Matthew 25 Network released the following statement today in response
to Governor Palin’s acceptance speech at the RNC Convention. In the
coming days we will be seeking thousands of signatures onto this statement from Christians leaders and individuals around the country.
UPDATE: You can sign the statement here.
So far more than 1,400 have signed, included distinguished religious leaders like Brian McLaren, Douglas W. Kmiec, Rev. Dr. Susan B. Thistlethwaite,
Vince Miller, Peter Vander Meulen, Rev. Dr. Derrick Harkins, Bart
Campolo, Sharon Daly, Rev. Wilfredo De Jesus, and Delores Leckey.
Add your voice for a more civil and compassionate religious voice in politics.
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Governor Palin, Put Away Falsehood
September 4, 2008
The Matthew 25 Network is extremely disappointed in Governor Sarah Palin‘s address last night at the Republican National Convention.
We call on her not only as a political figure, but also as a prominent
Christian, to commit herself to campaigning in good faith, with a
strong commitment to truth-telling.
As Christians, we
are called to be respectful and loving toward our neighbors, honoring
their intentions even if we disagree. We are also called to be truthful
in all things, to “put away falsehood” (Eph 4:25) and refrain from
slandering, belittling, or speaking out of contempt for anyone.
If these are the standards God has set for us in our personal lives,
our church communities, and our neighborhoods, how much more so should
they be for those of us who choose to be in the public eye?
Shouldn’t we expect our brothers and sisters in politics to also speak
the truth in love and to extend respect and goodwill even to those who
disagree with them?
Sarah Palin has shaped much of her
life around her Christian faith.[1] It has been continually suggested
that one of the major reasons John McCain
chose Palin as his running-mate was her Christian faith and her ability
to energize evangelical Christian voters. Thus, it is not a stretch to
say that Palin has been thrust into the position of being one of the
more visible faces of Christianity in today’s political scene.
As such, she has a calling higher than her responsibility to her
party’s victory in November – a calling to represent Christ in the
world. This is why her speech at the Republican National Convention
last night was so disappointing to us at the Matthew 25 Network.
To be blunt, we saw very little of Christ’s love in Sarah Palin’s
speech last night, as she heaped contempt on those who disagree with
her politically, while offering no vision for how to resolve the
critical issues facing Americans today like job loss, health care,
growing child poverty rates and the war in Iraq.
In questioning not only Barack Obama’s
policies but also his motivations, and mocking his career, Palin went
far beyond what could be considered acceptable disagreement and into
what looked like open hatred for her political opponents. The name of
Christ should never be associated with hate or contempt for one’s
fellow human being, but last night, in Sarah Palin, we believe it was.
Moreover, as has been documented by major media sources including the
Associated Press [2], Palin engaged in falsehoods not only about her
own record, but about Barack Obama’s record as a State Senator and as a
U.S. Senator. As Christians, we are called throughout Scripture to
speak the whole truth, to put away falsehood, to bear true witness even
when it hurts our own interests. The name of Christ should never be
associated with falsehoods or deception, but last night, in Sarah
Palin, we believe it was.
As a prominent face of Christians in politics, Sarah Palin is called to
do more than represent her party – she is tasked to represent Christ to
the world. We in the Matthew 25 Network call on Gov. Sarah Palin to
repudiate her attitude of contempt towards her political opponents and
tell the whole truth – if not for the sake of a more honorable
politics, then for the sake of our Christian witness in the world.
Senator McCain
is no less responsible because he selected Gov. Palin and praised her
speech, and he claims to be a Christian as well. It is ill-fitting to
use Christian identity
and language for one’s political advantage without seeking to live up
to that high calling. Ultimately, as the Presidential candidate,
Governor Palin’s tone and infidelity to truth reflect negatively on
Senator McCain as well.
