Muslims call for peace with Christians?
According to more than 130 Muslims scholars the basis for peace between Muslims and Christians is for Christians to renounce the Trinity: Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world's population. Without peace and justice between...
First, let me introduce myself. My name is Seth and I am a current seminarian who, to be fair, has left leaning tendencies. I ran across you post while looking for responses to "A Common Word."I think you have misunderstood this document. This is a call for dialogue, which is very important not only for peace but for Christianity to remain relevant in the world. Dialogue asks the parties to come together and talk. Not to water down a tradition, but to find common ground from which a a peaceful coexistance can occur. While it is true that Muslims reject the divinity of Jesus this letter should not be read as a call for Christians to give up this core doctrine. In fact, as Christians we would have to agree with statement that God is one since it is at the heart of the doctrine of the Trinity. Nowhere in this document does it say we have to reject Christ to be at peace. I know very few Christians that would jump on board with such a document and the writers most certainly would not have expected to have been taken seriously by as many Christian leaders as this document was sent to.In no way are the Muslims endorsing this letter calling for all the Christians in the world to convert. That would be rediculous. This is a call for mutual understanding, which, I think, is a large part of the fear that both sides of the table are feeling.Well, I have gone on long enough. Thank you for reading.Peace of Christ,Seth.
Seth, I would suggest that you reread the document because when they say that God is one and when they say "we shall ascribe no partner unto Him" they are clearly rejecting Christ and inviting us to do the same. They desire for us to find common ground with them over the fact that God is one but God is one means something different to each of us.I actually didn't take this document as a threat even though they say somethings that can be taken that way (others think it's a submit or die document). I actually think they think we can find commonality in the "God is one" and the commandment to love God with all your heart, mind and strength but we can't and this post was explaining why. To do so would be to reject Christ. Shema means one to them and to us it means unity in the Trinity. Even that "common word" can't unify Muslims, Jews and Christians because it means different things to each of us. Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God because Jesus is God and the Muslims refuse to worship him.
"According to more than 130 Muslims scholars the basis for peace between Muslims and Christians is for Christians to renounce the Trinity:"You have illustrated that you are capable of spinning and taking things out of context for your own agenda, but you haven't proven your point!People can choose to understand or view things in infinite ways/perpectives so why don't you understand the letter the way that it was intended to be understood by the writers!As aaron said, such dialoge was intended "Not to water down a tradition, but to find common ground from which a a peaceful coexistance can occur." No where does it ask you to renounce your beliefs, you chose to spin it that way!Salaam (that means peace, so chill!)
No where does it ask you to renounce your beliefs, you chose to spin it that way!A good discussion on "spin" and "taking things out of context" is given here:A Common Word Between Us and You is a Call for ConversionIn the article, it notes that the letter's citing of the passage:Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (Aal ‘Imran 3:64) sounds wonderful, but when shown in context of the entire passage:3:65: Ye, People of the Book! Why dispute ye about Abraham, when the Law and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have ye no understanding?3:66: Ah! Yes are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which ye had some knowledge! But why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah who knows and ye who know not!3:67: Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian, but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (which is Islam) and he joined not gods with Allah.3:68: Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham are those who follow him, as are also this Apostle and those who believe: And Allah is the Protector of those who have Faith.3:69: It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (not you), but themselves, and they do not perceive.3:70: Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?3:71: Ye People of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth while ye have knowledge?the verse is anything but a call for understanding and common ground. Michelle nailed this one (as have others.)
I think you understand perfectly what it means. Islam respects power. So why not speak to the ignorant to try dividing nations on those whom seek peace at all costs. Clever ploy really and this does test the waters for them.. Suras 2-9 keep them quite safe for keeping promises with those not of Islam.
t shouldn't be outlandish to thin that there is a group of Muslims that wants to start a dialogue. Again, with dialogue one must not water down his or her faith. Muslims don't believe Christ was divine. But, the point of this document was not to call for us to reject Christ, but a call to come together in love. The dialogue portion is where they don't compromise their beliefs.Yes, the Qur'an does reject Christ's divinity. This is no surprise. Muslims will never accept Christ. What must happen is people of different faiths have to get together, discuss their differences and find a way to reconcile them so we can find peace. As long as we are suspicious of all Muslim attempts to find a peaceful outcome there will be suspicion on the Muslim side.I think, and read this document as, Muslims are trying to start a dialogue. This is a start to finding reconciliation. And yes, there can be reconciliation netween Christians and Muslims without conversion on either side.-Seth
It shouldn't be outlandish to thin that there is a group of Muslims that wants to start a dialogue.I agree. It should not be that outlandish to want to start a dialogue.But, the point of this document was not to call for us to reject Christ, but a call to come together in love. You were doing so well up until this point. One of the most important basis of love is truth. We can argue all you want about the validity of different faith's beliefs and the veracity behind those beliefs. Yet the fact of the matter is that the letter presents the idea of "see? We agree on things like the nature of God!" as a "common ground" when in fact, the nature of God is one of the very things that divides and separates the two faiths. To present the idea that Christians and Muslims believe in the same God is not truthful. To try and establish a dialogue based on a lie is not productive, and certainly not done in "love."
True a dialog would be a good start BUT a dialog from the very beginning dishonestly present what is in the Quran. Conversion, funny you mention that. In most of the countries with Sheria Law in place as the model of government Conversion to Christianity is punished by death. The battle unfortunately is not about faith but in the arena of ideas. I find it wrong to kill innocents because they are easier targets and make them look really mean. 130 Muslim scholars don't speak out and condemn suicide bombers. They don't speak out against what Iran is doing to the region in promoting death in the NAME of ISLAM. Why all of a sudden do they want peace? Why is it that we (America)are identified as Christians? The conflict was defined (for them, by them) as that between Islam and Christians way before this war started by Asama Bin Ladin. Way before the current president was in office. Why not redefine this conflict as against the radicals of Islam against civilization? I mean really, defining us as the 'great Satan'? I guess they watch Jerry Springer too. Forgive me for being pessimistic about doubting the scholars whom seem to be consistent at telling us one thing but not really meaning it. The past tells us a lot about the future. When I see something like this is see as stated above - an opportunity for division. I would talk to them to see if they mean what they say but I wont expect anything, I don't see them being truthful.
130 Muslim scholars have defined this war as between Christians and Muslims, it is not. The war is about countries DEFENDING themselves against radical Islam whom have already declared war against us. Who is us you ask? Those not of Islam and not practicing Sheria Law.
"You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers." - Genesis 16:11-12Islam is the religion of the spiritual descendants of Ishmael. It is good to strive for peace, but you can't undo what God has decreed.
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