Clark on McCain: "He hasn't held executive responsibility"
Note to the Obama campaign: when your surrogates point out the deficiencies of your opponent, they might not want to use examples in which you are even weaker! (via) Clark's first clue should have been Schieffer's incredulity over the remark....
Michele,
You should check Sen. McCain's record. He does lack real military command experience. Commanding a flight element is not the same thing as commanding a wing or several wings. He has combat experience. Being a war hero deserves our respect, but not to the point to give him free passes on his experience record. Now if he were a Captain of a ship then maybe or better an Admiral, but he was just a pilot.
Heck, this guy campaigned for Hillary. And Hillary campaigned like a Republican.
Well God fearing Republicans, it's like Jesus said, "If you live by the sword, you die by it."
I don't like it, but a lot of Dems wanna use Republican strategies against, well, Repubs.
Part of the problem, Michele, is that McCain is using his military service as part of his qualifications to run this nation. The Republicans told us in 2004 that heroism, military service, and sacrifice meant nothing when it came to running for President. Remember the Swiftboating of Kerry's military service, Michele? And the earlier attacks against Max Cleland?
For those supporters of the McCain campaign who criticize Clark's statements...you'd best have clean hands when it comes to Kerry and Cleland.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bS627KVMCU
Strange how a group of men, none of whom served with John Kerry directly, can have such knowledge of him. And this was given credibility back in 2004 by many of the same Republicans who are now criticizing Clark's statements.
www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/mccain-to-hold-fundraiser_b_53684.html
Funny how the chickens always come home to roost.
Military service, in and of itself is not a qualification for the Presidency, otherwise we would have to disqualify Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt and a whole bunch of others.
In some cases it may be a good argument against holding the office, as being shot at is not a sign of being intelligent nor of living a paricularly healthy lifestyle. In fact, all other factors being equal, I would be inclined to vote against the veteran for that reason.
This election, is of course, somewhat different.
hmmmmm. i don't recall obama using military service as a campaign prop. that would be mccain.
i made the same exact point on this blog in the past that general clark is making now. getting shot down by the enemy and spending years as their prisoner doesn't qualify a person to be president. admiration for his bravery (even though he broke under pressure) and service aside, he's got nothing.
"Clark's remarks were so ridiculous..."
prove it. clark's remarks are brutally honest, but not at all ridiculous. a general would know... mccain doesn't.
Granted that McCain has some military background. Point for him.
Obama has some community organization in his background. Point for him.
McCain was not a community organizer and Obama was not in the military.
The score here is even.
They are two different people with not only differeing backgrounds, but siome difference in perspective. I do think that Obama was taking the higher road by saying Clark's remarks were out of line. So far, the candidates have been behaving better than their supporters.
Well, I guess we never should have elected that man from Illinois with one Senate term and a couple in the Illinois senate. But we would have been turning down one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. Lincoln.
So what leadership experience does McCain have? Clark told the truth, and unlike the Swift Boaters , stuck to facts.
i agree with rg, here. general clark did not denigrate mccain's service, nor did he question mccain's patriotism (as the right has constantly done to obama). what he did was to state that mccain being shot down and captured by the enemy does not give him a free ride to the oval office.
btw, anyone else catch schieffer's flub, where apparently "barack obama is more ready than barack obama...?" the man needs his afternoon nap.
<sarcasm>(oh, and i forgot to mention how unevenly schieffer attacked the republican candidate. darn that liberal media!)</sarcasm>
Evidently, Clark's remarks were bad enough that Obama rejected them.
He said, to be precise, that nobody should devalue service, and that we should express gratitude to service men and women for their service. Full stop.
Which is more than can be said about the Republican party and the military service of Democrats.
Now the question is.. do YOU think it is accurate, and are you willing to apply that same standard to all people who were in the military and run for office?
Did you object to the Swiftboaters (not one of which actually served anywhere where Kerry did. But if you're going to take their word because they're in the military too, you have to do the same for Clark), the purple heart bandaids, the treatment of other veterans in Congress? (A few come to mind..)
Secondly, does ANY military service qualify one for the executive branch? To be frank (and my family runs toward career military folks), a pilot is NOT a commander. Being IN the military, successfully, can involve having some character traits, but that runs more to following orders, unless one is put in the position of GIVING them.
And a civilian post is not the same. I can tell you, running any civilian position like a military one is not always a good strategy. We separate out our civilian leadership from our military for good reason.
So, no. Military service is not sacrosanct, as was proven the last election. All claims by anyone who was ever IN the military, even about the military, are not to be taken as scripture without research. And not everyone in the military comes out with the automatic ability to 'lead men'.
"being shot at is not a sign of being intelligent nor of living a paricularly healthy lifestyle"
That is patently offensive. Do you think they LIKE getting shot at? A military force is a regrettable necessity and we should be glad that somebody is willing to do it.
Also, do you have any IDEA of the level of training and intelligence that's required to fly a fighter in combat??? I'm not saying it qualifies one for executive duties, but to imply that any dummy can do is is just stupid. Your ignorance on this topic is flabbergasting.
What I want to know is why its ok for McCain to exaggerate on his resume about his experience, but its not ok for Kerry?
Does he want to loose?
the problem is that he doesn't have to exaggerate. there's this hero worship in this country where a large majority of people romanticize those who fought in battle and underwent the horrors of torture and lived to tell about it. it doesn't mean that mccain was an exceptional warrior (he wasn't) nor that he is any kind of great leader.
realistically i don't expect those people to think about it critically, which is why it is important for a decorated army general, valedictorian of west point, graduate of oxford, with 34 years of military experience to say it out loud.
"Evidently, Clark's remarks were bad enough that Obama rejected them."
hm. so obama wants to play nice. good for him. although what i heard was obama (just as clark himself did) praise mccain for his service, and clark even said that mccain was a kind of hero to him. i didn't hear anyone - including righties - dispute the facts that clark pointed out. instead they want to make mccain the victim for the pity vote.
this was a very smart move for general clark. the only issue where mccain has a chance to win is on his military record. the fact that that record isn't enough is an important one. but opening this issue up for people to see, he has pulled the rug out from under mccain's campaign. expect the swift-boating of clark to begin, led by col. bud day, who's part of mccain's "truth" squad. so much for truth.
general clark is not backing down:
John McCain is running his campaign on his experience and how his experience would benefit him and our nation as President. That experience shows courage and commitment to our country - but it doesn't include executive experience wrestling with national policy or go-to-war decisions. And in this area his judgment has been flawed - he not only supported going into a war we didn't have to fight in Iraq, but has time and again undervalued other, non-military elements of national power that must be used effectively to protect America. But as an American and former military officer I will not back down if I believe someone doesn't have sound judgment when it comes to our nation's most critical issues."
"General" Wesley Clark even went so far as to point out that John McCain made a propaganda film for the North Vietnamese, in the same defamatory style as can be found in Wikipedia and similar heathen sources. But John McCain is God's elect and even should McCain choose Osama bin Laden as Vice President it is the duty of all who fear God to vote from Him, even though these voters be chosen by God for a sinners' Hell.
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