Diana Butler Bass and Paul Raushenbush both stand firmly within the Mainline Protestant tradition and, along with guest bloggers of all religious backgrounds are dedicated to the revival of religious progressivism and its influence in American politics.
Unrealistic? Yep.
When the terrorist organizations and religious fanatics decide Israel has a right to exist, then the violence will stop. Even the Messiah (aka Obama) and 1,000 "Peace Conferences" will never ever stop this conflict. This is beyond anything Obama or this blog or this comment can ever understand. If Israel was a 1 story building among Arab land...these terror groups would plot around the clock to demolish that building. You can't sit and talk any of this out. Never have been able to and never will. Israel is doing whatever it has to do to ensure their existence. Now we can be what every other cowardly mindless nation was after 9/11...a useless bystander.
Nice dream though...maybe it can happen, nothing is ever 100 percent!
David - Peace cannot be dependent on the Other changing. Peace can only come from a decision to change regardless of what the Other is perceived to believe.
Why is Hamas popular in Gaza? Because they provide social services for the people. This does not excuse their violent actions and bad intentions for Israel. But it illustrates yet again how to win hearts and minds - take care of the people! Israel could begin feeding, clothing, housing, and healing Palestinians this afternoon if it wanted to. And in so doing Hamas would be reduced to the fringe extremist movement that it is.
No amount of violence from Israel, justified or not under concepts of self-defense, will defeat Hamas, Hizbulah, and other terrorist groups as effectively as humanitarian acts of peace and love toward the Palestinian people.
5,000 years of war have failed to produce peace. Isn't it time, as Rabbi Lerner writes, to follow a path to peace made of peace?
you show no understanding of the situation and the parties involved. frankly, you seem to live in fantasy world.
why don't you simply call for Israel and all that live in Israel to simply commit suicide. it would be faster and cheaper.
Is it too much to dream of a country where Jews and Palestinians live side by side, work side by side, govern side by side, for the good of a united country? Is it possible?
Let' just talk about the two-thousand pound elephant standing in the living room... the number one goal of the Zionist occupation is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
To put it another way, for Zionism to work, the Palestinians have to be killed - or made into refugees.
Now look at Gaza.
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War is human failure no matter how you look at it. God did not create countries or religions. People created these, and mostly by killing each other. You must conclude that this conflict is insanity. Killing others to stop killing. How much more insane can it be. Non violence can finally solve the problem. And it is not a simple matter of being a "peacenik". Non violence (Ahimsa or satayagraha) are dynamic forces that can be applied to violent situations to resolve them. It has worked many times on this planet.
Pride, nationalism, religion, self interest- on both sides. It's the same old story that mankind has been writing from the very beginning of time. Rationalize and justify that which serves you best. Or better stated, that which you have rationalized to serve you best.
If peace were truly sought by either side, one would pack up and leave. I could never allow my children to suffer from my own foolish pride. Whether it be Israelite or Palestinian, both are wrong.
Applaud! This must work and Obama must enact change to change the world.
While I applaud you for making plans concerning the Isreal and the middle east. I have to say there you go again! Let the people solve there own problems!!!! Outside interference does nothing but make the situation more dangerous and attempts to force a moral and ethical solution to the problem that can only be solved from within Isreal and Palistinian people. You cannot force peace it comes from within each of us. Obama is only a servant of the U.S. people and a protector of our interest in the world. Degrading our strongest ally in geographic area where most nations see us as THE GREAT SATAN is not in our interests. It has to be allowed to play out. If your nieghbor was being eaten by lions would not hand him a pistol to kill the lions or shoot them yourself. It not that you hate the lion but that you must save your nieghbor... Let these people work it out for themselves Isreal has a pistol let them use it...
So much has been written about the Arab-Israel conflicts. It is almost universally accepted that this small piece of the Land on the meeting point of the two continents of Asia and Africa is the greatest flash-point in the world- the most violent, volatile and dangerous one. While at the basic level, it is a dispute between Israel and Palestinians, on a broader level it can be extended and linked to the so-called “Clash of the Civilizations” as enunciated by Huntington.
