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12-year-old vegan has the spine of an 80-year-old

posted by Susan Johnson | 6:32am Thursday June 12, 2008

If you’re going to put your children on your diet (whatever it is), you really have to ensure that they are getting the right nutrients otherwise you are just abusing them. It is the responsibility of the parent to realize that their diet lacks calcium and they should have figured out ways to replace it:

A girl of 12 brought up by her parents on a strict vegan diet has bee en admitted to hospital with a degenerative bone condition said to have left her with the spine of an 80-year-old.
Doctors are under pressure to report the couple, from Glasgow, to police and social workers amid concerns her health and welfare may have been neglected in pursuit of their beliefs.
The youngster, fed on a strict meat- and dairy-free diet from birth, is being treated at the city’s Royal Hospital for Sick Children. She is said to have a severe form of rickets and to have suffered a number of fractured bones. The condition is caused by a lack of vitamin D, which is needed to absorb calcium and is found in liver, oily fish and dairy produce.

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Rob

posted June 12, 2008 at 9:31 am


But don’t you recall the Biblical history of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? The King’s men ate meat and drank wine while these three chosen by God ate vegetables, and after ten days, who was stronger? From a Reformed perspective, even though I really enjoy your column, I have to say you seem perilously close to contradicting Scripture by reporting the “facts” here.



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John Meche

posted June 12, 2008 at 9:45 am


Rob I think the Biblical point isn’t to eat in accordance with your beliefs but to eat in accordance with God’s commands.



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Karen Brown

posted June 12, 2008 at 9:47 am


Well, there IS another source for Vitamin D, you know. Sunlight.
And there’s 250K vegans in the UK. If the problem was with the vegan diet, then all their kids were suffering various forms of bone problems. Because the lack of animal sources for various vitamins would be identical for all of them, even if the specifics of the diet varied, and that is the part that makes it ‘vegan’.
I’m an omnivore, myself, same as most, and I can say that I’ve also seen kids with various deficiencies whose parents practice that diet too. That has to do with either some problem with the parent, or their ignorance about dietary needs than a specifically ‘vegan’ diet, or all vegans would have that problem.
After all, we all need vitamin D, lack of Vitamin D has the same effect on everyone. If the only sources available are animal, and all vegans refrain from ALL food from animal sources, they should ALL have Vitamin D deficiency, with all the problems that entails.
Since there’s hundreds of thousands of them in the UK alone, and there have been, what did the article say? Oh yeah.. two cases, I’d say that the problem lies elsewhere.



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Brad

posted June 12, 2008 at 10:34 am


I didn’t get the impression that Michele was coming down on the vegan lifestyle – simply that you should make sure your kids are getting the nutrients they need. The same would go for parents who put their kids on the Adkins diet.
It is completely possible to live a healthy life on a vegan diet, but to get balanced nutrition from a limited menu takes a little work. Seems like these parents were doing it wrong.



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Michele McGinty

posted June 12, 2008 at 10:41 am


The point of my post wasn’t to knock vegans putting their kids on the diet but that if they do, they bear the responsibility for ensuring they have a well-balanced diet otherwise it’s child abuse.



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Michele McGinty

posted June 12, 2008 at 10:46 am


“But don’t you recall the Biblical history of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? The King’s men ate meat and drank wine while these three chosen by God ate vegetables, and after ten days, who was stronger? From a Reformed perspective, even though I really enjoy your column, I have to say you seem perilously close to contradicting Scripture by reporting the “facts” here.”
Rob, don’t try to do the Reformed perspective, you obviously don’t understand it.



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Vicky

posted June 12, 2008 at 11:13 am


As a vegan of only 2 weeks, I must make the comment that yes everyone’s diet should be varied, but veganism has nothing to do with ill-health. A lack of meat, dairy and egg can even be more beneficial to the body than eating it regularly as long as each person is sensible…but it goes without saying that if a person rejects medical advice they will get ill.
It’s not about being a meat-eater or being a vegan or vege, it’s about common sense.



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DC

posted June 12, 2008 at 1:28 pm


Rob, don’t try to do the Reformed perspective, you obviously don’t understand it.
Doesn’t that make this a teachable moment? I don’t understand why you are so rude to commenters and reflect so little humility about your own understanding. It gives a poor impression of your denomination. I thought you wanted to use this forum to help explain Reformed positions and gain a better understanding of others?
As for the merits of your post, I am sure we all agree that parents are responsible for making sure their children get all the nutrients they need and that this is possible on a vegan diet. But what are you recommending here? How should the parents be held accountable? Are you suggesting intervention by the government? Reporting requirements for the doctors or teachers? How would that work?



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Rob

posted June 12, 2008 at 1:45 pm


And, DC, eliciting the teaching was the point of my post. Thank you for recognizing this. I have nowhere claimed to be Reformed, but I welcome a Biblical, or at least consistent, spiritual commentary on this topic.
Would anyone be interested in my perspective as a chemist? Not an MD, RD, or health practitioner, just as someone who works out some of the mechanics of formulating pharmaceuticals for a living? I have co-authored with some well known MDs and RDs and have published on osteoporosis medications.
For people who eat meat and dairy, the problems are typically (1) the gut can only absorb about 1/3 to 1/2 of the daily needs of calcium from any one meal and (2) the hormones that activate the transportation of calcium into bones depend on vitamin K. Don’t eat your green veggies at least once or twice a week (and preferably with some kind of oil, since vitamin K is fat-soluble), and you tend to have problems with bone mass as you get older. Calcium isn’t enough, phosphate isn’t a problem if you eat meat, vitamin K and vitamin D are the limiting reagents, if you’ll forgive my expressing the process from my own professional perspective.
For children not given meat and dairy, bone health is, again, possible, because it is possible to get calcium from plant sources. Here the problem typically is phytate in other plant foods blocking the absorption of the calcium. Anything especially fibrous or rich in tannins interferes with mineral elements, but vitamins, other than D, usually aren’t the problem.
I commend anyone who pursues a vegan diet on moral principle, Biblical or otherwise. It just requires a lot more planning to make sure kids get nutrients. I have on a couple of occasions, by the way, consulted to doctors on formulating supplements for kids with kwashiokor and rickets–in Atlanta.
Now, I’ll leave to those who tell me I just don’t understand to translate this into spiritual terms.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted June 12, 2008 at 10:26 pm


mccain is pushing 80. he has the spine of a 12 year old vegan.



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