Since WHEN have the Rethuglicans been remotely interested in peace?
He's not know as George W(armonger) Bush for nothing.
To say naught about "bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb, bomb Iran"!
Brian Horan
May 12, 2008 1:32 PM
Alicia,
Your comment is not without merit.
But, I'm shocked to talk to Hillary supporters who sound like blatant racists. And I was extra shocked to hear an actual tape of her interview with USA Today inferring that she's the sole candidate for 'white folks... (pause) hard working white folks (which is even condescending to whites because it assumes they'd never consider a black candidate)."
Sorry for my tone, but that's how I feel.
Also, look at the polls of Hillary supporters vs. Obama supporters who say they're gonna sit it out or actually vote for McCain (McBush).
*I fully believe there's a glass ceiling and think we should've had a woman running things long long long ago. I just don't think Hillary's that lady.*
In fact, I'd take a trans-gendered albino at this point if it would mean honesty and an absence of statements like the one Hillary made: "We can obliterate Iran." How feminist is that?
I supported Obama because he was against the Iraq war from the beginning and because he's elect-able.
And I'm sucking it up because there's a lot about the Democratic party itself I can't stand like the Democratic Leadership Council (the Republican wing of the Democratic Party in which the Clintons are fully vested).
I campaigned for Nader in 2000 because I'm tired of moneyed interests ruling our politics (& no I still don't believe Nader cost Gore the election). I'm at a total loss to understand how Hillary is gonna change health care when she's taking more money than McCain from private health care interests (see the movie "Sicko").
Obama is not taking money from lobbyists and may actually revolutionize campaign fund-raising without the Supreme Court overturning Buckley vs. Valeo (post Watergate campaign finance law which means free speech = $$$).
No, I don't believe Obama's God. And no I don't think Hillary's the anti-Christ. I don't even think McCain's blatantly evil.
I'm just tired of good ol' boys selling our country out and popularity contests/personality cults.
Alicia
May 12, 2008 2:01 PM
Thanks for responding, Brian. Politically, I'm much more centrist than you, but I understand your frustration with the Democratic Party. I changed my registration to Republican four years ago even though I've voted Democrat in almost every election since I was old enough to vote. There's no third party for moderates and I feel like changing parties forced me to think more about my choices during each election.
That said, I have been a Hillary Clinton supporter. I think her recent comments about her working class white support were ill-chosen, to say the least, although I don't believe she is a racist, I do believe there was a lot of truth to the SNL parody.
I am leaning in McCain's direction, but I haven't ruled out voting for Obama. I have to admit I am certain Obama would have voted with Hillary Clinton to authorize the use of force in Iraq if he'd been in the Senate at the time of that vote, so I've never found his critcism of her on those grounds very persuasive.
What I'm tired of is the attitude that the presidency is some kind of entitlement. To the extent that Hillary Clinton regarded it as her due, I think that sense of entitlement damaged her campaign. Bush certainly regarded it as an entitlement, and there's no way someone of his limited abilities could have won it without his connections.
One thing I find refreshing about both Obama and McCain is that they haven't treated the Presidency in that way.
Thanks for listening.
Brian Horan
May 12, 2008 2:14 PM
Alicia,
Thanks for calling me out.
Hey we're all Americans.
Blessed be!
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Since WHEN have the Rethuglicans been remotely interested in peace?
He's not know as George W(armonger) Bush for nothing.
To say naught about "bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb, bomb Iran"!
Alicia,
Your comment is not without merit.
But, I'm shocked to talk to Hillary supporters who sound like blatant racists. And I was extra shocked to hear an actual tape of her interview with USA Today inferring that she's the sole candidate for 'white folks... (pause) hard working white folks (which is even condescending to whites because it assumes they'd never consider a black candidate)."
Sorry for my tone, but that's how I feel.
Also, look at the polls of Hillary supporters vs. Obama supporters who say they're gonna sit it out or actually vote for McCain (McBush).
*I fully believe there's a glass ceiling and think we should've had a woman running things long long long ago. I just don't think Hillary's that lady.*
In fact, I'd take a trans-gendered albino at this point if it would mean honesty and an absence of statements like the one Hillary made: "We can obliterate Iran." How feminist is that?
I supported Obama because he was against the Iraq war from the beginning and because he's elect-able.
And I'm sucking it up because there's a lot about the Democratic party itself I can't stand like the Democratic Leadership Council (the Republican wing of the Democratic Party in which the Clintons are fully vested).
I campaigned for Nader in 2000 because I'm tired of moneyed interests ruling our politics (& no I still don't believe Nader cost Gore the election). I'm at a total loss to understand how Hillary is gonna change health care when she's taking more money than McCain from private health care interests (see the movie "Sicko").
Obama is not taking money from lobbyists and may actually revolutionize campaign fund-raising without the Supreme Court overturning Buckley vs. Valeo (post Watergate campaign finance law which means free speech = $$$).
No, I don't believe Obama's God. And no I don't think Hillary's the anti-Christ. I don't even think McCain's blatantly evil.
I'm just tired of good ol' boys selling our country out and popularity contests/personality cults.
Thanks for responding, Brian. Politically, I'm much more centrist than you, but I understand your frustration with the Democratic Party. I changed my registration to Republican four years ago even though I've voted Democrat in almost every election since I was old enough to vote. There's no third party for moderates and I feel like changing parties forced me to think more about my choices during each election.
That said, I have been a Hillary Clinton supporter. I think her recent comments about her working class white support were ill-chosen, to say the least, although I don't believe she is a racist, I do believe there was a lot of truth to the SNL parody.
I am leaning in McCain's direction, but I haven't ruled out voting for Obama. I have to admit I am certain Obama would have voted with Hillary Clinton to authorize the use of force in Iraq if he'd been in the Senate at the time of that vote, so I've never found his critcism of her on those grounds very persuasive.
What I'm tired of is the attitude that the presidency is some kind of entitlement. To the extent that Hillary Clinton regarded it as her due, I think that sense of entitlement damaged her campaign. Bush certainly regarded it as an entitlement, and there's no way someone of his limited abilities could have won it without his connections.
One thing I find refreshing about both Obama and McCain is that they haven't treated the Presidency in that way.
Thanks for listening.
Alicia,
Thanks for calling me out.
Hey we're all Americans.
Blessed be!
Blessings to you, too, Brian.
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