[1] – TIME Magazine interview,
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1837536,00.html
[2] – “Attacks, praise stretch truth,” International Herald-Tribune.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/04/america/CVN-Fact-Check.php



posted September 4, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Amen! Where do I sign?
posted September 4, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Matthew 25:37″Then the progressives will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
And the King answered them, ‘Well…you didn’t, but you did vote for people who wanted to take what your neighbors had by force and use that to do all these things. Of course, this wasn’t nearly as effective as what I actually told you to do. Your way brings about rampant government waste, a reduction in the sense of responsibility and community between people, an entitlement mentality, a lessening in social action, and increased classism and racism. Your way even gave many an excuse for doing nothing, as evidenced by studies that indicate that conservatives were fully twice as likely to give their time and money to social causes as were liberals. It’s a subtle difference, I know, but one I find kinda important, since it means the difference between success and failure. I never even hinted that an approach such as yours would be a good idea–because it isn’t, and it actually does more harm than good–but I’m sure you meant well. I just wish you had done what I said.’”
posted September 4, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Mara: “To be blunt, we saw very little of Christ’s love in Sarah Palin’s speech last night.”
You have a lot of nerve with this holier-than-thou act. Naming your Democratic Party front-group for a chapter in Holy Scripture is the height of blasphemy … and represents an un-Holy mixing of religion and politics.
Gee, I wonder if the Rev. Barry Lynn (the “separation of church & state” advocate) has filed a complaint against your group? Hmmmmmm? Somehow, I doubt it.
As for reflecting Christ’s love … let’s compare the extraordinry love she and her husband have for their children, including an infant with Down’s and a pregnant teenage daughter … with the way your buddies in the press totally savaged this woman and her family over the past five days.
Hang your head in shame … if not for your actions … then certainly for your liberal friends and the way they behaved towards Palin’s family.
You want to organize a petition? Then how about organizing one where people can register their condemnation of the wholly un-Christian behavior of the media and the liberal blogosphere in trying to savage this woman … and her family.
posted September 4, 2008 at 6:24 pm
I saw very little of Christ in her speech and a whole lot of mammon. She may claim to walk the path, but her words dont profess it.
Obama has said to his people to lay off her family and her faith but to chalenge her ability and her record.
Matthew 25 group has a right to challenge her on her speech because it was nothing but bitter, bias hatred of Omama and without substance or fact. This is NOT What Jesus Would Do.
posted September 4, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Reaganite:
Ms. Palin and her family have not been “savaged” over the past 5 days. She was unknown, and she stepped into a very bright spotlight. She has been given the same treatment by the media that any unknown candidate would receive — regardless of party. Perhaps Ms. Palin should have stopped to consider the ramifications for her pregnant teenage daughter and the rest of her family when she took on this political race for a job for which she is clearly unqualified.
I would suggest as a mother and a Christian that Ms. Palin would best be serving her family and God by going back to Alaska and give both more attention. I cannot imagine the disruption she has brought to their lives already, and with more to come if she actually wins and has to move them all many thousands of miles away from everyone and everything familiar. Any executive has to look at the impact on their families in such a situation. It appears she has only succumbed to ambition.
posted September 4, 2008 at 6:42 pm
I seriously doubt that Sarah Palin takes the time to have a “one-on-one” walk with God, which is of the utmost importance. She talks her talk too well, having people to pray that an oil pipeline gets built, and blaming the people of Alaska for not having their hearts right with God.
I want to know if she is just a talker, or a real walker of the walk.
posted September 4, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Jamie: “Perhaps Ms. Palin should have stopped to consider the ramifications for her pregnant teenage daughter and the rest of her family”
Oh sure, let’s blame the victim why don’t we? Where’s is the outrage that should be directed at DailyKos and the liberal blogospher and the hateful journalists like CNN’s John Roberts and WaPo’s Sally Quinn and so many others for the way they savaged this woman’s family? Where were the feminists — the National Organization of Women, for example — and why didn’t they come to this woman’s defense? What a sorry bunch of hypocrites!
Jamie: “I would suggest as a mother and a Christian that Ms. Palin would best be serving her family and God by going back to Alaska and give both more attention.”
Oh sure, what you really mean is that Christians should withdraw from public life (gee, what if the Christian abolitionists in 19th century and Dr. MLK, Jr a century later had felt that way?). Or perhaps you’re one of those folks who thinks that a woman’s place is in the home — barefoot and pregnant. What about male politicians with young children: are they supposed to stay him and forego their desire to serve, too?
