Slate has a deathwatch for Clinton, right now she's at a 12% chance to win the nomination: Hillary Clinton is as good as dead. This became the consensus over the past week, when the media awoke en masse to the...
And anyway, I doubt anyone can compete with Huckabee for hanging on long after all hope was gone. He was still running after there was statistically zero chance since McCain already had all the delegates he needed to sew up the nomination.
Charles Cosimano
March 28, 2008 1:33 PM
The problem here is that while Obama's background has been disected and microscopically scrutinized, relatively few people have stopped to consider Hillary's suburban Chicago upbringing. It was, and is, a particularly hard-skinned culture. Those who come out of it do not respond to criticism the way the critics want. They are more likely to do what the critics are against and ram it down their throats. And never try to pressure them, that will only cause these folks to circle the wagons and go to war.
Hillary is of a time and place that taught us, when we were young, to set our minds on a goal and crush anything that got in the way of achieving it. There is no nuance in this, no subtlety and no "niceness." No one has ever gotten into a battle with someone who has come out of that culture, be that battle political or cultural, that did not come away feeling that he had been run over by an armored division.
The best expression of it was made by the Cook County Election Commissioner, Seymour Simon, on the night of the 1980 Reagan landslide, when he said, "These are suburban votes and no one tells them what to do." Hillary is a product of that culture and no party leader is going to tell her what to do.
She is going to battle Obama until the Democrats are wrecked and then she will fight him in the ruins until the last vote at the convention is counted and maybe even after that.
Alicia
March 28, 2008 2:14 PM
I'm as close to being a die-hard Hillary supporter as you will find. But, I don't think she has a chance of winning the nomination any more.
Since there is virtually no possiblity that she will catch up on elected delegates or the popular vote, she would have to talk the superdelegates into giving the nomination to her. No way that's going to happen - it would split the Democratic party. In all liklihood, Obama supporters would go over to McCain.
I'll probably be voting for McCain this fall myself, though I'm encouraged at the rumors that Obama may name Michael Bloomberg as his running mate. If he did that, that would be real change of the kind that I can believe in. Obama-Bloomberg. I might be able to go for a Democratic ticket like that.
Charles Cosimano
March 28, 2008 2:44 PM
The Mayor of New York won't bring in a single midwestern or southern vote. The wisest choice for VP for Obama would be Richardson. He's a western governor who does not personally alienate anyone. And he may chip away at McCain's lock on Hispanics against Obama. The downside is that by emphasizing Hispanics, it may futher alienate the White Male vote.
It comes down to the electoral vote. Which red states in 2004 does Obama have a chance of winning and if McCain puts California in play with his appeal to Hispanics, are there enough of them to matter? Bloomberg brings nothing in that regard, in fact his presence would hurt the ticket.
Alicia
March 28, 2008 2:58 PM
I'm sure you are right about Bloomberg's potential to deliver votes, Mr. Cosimano. An Obama-Bloomberg ticket would appeal to me, personally, but I'm sure I'm in the minority as far as that is concerned. But it would be a very refreshing ticket, nonetheless.
pagansister
March 28, 2008 3:38 PM
Richardson, by supporting Obama, would really like to be asked to be VP on the ticket. Why do you think he came back to support him? Personally, I don't know if Bloomberg wants the VP job. Time will tell. Don't think anyone can say this have been a boring contest!
jane robinson
March 30, 2008 2:48 PM
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR AMERICA IF RICHARDSON WAS OUR UN AMBASSADOR. IF OBAMA CHOOSE HILLERY AS HIS RUNNING MATE IT WOULD BE LIKE MARRYING A BLACK WIDOW SPIDER. THIS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED SINCE SHE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT "AT ALL COST".
I THINK WE COULD USE AN EXPERIENCED VP WHO UNDERSTANDS INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AND HAS GOOD NEGOTIATING SKILLS AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL TRUST AND RESPECT. WE ARE STILL TOO RACIALLY DVIDED TO APPOINT RICHARDSON, RICE OR POWELL AS VP. OBAMA IS COMMITTED TO CHOOSING THE BEST FOR THE COUNTRY BUT SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE WHAT HE CAN GET.