The current ongoing violence is only one more example in this long and uninterrupted series of violence, death and destruction. While it is very difficult for any definite and final stating of facts in any matter related with the Palestine-Israel conflicts because of the distortion of facts, figures and the accompanied truth in the process, what is generally accepted is that this time it was Israel which attacked the Gaza strip which has been given to the Palestinian population as a result of the Oslo agreements. It is also being believed that the Israeli army and Air force have made many brutal and damaging attacks on the Palestinian civilian population in this region in which many innocent people including even hapless women and children have lost their lives or have been severely injured. Israel, on the other hand, blames the Palestinians, particularly the Hamas for propagating incessant violence and openly proclaims that whatever Israel is doing is only in its self-defence.
As far as the world reaction is concerned, there is a extreme polarization between the two groups. There is no doubt that both Israel and Palestine have their own traditional friends and foes. Then there are others who are seen shifting their positions as per the context and circumstances. USA is the staunchest Israeli ally and the Arab world is generally pro-Palestine. As far as their condemning or protecting either of these two sides is concerned, it generally depends on the siding with two parties.
If one talks to a Palestinian, one will come to believe that there is no one worse than an Israeli in this world. He will present himself as the epitome of all the virtues and pious intentions and will call Israelis with all sorts of names. To them, the entire burden of the conflict will shift on Israel for having committed all sorts of atrocities on Palestine and its people, including taking away their land and displacing them from their beloved homeland. If, at all, Palestine is resorting to any violence, it is only as a last resort- simply to save itself. An Israeli’s opinion will be exactly the same. For him, a Palestinian will be a cheater, a thief, a mercenary, a hateful creature, a most unscrupulous person, a thug, a rogue and a spiteful chap. Again, he will present himself as a gentle, sublime, decent, ethical, aesthetic, simple and law-abiding person who has been condemned, persecuted, prosecuted and harmed for centuries.
So, which of these two groups is true- the Israeli or the Palestinians? To me it seems that the truth, like so many such cases, lies somewhere in between. In fact a general overview of the situation would let people understand that the real guilt lies in the extraneous situations and the circumstances and not with these two affected parties. While this does not mean that both these parties are holier-than-thou or have nothing to do with the hateful violence but it can be easily said that much more than their fault, it is the fault of the third parties, the external ones which has today resulted in such an anomalous and difficult situation having crept in where there is one baby with two fathers. The only practical and feasible solution is a two-nation solution, as and when it gets mutually accepted and practically implemented. It might be in the form of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip for Palestinians and the rest to Israel or in any other suitable form.
But why the conflict? The conflict arises from competing Jewish and Arab national aspirations for the same region which one of them calls and believes to be Palestine (a the land they had been living for the last thousand years or so) and the other as Israel (the mythical promised homeland of the world-wide Jews). And the real culprit are the powerful and self-seeking European Nations, Britain being in lead, who left behind so many artificial and non-ending disputes all over the places they ruled and where they created so many irregular, unwarranted and illogical barriers and boundaries that suited them. In this particular case, the British played simultaneously with these two Nationalities making conflicting promises to both in the forms of the Hussein-McMahon correspondence and the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which supported the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. It was only because of this two-mouthed British policy that tensions between Arab and Jewish groups in the region erupted into physical violence resulting in so many riots. And when the British thought that the heat being generated out of this was too much for it to handle, it left the place one fine morning leaving the place to simmer and burn with intermittent volcanic eruptions since then.
In 1947, the U.N. did approve the partition of the land but the Arabs of that time underestimated Israelis resulting in the ill-fated Arab-Israel war of 1948.
Without going into any further history, I would end this Article by saying that the Arab-Israel conflict is an extremely sad, ill fated and misfortunate saga of blood and gory. Thousands of innocent people on both the sides have died, giving rise to so many heroes and villains on both sides of border.
But who is the real enemy- once it was Britain and today, it is both of them who are still behaving like the illegitimate fratricidal children of Britain. And what is the way out? The only way out is peaceful, mutual coexistence, without going into the detailed analysis of who did what and who is responsible for what putrid acts. Because getting down to that is like opening a Pandora’s box where there would be no ending to accusations and counter-accusations. So, peace would reign in this region, as and when it finally does, only when they both realize that they don’t have the capacity to exterminate the other and will go on to exist in each-other’s neighbourhood. So why not say enough is enough and accept the other side, even with complete distaste.
Dr Nutan Thakur,
Editor,
Nutan Satta Pravah,
Lucknow
India
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