Scruffy: “Her speech … was nothing but bitter, bias(sic) hatred of Omama and without substance or fact.”
No, “Scruffy,” it was a speech at a political convention by a candidate in the midst of a very competitive election campaign. It was no more bitter or biased or partisan than the speeches delivered by Biden or Obama at last week’s Democratic Nat’l Convention. So, stop with the selective bellyaching. I don’t recall that you complained last week about Biden’s or Obama’s “bitter, biased” speeches at the DNC in Denver.
posted September 4, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Reaganite: As for reflecting Christ’s love … let’s compare the extraordinry love she and her husband have for their children, including an infant with Down’s and a pregnant teenage daughter … with the way your buddies in the press totally savaged this woman and her family over the past five days.
Let’s compare the extraordinary love she and her husband have for their infant with Down’s – and their claim that a Palin administration would be an advocate for children with special needs – with the reality that Sarah Palin, while Governor of Alaska, cut public school funding for special needs students by 62%.
Also, when did “their buddies in the press” – and I defy you to provide even one tangible link between the press rumors and any Democratic campaign, including the Matthew 25 Network – claim Christianity, as Palin has? The Matthew 25 petition specifically calls on Palin to change her tenor because as a prominent Christian whose faith plays a major if not dominant role in her campaign, she represents not only the Republican Party but Christianity. Will people watching her come away thinking of a Christ of love and honesty, or a Christ of resentment and deceit? Will people who know she is a Christian think more positively of Christianity because of her, or more negatively? It’s clear to me that it’s the latter… not the former. To this Christian, that poses a serious problem.
posted September 4, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I was Shocked to hear the things she said!. I personally don’t keep up with who is and is not Governor of what states, etc. I am apalled that she is Christian and then does this. She should stay a soccer mom. I hope the lord forgives her and her party as well. How can we now fix this outrageous thing that has taken place? Will the media stand up and say for example: You say you are Christian and you throw out this deplorable accusations in every direction that it can go?? What will we as Christians be able to do to correct what she has said??
posted September 4, 2008 at 10:59 pm
It’s nice to see someone call ‘foul’ in such a thoughtful, grounded way.
I’m sure that if/when the Dems offend the boundaries that M25 are trying to make more clear, they’ll meet with an equally judicious, reasoned, forceful statement.
Meanwhile, anything that helps get American political campaigns out of the gutter, and helps people recognize that very serious issues are at stake, is a good thing. Glad to read such thoughtful commentary.
posted September 5, 2008 at 2:35 am
Progressive Christians are raising the idol Moloch once again…
http://whyimnotademocrat.blogspot.com/2008/08/progressive-christians-wolves-in-sheeps.html
posted September 5, 2008 at 8:09 am
I love how you cite a blog that you yourself wrote, Todd. Maybe next time you could do us a favor and put the words “I think” in front of whatever else you say. That way we won’t have to bother to click on the link that goes directly to your blog to find out what you are referring to.
To Reaganite:
Mara Vanderslice’s post is legitimate, whether you want to see it that way or not. If a candidate holds herself up as a Christian exemplar, or makes a point to tell the public that she is the kind of Christian who believes so strongly in her type of religion that she’s absolutely going to legislate universally based on those religious views, then she had better “walk the walk” and act like a Christian in her daily life, including her speech. That’s what many have been trying to say to George Bush from day 1, as we all quickly discovered that his “compassionate conservatism” was just a buzzword and a total crock.
It’s hypocritical to accuse your opposition of pandering when you are doing the same thing. So shame on Sarah Palin.
posted September 5, 2008 at 9:33 am
“I am apalled that she is Christian and then does this”
And I’m appalled that Obama claims to believe in Christ and at the same time supports killing unborn babies.
But no politician is perfect.
posted September 5, 2008 at 11:00 am
Palin has discernment. What are all of you believing about
“Christ”. Do you believe he was meek and without the spirit
of confrontation.