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Don't count Hillary out yet....she is tough!
And anyway, I doubt anyone can compete with Huckabee for hanging on long after all hope was gone. He was still running after there was statistically zero chance since McCain already had all the delegates he needed to sew up the nomination.
The problem here is that while Obama's background has been disected and microscopically scrutinized, relatively few people have stopped to consider Hillary's suburban Chicago upbringing. It was, and is, a particularly hard-skinned culture. Those who come out of it do not respond to criticism the way the critics want. They are more likely to do what the critics are against and ram it down their throats. And never try to pressure them, that will only cause these folks to circle the wagons and go to war.
Hillary is of a time and place that taught us, when we were young, to set our minds on a goal and crush anything that got in the way of achieving it. There is no nuance in this, no subtlety and no "niceness." No one has ever gotten into a battle with someone who has come out of that culture, be that battle political or cultural, that did not come away feeling that he had been run over by an armored division.
The best expression of it was made by the Cook County Election Commissioner, Seymour Simon, on the night of the 1980 Reagan landslide, when he said, "These are suburban votes and no one tells them what to do." Hillary is a product of that culture and no party leader is going to tell her what to do.
She is going to battle Obama until the Democrats are wrecked and then she will fight him in the ruins until the last vote at the convention is counted and maybe even after that.
I'm as close to being a die-hard Hillary supporter as you will find. But, I don't think she has a chance of winning the nomination any more.
Since there is virtually no possiblity that she will catch up on elected delegates or the popular vote, she would have to talk the superdelegates into giving the nomination to her. No way that's going to happen - it would split the Democratic party. In all liklihood, Obama supporters would go over to McCain.
I'll probably be voting for McCain this fall myself, though I'm encouraged at the rumors that Obama may name Michael Bloomberg as his running mate. If he did that, that would be real change of the kind that I can believe in. Obama-Bloomberg. I might be able to go for a Democratic ticket like that.
The Mayor of New York won't bring in a single midwestern or southern vote. The wisest choice for VP for Obama would be Richardson. He's a western governor who does not personally alienate anyone. And he may chip away at McCain's lock on Hispanics against Obama. The downside is that by emphasizing Hispanics, it may futher alienate the White Male vote.
It comes down to the electoral vote. Which red states in 2004 does Obama have a chance of winning and if McCain puts California in play with his appeal to Hispanics, are there enough of them to matter? Bloomberg brings nothing in that regard, in fact his presence would hurt the ticket.
I'm sure you are right about Bloomberg's potential to deliver votes, Mr. Cosimano. An Obama-Bloomberg ticket would appeal to me, personally, but I'm sure I'm in the minority as far as that is concerned. But it would be a very refreshing ticket, nonetheless.
Richardson, by supporting Obama, would really like to be asked to be VP on the ticket. Why do you think he came back to support him? Personally, I don't know if Bloomberg wants the VP job. Time will tell. Don't think anyone can say this have been a boring contest!
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR AMERICA IF RICHARDSON WAS OUR UN AMBASSADOR. IF OBAMA CHOOSE HILLERY AS HIS RUNNING MATE IT WOULD BE LIKE MARRYING A BLACK WIDOW SPIDER. THIS SHOULD NOT EVEN BE CONSIDERED SINCE SHE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT "AT ALL COST".
I THINK WE COULD USE AN EXPERIENCED VP WHO UNDERSTANDS INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AND HAS GOOD NEGOTIATING SKILLS AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL TRUST AND RESPECT. WE ARE STILL TOO RACIALLY DVIDED TO APPOINT RICHARDSON, RICE OR POWELL AS VP. OBAMA IS COMMITTED TO CHOOSING THE BEST FOR THE COUNTRY BUT SMART ENOUGH TO TAKE WHAT HE CAN GET.
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