our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.” (Jews in Colonial America were not feeling the love, my friend, or even the tolerance.)

 

But my real problem with his performance was the disconnect between the fact that he worked war into every answer and then proclaimed that “this presidency will have pro-life policies.”

 

Doubtless some Democrats were relieved that Obama “lost” at Saddleback. But I’m sorry to inform them on life issues, he said what I’d been waiting to hear.

 

 

 

 



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Paul, seeking wisdom

posted August 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm


The GOP convention will have three PRO-Choice speakers, including the Keynote speaker. McCain is seriously looking at two pro-choice V.P. candidates.
The Democrats are having a pro-life speaker. Possibly will have a Roman Catholic V.P. and has defended the need to help women care for their children when they choose to give birth.
It seems to me that the Republicans who had their chance to change the law and chose NOT TO, are in fact liars and cheats who will say anything to get votes. Obama did not try to pull the wool over the eyes of the conservation Saddleback Church.
Yes Obama was a victor because he was honest.



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Taamar

posted August 20, 2008 at 7:17 pm


I agree with so much you have said, I appreciate the fact that Senator Obama gave thoughtful responses, and I would rather have him say things that I might not agree fully with than to have him be disingenous for applause. Now that we’ve had time to sit with the discussion for a while do we not care that some of the quick responses and anectdotes given by Senator McCain may not have been true (Cross in the dirt).
If Senator McCain is willing to follow Bin Ladin to the gates of hell,
why would he not share his strategy with President Bush….why wait?
I hate abortion, I also hate war. For me it wasn’t a matter of who won or who lost, but who gave you greater insight into what they genuinely believe…I think they both accomplished that.



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charles cosimano

posted August 21, 2008 at 12:53 am


Judging by the poll numbers, another such victory and Obama will lose 45 states.



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Jeff

posted August 21, 2008 at 12:14 pm


“humble when confronting evil”
humble (adj) – submissive, meek, compliant, resigned, mousey, cowering, yielding, cringing, shrinking, unaggressive, subdued, timid, unobtrusive, shy, acquiescent, in a word “pushover”.
So…we should submit to rapists, or cringe to terrorists, or yield to pedophiles.
EVIL is what it is. We should try to destroy evil with all of our might, NOT be subdued by it or submit to it.
Another example of how Obama’s LACK of experience, LACK of resolve, LACK of conviction, LACK of strength, LACK of intelligence, LACK of moral integrity/intelligence will doom America.



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KS

posted September 12, 2008 at 2:42 pm


“But when he said we have to work to reduce the number – not just need, but number – of abortions, I could hardly believe my ears: That one word, number, represents an incredibly important shift.”
No, it doesn’t. As you know, Bill Clinton said that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare … and this year’s Democrat platform has taken out the “rare.”



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KS

posted September 15, 2008 at 10:20 pm


PS Obama has said that he will sign the Freedom of Choice Act on his first day in the White House. He is too indebted to NARAL and Planned Parenthood to change that commitment, and it may well reflect his true feelings on the abortion issue. He praises Margaret Sanger.
Henneberger’s post was written when the news was full of Team Obama’s whining that McCain cheated by listening to the questions before his turn on stage. It seems like that should have been mentioned ….



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