GET BEHIND ME SATAN!!! GO AND SIN NO MORE!! Did he ask “Dear prince
of darkness, It must be so hard to be you. I don’t want to make you feel uncomfortable but could you maybe not tempt the believers, just
keep a low profile and I won’t teach my beliefs if it’s not the
way you believe?”
When the peddlars were in the temple hawking their stuff,
did meek Christ Ask “Will you be much longer in my father’s
house? I don’t want to inconvenience you by asking you to
leave now. I know you need to make some money today. I’ll just
hang out and wait” Uh, No!!!! THIS IS MY FATHER’S HOUSE!!!
And he proceeded to react and respond with a fury of spirit in
honor of his father!!!
So, don’t believe for one instant that the spirit makes you
meek and quiet and docile and oh so willing to be afraid to
react and respond WITH A STRONG AND CHALLENGING VOICE!!
If you think Palin used “mockery” and Jesus didn’t, I encourage you
to read his parables. And really truly listen to how he taught.
Are parables mockery?
posted September 5, 2008 at 11:04 am
“And I’m appalled that Obama claims to believe in Christ and at the same time supports killing unborn babies.
But no politician is perfect.
Posted by: Bob | September 5, 2008 9:33 AM”
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Bob:
The way you word it makes it seem like Obama enjoys seeing unborn babies killed, or that he is doing all he can to purposefully see to it that babies are killed. That kind of spin obfuscates the real issue, which is the difference between the words “pro-abortion” and “pro-choice.” Obama and others believe that a woman has the right to choose to terminate her pregnancy. When there is an unwanted pregnancy, abortion is just one of the options. What pro-choice folks like Obama wish to avoid is a government forcing a woman to bring a baby to term, regardless of her particular situation, what science tells her about the condition of her unborn child, and the circumstances around its conception. Jon Stewart explained this very well two nights ago when he was talking to Gingrich. What pro-choice people want is to avoid a situation where their daughter is raped and gets pregnant, and the government forces her to bring the baby to term. Regardless of what you think about the issue, for you to couch “pro-choice” in the “pro-abortion” terminology is unfair and only shows your bias.
It’s fascinating to watch the so-called “pro-life” set talk absolutely about pro-life in matters of abortion, but seem fine with the idea of soldiers (like Palin’s son) going into war and killing enemy human beings. They also don’t seem to mind the collateral damage comprised of women and children in these wars – and by a recent estimate around 90,000 civilian deaths in Iraq alone (iraqbodycount.org). From my experience, it’s rare to find a pro-life person who is truly pro-life in all matters, including war, the death penalty, and handgun use in the home for self-defense.
Furthermore, why isn’t the right using their influence, affluence and power to create alternatives for women who might consider abortion because they don’t believe they can adequately care for a baby? From all appearances, for the right, pro-life only pertains to being born. After that, forget ‘em. The right declares that poor people are poor because they choose to be, and if they get pregnant but can’t afford to raise a baby, that’s their fault for not being more careful. They abandon the poor to the ghettos and refuse to acknowledge society’s responsibility to care for ALL people – not to mention a few things Jesus said about taking care of the poor. The abortion issue is intricately tied into the issue of poverty, racism and the marginalization of people groups in our inner cities.
Furthermore, why won’t the right accept responsibility for their part in the number of abortions in America? There is a direct link between “abstinence only” education and teen pregnancy. The church creates the stigma that girls who get pregnant are “sinful,” refuses to teach teenagers about sex or birth control, teaches them that using birth control is sinful, and then acts surprised which daddy’s little girl feels she has to sneak out and get an abortion. The truth is it’s sadly easier to abort the baby than it is to face the stigma that the church has created and fostered. I live in Texas, grew up So. Baptist, and I have seen this scenario happen again and again with people.
It’s easy to make shallow pronouncements and slogans about abortion, but it’s a highly complex issue that needs real thinking through – and that’s never going to happen when right wingers spend all their time launching rhetorical attacks and painting everything as black and white.
posted September 5, 2008 at 11:08 am
M:
Why are you equating Gov. Palin with Jesus?
