There are a lot of areas in this bill that specifically refer to end of life counseling mandates that will increase as a patient’s health deteriorates. You must use govt approved end of life resourses; gvt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, etc; there are gvt mandates for orders for end of life; gvt will decide what level of treatment you can have at end of life etc (pages 425 through 430).
The bill specifically mentions health care rationing and that the government will tell you what health care is covered and what is not. pages 85, 268, 272, 354, 632 as a few examples.
Concerning abortion see pages 769 – 770 mandates State Family Planning Services and increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.
Concerning controlling your life, watch what you smoke, what you eat, what you drink, etc – see page 935-936.
Health care reform is important. This bill as written is just plain scary. I do not want all that government control in my life, and these are just a very few examples of what is in the bill. It is not health care reform – it is government control.
And may I mention the pages that specify that illegal aliens shall be covered – without cost ( it specifies that the taxes to be charged to you and me to cover their care will not be charged to them).
Read the bill – if you like horror stories.

Ms. Price,
You are lying through your teeth. False witness is a sin!
Not only do you conservative Christians cherry-pick the Bible, you also cherry-pick proposed legislation in order to twist it to fit your needs.
Folks, she’s not telling the truth.
Honestly. This is just plain disgusting.

See the link for a neutral, unbiased look at what’s good and not so good in the current proposals under consideration.
The lying, twisted points Ms. Price listed are taken from the lies distributed by conservatives to their followers to disseminate as part of their propaganda.
We need a serious discussion on this, not these hateful lies and manipulative actions. There is nothing Christian about denying people proper health care.
I find the lie about aiding illegal aliens especially un-charitable and purely un-Christian. What sort of horrible people are conservative Christians that they would even tell such lies and abuse the weakest of the weak to further their perverted goals?

Unfortunately Jim Wallis has no impact on the final version of Obamacare. So his claim to be telling truth about it not covering abortion is beyond his control and for one, it outright lie based on what we know about it right now. President Obama has stated to Planned Parenthood that he would not yield on the issue of abortion. Abortion has become synonymous with “reproductive health” with Liberals and I will be shocked if they do not cover abortion as part of Obamacare.

Why do you expect conservatives to change now?
They just continue to lie, and as long as these people think they can profit from their lies, they’ll continue to do so.

Is lying okay if you doing in the name of Jesus Christ, Ronald Reagan and the wallet?

hootie1fan,
But of course it is!
After all, it says so right here in the Bible:
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” (Exodus 20:16, the Eighth Commandment).
Whoops.

Posting point proven with the comments. It is a shame that being right has become more important than being a community of truth tellers and seekers. Paul describes our society well and admonishes us clearly in Romans 12.

Shame on you Sheryle.
“There are a lot of areas in this bill that specifically refer to end of life counseling mandates that will increase as a patient’s health deteriorates.”
Lie #1. The bill does not “mandate”; it makes counselling services available – as an option – and then says such counselling will be covered under the bill.
“You must use govt approved end of life resourses”
Lie #2. Government resources will be available – as an option. Not “must” be used.
“gvt will instruct and consult regarding living wills”
Lie #3. The government makes information and counselling available, not “will instruct”.
“there are gvt mandates for orders for end of life”
Lie #4. Information about options, not “orders for end of life”.
“gvt will decide what level of treatment you can have at end of life”
Lie #5. Government will tell you what treatment options will be available to citizens, which ones will be covered and which ones won’t.
A reminder, Sheryle, bearing false witness is a sin.

“government will tell you what health care is covered and what is not”
So? Insurance companies do that now – and their motive is profit.
“State Family Planning Services and increasing birth intervals between pregnancies”
Planning one’s family is not synonymous with abortion. Nor is increasing intervals between pregnancies (which sounds like sound advice to me).
Being advised to “watch what you smoke, what you eat, what you drink” again sound like sound advice to me. It hardly ‘controls people’s lives’. You will still have the option of smoking (yeah, that’s sooo good for you – and the people who have to inhale your 2nd hand smoke). You will still have the option of eating what you wish, though consuming Big Macs and Quarter Pounders with cheese ’til you puke doesn’t sound healthy to me (this is still about “health” care, isn’t it?). You will still have the option to be a fool and drink what and as much as you want, but don’t come running to me that you’ve got cyrhosis (sp?) of the liver.
“I do not want all that government control in my life”
Clearly you would rather have an insurance company bureaucrat (who’s motive is to maximize profits) controlling your life. That, of course, is if you can get health insurance to begin with.
“and these are just a very few examples of what is in the bill.”
Um, you just cited several things that very specifically are NOT “in the bill”.
“It is not health care reform – it is government control.”
The government offering people (mostly the currently UN-insured) health care options and then paying for them is hardly “control”.
Get better arguments – or better yet, come up with some alternatives instead of just saying “NO!” – and stop lying.

“And may I mention the pages that specify that illegal aliens shall be covered”
Of course you may. But then, you’d be reminded that that already happens.

Blue collar Todd,
“claim to be telling truth about it not covering abortion is beyond his control and for one, it outright lie based on what we know about it right now. President Obama has stated to Planned Parenthood that he would not yield on the issue of abortion. Abortion has become synonymous with “reproductive health” with Liberals and I will be shocked if they do not cover abortion as part of Obamacare.”
Hmm, it starts out as “an outright lie” and then devolves into “[you] will be shocked IF they do not cover abortion”. Which is it? Is it covered or isn’t it? Based, of course, on “what [you] ‘know’ about it right now” (which doesn’t appear to be much).

Yet again liberal debate descends to “agree with me or you are guilty of lies.” Its the age old liberal way. Sad really.

Frank J Goddard, LOL maybe if you would quit saying lies you wouldn’t hear it. That’s fine you think everyone who wants to live is just trying be lazy slobs who don’t want to “work hard” and desires everyone else to pay their bills. That in itself is the biggest lie your kind falls for. You have no right to police and fire protection either. I would love it to go back to the time that if you couldn’t pay the firemen to rescue your house from a fire they just let it burn. You don’t have a right to anything really. Stupid bourgeoisie. Delusions are hard to shake off. Good luck with yours.

Interesting that I debunked several lies, point by lying point and all we get back is that it’s the good old liberal way.
Care to actually refute anything I typed, or are you just here to smear (the good old conservative way)?