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Julian Bond: Black Rights and Gay Rights - A Common Struggle

Saturday March 21, 2009

This is a wonderful video for anyone who cars about the civil rights of all people.  It puts to rest the false idea that African Americans are more homophobic than other Americans.   Homophobia has no race and bigotry towards gay people...
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panthera
March 22, 2009 9:17 AM

He gets it. What a genuinely patriotic, wonderfully Christian man he is.

The Dissident
March 22, 2009 6:57 PM

I'm glad we still have the older generation of civil rights leaders with us, now all we have to do is walk in their hollowed footsteps.

pagansister
March 22, 2009 8:20 PM

Am so glad that Julian Bond has spoken out on this issue. Some who post on B'net and others as well, have totaly denied that the struggle for Gay rights is simular to the struggle for Black rights. It is fortunate that Bond sees the issue as "a common struggle".

Lauren
March 22, 2009 11:10 PM

Wonderful speech!

Gab
March 23, 2009 12:58 PM

God intended for same-sex marrage, let it be that way

T
March 23, 2009 2:32 PM

I am still not convinced that gay civil rights and gay marriage are the same thing. Gays can be given equal civil rights without legally recognized marriage. What gays want is a shortcut to civil rights through legal marriage. As a married heterosexual, I will gladly give up any special rights I enjoy due to my legally recognized marriage in order to achieve equality.

panthera
March 23, 2009 3:47 PM

T,
I am glad you aren't shouting or screaming or frothing at the mouth. It is a pleasant change of pace around here, let me tell you.

Actually, and I speak as a man happily married to another man (we live in a country where gay marriage confers the same responsibilities and rights as heterosexual marriage), we don't want marriage as a short cut to civil rights.

We want marriage for the exact same reasons as do heterosexuals. To have the same protections which enable us to fulfill our responsibilities to each other. Here, in my country, were I to have an accident, my husband could handle all my affairs. Were this to happen in the US - despite our having spent several tens of thousands of dollars on drafting legal documents - it would merely require the intervention of one of my nieces to have us separated, prevented from seeing each other for perhaps the very last time.

My American fundamentalist Christian family did exactly that to me in 2005 when my parents were both grievously injured and not expected to live. The Catholic hospital obeyed my brother's wish to keep me away from them, I had to go to court. His reasoning? As an openly gay man, I was indulging in sin!

When two kidneys were needed (one for each parent) and the only two possible candidates were my brother and myself he actually committed false witness and called the laboratory to tell them that I was a homosexual and thus had Aids! Now, I am HIV- so this was a lie, but because of his words, had my father not rallied, he would have died!

T., I fear you have no idea with what gays in loving, committed relationships are confronted in the US. We have no protection and the legal documents the conservative Christians are always insisting would help us are of no value when even a blood relative of the third degree disagrees with them.

I won't even discuss the attempts to strip gay couples of their children, but if you really want a heart-breaking look at just what we confront, I can refer you to the Florida situation for two young boys...

Husband
March 24, 2009 10:45 AM

T,

I would love to believe you but ...

"Gays can be given equal civil rights without legally recognized marriage."

If that were true, gays should already have "civil rights", namely, equal treatment before the law. They don't. Aside from the 1,176 benefits that are denied to gay citizens, there are still 37 States in which one can still be fired merely for being gay. Nevermind inheritance rights, pension rights, health care rights, hospital and funeral rights and end-of-life decision making rights. You are simply wrong.

"What gays want is a shortcut to civil rights through legal marriage."

Gay citizens should already have equal civil rights. They don't. Legal, equal marriage is simply one right (liberty, actually) that gay American citizens simply do not have. One of a very, very long list.

"As a married heterosexual, I will gladly give up any special rights I enjoy due to my legally recognized marriage in order to achieve equality."

Nice of you to say, but sorry, I sincerely doubt you would. Please let us know which of those civil rights, privileges, iberties, etc. enumerated above you would be willing to forego. We're very curious.

And you could start by telling us that you would be happy to have your marriage downgraded to a "civil" union so that you, too, could be denied those benefits. This should be interesting.

Donna Peries
March 24, 2009 10:23 PM

Husband,

Good response to T, however, this is a tired lie from the Christian Extremest.

It's interesting, until recent events showing the real hatred toward gays, not once has the issue of equal rights been pushed by these same "Christians".

In fact, quite the opposite has been true. Year after year, state after state (and nationally) the Christian Extremists have lied and prostituted God to beat down any fair treatment of gays.

You can not believe these Christian Extremest, no one should ever believe they have any intent of helping to secure Civil Rights for gays.

Recent articles have started to reveal the talking points from the Christian Extremest with the backdrop of current events; "anti gay marriage is not anti gay rights". It's absolutely laughable. They lie with no hesitation.

If there is anything you can count on from the these folks it is deception and lies. In summary, don't take the bait. It is nothing more than a distraction.

Today, arrogance is the deity of the Christian Extremest, not God.

Donna

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