And why are you ignoring all the verses where Jesus spoke of loving your enemy, forgiving, being peaceful, etc. and just quoting verses where he spoke angrily and directly? That’s not a very fair use of scripture as evidence for your argument that Christians need to go around mocking those they disagree with.
posted September 5, 2008 at 12:51 pm
James:
Calling abortion “Child Murder” isn’t launching a rhetorical attack: it is calling a spade a spade. To succeed, our beliefs about any given problem must first match reality. Real reality. The fact is sex causes pregnancy and STDs. If you don’t want babies, don’t have sex. I don’t know where you’re getting your data, but I see abstinence working fantastically well in many places, especially Africa, where nations practicing it to lower the incidence of AIDS have offered to send people here to show us how it’s done.
To put the child murder in another light:
“What pro-slave folks like Douglas wish to avoid is a government forcing a slave owner to release his slaves, regardless of his particular situation, what science tells him about the humanity of the slave, and the circumstances around its servitude. Jon Stewart explained this very well two nights ago when he was talking to Gingrich. What pro-slave people want is to avoid a situation where their farm is strapped financially, and the government forces him to release his slaves.” There were many who supported Stephen Douglas as well.
Fewer than 2% of abortions result from rape or incest. Jon Stewart is dishonest and you know it.
Conservatives are statistically twice as likely as liberals to contribute time and money to social causes. I’m raising a child in my house who was taken from his drug addict mother (and, no, we’re not receiving any money for it). How many are in your house?
posted September 5, 2008 at 2:30 pm
When Jesus dealt with the religious hypocrites who were in power what did he say??? As I recall, he called them serpents, children of the devil,, liars,, etc..
When the religious hypocritical leaders tried to silence Paul, he said not to give subjection even for one hour that the truth of the Gospel might continue..
As I see it Sarah talked like a lamb…and she did not tell one lie…
I cannot say the same for Obama’s Matthew 25 sinisters..They twist the Bible out of recognization..
These sinisters believe all men are children of god…These words make Jesus into a liar.. Read Matthew13 -35-38..It is about the 10 virgins.. He calls them the wheat and the tares.. He calls the wheat God’s children and he calls the tares Satan’s children.. and by the way the time frame he is speaking of is today..
The Matthew 25 group are not the wheat..They may have been wheat once but they have withered into weeds since they forsook Jesus and are following Obama…For Gods sake.. The is is not a Joshua generation.. This is a Barabbas generation.. The people are shouting ‘give us Barabbas, crucify Jesus’.. Barabbas as all those who perform and sanction abortion murder are murders like Barabbas…The Matthew 25 group as the other Obama sinisters have forsook the truth…These are the great falling away the Bible warned would precede the return of Jesus…There are sufficient warnings in the Bible , These are without excuse..
posted September 5, 2008 at 3:09 pm
If one were to take seriously David Poole’s assumption that having an abortion is “Child Murder,” then what do you call it when God so arranges it that a very large percentage of embryos (of human females) are aborted? Does that make God a “Child Murder”? Or is it the pregnant woman that is the “Child Murderer”?
You profess to be interested in facts. The fact is that Republican abstinence-only sex education has been an enormous failure in the USA. That is the country where Palin is wanting to impose her “religious” views on the entire population.
Your pro-slavery analogy is pathetic. Slaves are clearly persons, they were legally recognized as at least 3/5 persons (for some purposes). Human embryos are not clearly persons, nor are they even 3/5 persons legally. The only clear point of analogy is that many of the same arguments are being used by so-called Christians against abortion (and the rights of women) that were used by so-called Christians in favor of slavery and against the rights of blacks. Could that be why the analogy is so attractive to you?
Your alleged 2% of abortions related to rape or incest amounts to what? Is it only about 200,000 to 300,000 troubled and violated women per year in the USA hoping to regain some semblance of control over their own lives? Are you suggesting that such numbers are negligble?
Twice as likely? I suspect that you include contributions to churches and televangelists as contributions to “social causes.” Some of that is essentially indistinguishable from “contributions” to the mafia, who are involved in influencing society too.
The Matthew 25 group are quite correct in the disconnection between Palin’s professed Christian status and her conduct in her acceptance speech. That is all the more evident if one is actively involved (as she have been for about 30 years) with Christian groups that profess to take seriously a flawless, always true, “inerrant Bible.”
posted September 5, 2008 at 4:17 pm
David Poole:
I’d like to respond to your comments.
1. Using Africa as your example is strange, since whether to have sex or not there can have life or death consequences. Well, it can here too, it’s just not as likely. But we’re talking about American teens anyway – do you remember when you were a teen or a young man? Hormones out of control, everywhere you go you’re being bombarded with images and messages about sex… it’s just unrealistic to think that just saying “don’t have sex” is going to make American teens say, “okay – you’re right – no sex for me.” So I reject your analogy and I say again that abstinence only education does not work. I don’t even need to cite studies (and I have read some that show this) – mere common sense tells one this. And like I said, my experience working with teenagers both in churches and as a high school teacher only confirms this to me.
2. I’m ignoring your slavery example, as that is clearly a different issue altogether.
3. It doesn’t matter, technically, whether 99% of abortions stem from rape or .00001% do. But if it’s true that 2% of abortions stem from rape, and my wife is part of that 2% who is raped and conceives, she isn’t going to be too happy if the government tells her she has to bring that baby to term.
4. Okay, then what is the reason for the other 98% of abortions? I notice that you have no response to my comments about the direct correlation between church teachings and attitudes and abortion. I’m not surprised, though – there’s no response to it other than to admit that it’s true. The church and no one else creates the stigma against teen sex and teen pregnancy. The church also refuses to teach young people about sex or about birth control – and many church people work the government & schools over to get them to follow suit. So when a young middle class girl goes too far with her boyfriend and gets pregnant, she is far more likely to go get it “taken care of” than she is to fess up and face the immense social pressure in her life that tells her only “sluts” “sinners” and “fallen girls” have sex and get pregnant. That’s a fact bro – that stuff is happening all around us every day. I worked in churches, I taught at high schools – I saw it with my own eyes.
5. Jon Stewart is not dishonest – he actually has the guts to tell the truth against a sea of liars, cheats and hypocrites.
6. Finally, that’s great what you are doing for that child – and sure there are always individual examples that run counter to trends. But I find your claim that religious conservatives are more active in social causes than religious progressives to be pretty unlikely. All my life I’ve heard moaning from the right about the evils of “social ministry” and the “social gospel.” Surely you can’t just ignore that trend. From my experience – at least down here in Texas – conservative churches are more interested in building million dollar complexes than they are in helping feed or clothe the poor. Usually their ministries in these social areas are miniscule and insignificant in comparison to the tide of dollars they pour down the gullet of facilities, salaries, and other church-as-corporation areas.
And please don’t try to tell me that Republicans care more about the poor than Democrats. That’s about as laughable as Republican delegates waving “Prosperity” signs at the RNC.
posted September 5, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Asinus Gravis:
God made us and owns us and therefore has the right to kill anyone He wants, at any point in our lives. This would not make Him a murderer of any kind, “murder” being “killing without the right to kill.” Let’s not forget that God eventually kills us all.
I’m amazed at how frequently there are two sets of data available on the Internet. I know Al Franken has said “Abstinence doesn’t work” (which is false by definition, but I’m sure he meant “teaching abstinence doesn’t reduce the teen pregnancy rate”). But I’ve seen statistics which indicate that teens in church programs that commit to virginity until marriage have achieved 40% reductions in pregnancy rates over safe sexers, and that’s without guarding them from the sex-soaked influences of public schools, movies, music, the Internet, and television. I’ve not heard Mrs. Palen say she wants to impose anything on the entire nation, but, when the alternative is child murder, I hope she does.
My pro-slavery analogy is accurate. Abortion is the same issue in a more deadly form. Both involve the victimization of a politically powerless and invisible group by a more powerful special interest. Slaves were not legally recognized as persons–not even 3/5ths as you state, but were merely counted in the census as 3/5ths of a person for purposes of Federal resource allocation. Consider:
Supreme Court, 1857: Dred Scott v. Sandford found that Africans and their descendants could never be citizens of the United States and they therefore “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”
Supreme Court, 1973: Roe v. Wade and Doe v Bolton found that “the word ‘person,’ as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn” which means they are not entitled to protection under our laws.
They are the same problem, both victimized because they are not considered citizens.
“You can’t tell me what to do with my property!”
“You can’t tell me what to do with my body!”
“Slave Owners’ Rights” — “Womens’ Rights”
Both do/did invoke rage and vitriol, stemming from the fear that someone is going to take away an imaginary right.
Both were/are incredibly inconvenient to do away with.
Democrats defended both slavery and child murder.
Evangelical Christians oppose both slavery and child murder (because the Bible hasn’t changed and the innocent are still innocent).
Liberal clergy defend them both; conservative clergy condemn them both.
We even have a modern Underground Railroad; they’re called Crisis Pregnancy Centers.
It’s the same moral issue, just a different set of victims. And if you really believe a child in the womb is not a person, please visit a CPC as soon as possible to look at a 3D sonogram.
This is one so-called Christian who can’t even imagine how statements like the above could be used in favor of slavery and against the rights of blacks, as you claim. My adopted son is black, so you can put that card back in the deck.
Two percent amounts to approx. 25,000 per year in the U.S. This is a horrifying number and a horrifying subject all around, but my point is that stuffing 1,275,000 non-rape induced human children down garbage disposals is an atrocity and unacceptable side effect.
I suspect you’re right that my conservative contributions number includes churches and televangelists, but then the liberal number would likely include PETA and ASPCA, whose beneficiaries aren’t members of society at all. And don’t forget they would also include contributions to Planned Parenthood, which promotes teen sex and murders children.
posted September 6, 2008 at 2:29 am
You know, I just read the AP article referenced, and it doesn’t actually refute anything (except possibly the raising of the death tax) that Palin said. It has some statements she made and then some facts, but the facts they present don’t actually contradict the quotes from Palin. For example, she said she vetoed WASTEFUL spending, ended ABUSES on earmarks, and said no to the bridge. Then the FACTS part tells some of what she did, but none of it makes her statements false. Then she said “…that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate.” The the FACTS part tells how O helped pass legislation and co-signed a bill or two, but it doesn’t mention anything he AUTHORED. It appears some stuff McCain said was a stretch, and the Huckabee thing was apparently false (although I’d heard it from other sources prior to Huckabee), but you guys are up in arms over Palin’s statements, which appear from the AP report to have been completely true. Did anybody actually read this article before signing this petition? Or did you write the complaint beforehand? Can you really not see the falsehood in this?
posted September 6, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Palin and McCain both LIVE OUT Matthew 25 by ACTUALLY caring for, in their own homes some of “the least of these”. I am referring to Palin’s special needs baby, and McCain’s daughter rescued from harms way in Indonesia. Obama loves to quote scripture and then does not care for the “least” except when he is paid by a governmental body. In fact he said back in March that he would prefer his daughter have an abortion rather than “be punished” for her mistake. *NOTE: that would be his own grandchild!
Your primary thesis is all-partisan, all-the-time, you seem to dislike who Palin associates with, but don’t have anything substantive to back it up. If thats the standard why do you not point out that Obama associates closely with an anti-semitic Pastor, and radicals named Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn who recently still thought it was okay to kill cops, -thier own admissions-. I guess “thou shalt not kill”, and “the enemy only comes in to steal, kill, and destroy” gets carefully cut out of your scriptures.
So; Palin and McCain take the vulnerable and innocent into their homes, and Barack would solve it by killing th child in the womb. I see no clearer indication of the calloused heart of Barack and this new mind-darkened movement of the “progressive Christian”.
To actually obey the commands of Christ is compassion, take your neighbors property by governmental force to be “compassionate” is simply the sin of covet. Look at who actually went home justified in Luke 11, was it the religious scripture quoting government agent, or the one who actually did what pleased God?
posted September 6, 2008 at 1:46 pm
**oops sorry, Luke 11 is a typo… I was referring to the Parable of The Good Smaritan, Luke 10
posted September 6, 2008 at 3:54 pm
What about the 49,000,000 million babies who were slaughtered while in the womb. Who is speaking out on their behalf?
posted September 8, 2008 at 3:27 am
Hello,
I just wanted to advise for all those people on here talking baby killing speech, that you guys need to seriously read up on the bible. If you knew what Matthew 25 was about you would understand that God said judgment was left up to him and we are suppose to show sensitivity to all of his creatures. Not some but all.
Obama doesn’t approve of killing babies, he approves to let people make their own decisions and then they would be accountable to god not him. Obama is not responsible for being everybody’s mother and father. The last time I checked, I think God would be the highest authority on the matter which would leave that up to the individual and GOD. Not the public, not the people that are a part of the public but the person and GOD.
So since you guys have always failed to do that, then might don’t you think about it before you decide to stand before God one day. He does not need people being forced to be Christian or believe in him. I think from the beginning he has always given us a choice in the matter.
The greatest gift that he every granted anybody was the right to a choice. That happened in the garden of eden for which is my “memory” serves me properly was a decision that Eve made herself. He did not say I grant you this gift so I can tell you how to use it. Otherwise, the gift of choices towards our lives would not be a gift and he would have never given it to us.
So stop pushing this slander please… I think you have other things to worry about like Palin’s fanatic Christian views and if she plans on making her bid for the white house a bid to endocrine us all into Joel’s Army.
posted September 8, 2008 at 1:37 pm
ruth: As I see it Sarah talked like a lamb…and she did not tell one lie…
Wow. You must have a very flexible – or perhaps nonexistent – standard for truth if you think Palin didn’t tell any lies. FactCheck.org put out a pretty good roundup of all Palin’s lies and falsehoods – including her claim that she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (she didn’t until it became politically inconvenient) and that Barack Obama hasn’t done anything in the Senate (he has, in fact, been instrumental in ethics reform and anti-proliferation efforts).
Of course, that hasn’t stopped McCain-Palin from continuing to lie about her stance on the Bridge to Nowhere, about her stance on pork in general (she was all for it when she was the mayor of Wasilla, and was all too happy to serve on a 527 devoted to re-electing the King of Pork, the indicted Sen. Ted Stevens), and about Obama’s tax proposals and legislative record. It would appear that the McCain-Palin campaign puts a lower priority on truth-telling than they do on winning… and this from a campaign where both principals claim to be Christians.
Should a Christian lie to get ahead? In any other situation, Christians would say absolutely not. But when politicians who claim to be Christian come along and lie continually and brazenly, long after they have been made aware that their claims are untrue even by those outside the campaign (to say nothing of the fact that their campaign should also be engaged in fact-checking), this is excused by politically conservative Christians.
Even if conservative Christians aren’t going to change their support for McCain-Palin – which is their right – shouldn’t they be the loudest, strongest, and boldest voices demanding that a campaign claiming to represent them do nothing but tell the whole truth at all times? The silence of prominent Christian conservatives – to say nothing of the rank and file – in taking McCain and Palin to task for their continual engagement in falsehoods is nothing short of deafening.
Palin, whether she likes it or not, represents Jesus Christ. Is Christ well-represented by someone who is willing to stand in front of millions of people and lie simply to further her own career?
posted September 11, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Sarah Pelin said sending troops to Iraq is God’s will. That’s offensive. The Iraq war is Bush and Cheney and some other disgraced politician (such as Paul Wolfowitz and “Scooter” Libby)’s will. It’s Pelin’s choice if she decides to regard those people as God, but clearly they are not my God. My God is Jesus. My God will never endorse a war with misleading information (or called false intelligence). My God is always telling the truth to his people.
Also I want to point out that my God does not like his name used for dirty politics. His name is holy and shall never be related to lies and personal attacks.
I pray for Sarah Pelin. I pray my God Jesus will give her wisdom so she will stop the disgraceful acts.
posted September 24, 2008 at 3:24 pm
It’s a little late for this but I have to say something. I doubt you would find enough voters who even know what Matthew 25 is, much less care, to elect a sewer commissioner in Peoria.