Reformed Chicks Blabbing

Oil excreting bugs

Tuesday June 17, 2008

Categories: Politics, Science, Technology
This is what I love about America, the environmentalists and their willing accomplices in Congress put roadblocks in our way to drilling for gas oil and someone figures out a workaround:"Ten years ago I could never have imagined I'd be...
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Karen Brown
June 17, 2008 10:51 AM

Umm.. are you saying that the Democrats in congress are against finding alternative fuel sources? (Including those bugs, if it works out)?

And are you admitting that there IS urgency and there's not this secret huge ocean of oil that'll fill all our needs for the foreseeable future under our own soil?

Alternative sources is exactly what is being looked into. You showed resistance to offshore drilling, but are talking about research into oil excreting bugs, as if one is equivalent to the other, and that somehow not allowing the first means they didn't allow the second.

Do you have a single piece of legislation out there that shows Democrats in Congress have attempted to stop this research?

If not, there is no 'getting around' that needed to be done, and that would be a false statement regarding that research.

Rob
June 17, 2008 11:29 AM

Although Michelle is dead wrong with her analysis, if one can dignify her writing with that word, there are reasons to seek to limit the genetic engineering of bacteria to create oil, creating a bacterium that destroys oil being one of them. That being said, Michelle, who the heck told you Democrats were against this kind of bio-oil? Is this just something you decided you'd rant on this morning? Is there no editor at Beliefnet?

Unsympathetic reader
June 17, 2008 11:35 AM

The "bugs" in this case are microbes. Numerous fermentation and photosynthetic generation techniques have been investigated at various times over the past century (and earlier) for fuel and chemical feedstock production.

I probably wouldn't have started with yeasts and E. coli. There are other microbes better suited for industrial production environments. Maybe these species were chosen because the genetic manipulation is easier.

Carlos
June 17, 2008 11:35 AM

Michelle, a suggestion for a better name for your blog: Reformed Chick Lying, and let the other two blab.

RG
June 17, 2008 12:38 PM

Sorry, China is not drilling off our shores, or Cuba's, for that matter. This was debunked several days ago., on the floor of Congress, by a Republican. Among others.
Yet another example, as if more were needed , of the right wing crazymakers lying to the public. They know their audience will believe anything.
We have, in the USA, 2% of the world's oil reserves, and use 25% of the oil. You are not going to drill your way out of this , try as you may. And the oil companies are already sitting on a lot of domestic reserves that they are not drilling. Why should they- there's plenty of time. And they haven't built new refineries because they don't need to. Their own internal memos show this. Why should they build more refineries, increase supply, and drive down their own price? They have us right where they want us.

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 12:58 PM

"Reformed Chick Lying"

Oh and what would that be? Anything you don't agree with?

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 1:01 PM

"Democrats were against this kind of bio-oil"

Rob, my suggestion to you is that you actually read my posts, not just criticize them. If you had, you would have seen I never said that. I said that the Democrats and the environmentalists are standing in our way of drilling for oil.

jestrfyl
June 17, 2008 1:05 PM

This sounds like the beginning of a bad sci fi movie. Soon there will be an oil slick covering every surface because the microbes/bugs have escaped their confines and entered a world with no or limited natural predators.

It is FAR better to research new ways to use energy than simply replacing the addiction for energy we already have. By operating from the assumption that oil is our only choice we have limited our selections to oil based machinery. That is probably a very short sighted view.

Anyway, we already have one oily bug - Cheney, the Bush parasite.

Karen Brown
June 17, 2008 1:07 PM

You said, and I quote 'researching ways to get around the Democrats'.

The only way, and reason, to 'get around' someone is if they are standing in the way. And since it was the 'research' that did so, what does that have to do with, at all, off-shore drilling?

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 1:14 PM

"Umm.. are you saying that the Democrats in congress are against finding alternative fuel sources? (Including those bugs, if it works out)?"

Em...where did I say that?

"And are you admitting that there IS urgency and there's not this secret huge ocean of oil that'll fill all our needs for the foreseeable future under our own soil?"

No, of course not! There are billions of gallons of oil in the Pacific, Atlantic and Gulf coasts. But Congress won't let us drill for it, that's why I'm happy there's a workaround. That's the point of my post. Go read it again, I think you might get it now.

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 1:16 PM

BECAUSE THEY PUT UP ROADBLOCKS TO DRILLING!!!!!! I didn't say because they put up roadblocks to research! See:

"their willing accomplices in Congress put roadblocks in our way to drilling for gas"

Karen Brown
June 17, 2008 1:19 PM

Then this isn't a 'getting around'. This is an entirely new path. Getting around an obstacle to get somewhere gets you where you intended to go. In this case, supposedly, drilling offshore.

The research didn't accomplish that. Instead, it found a whole new way altogether. A way, I will note, that might never have even been tried if they'd been drilling and felt that the whole 2 years of oil they'd get from that area was going to solve the problem.

Looney
June 17, 2008 2:18 PM

Certainly the Democrats are the most diligent in making our energy mess worse, but the Republicans haven't been helpful either.

The main problem is that the Big Government mentality mixes with the University elitists to emphasize picking and subsidizing technologies. The result of this is that we are buying up corn tortillas before they make it to the tables of Mexican peasants to fuel our SUVs. Meanwhile, some are arguing (plausibly) that it takes more than 1 gallon of foreign crude oil to get one gallon of corn ethanol into a car. Brilliant. On the solar front, we burn 1.5 tons of Australian coal in China to smelt silicon and produce a solar panel that will save 1 ton of coal in the US over a 30 year period - thereby stopping global warming!

If we want to stop burning fossil fuels, the thing to do is to slap a consumption tax on oil and get the government completely out of the technology picking game. Leave it to entrepreneurs and private investors.

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 2:38 PM

"On the solar front, we burn 1.5 tons of Australian coal in China to smelt silicon and produce a solar panel that will save 1 ton of coal in the US over a 30 year period - thereby stopping global warming!"

Not to mention the toxins being dumped in Chinese villages because they don't have the technology to deal with it, thus lowering their costs and making their solar panels cheaper.

Robert Morwell
June 17, 2008 2:39 PM

The Dept. of Energy has developed the technology to refine oil from algae...yeah, pond scum.

The technology is fully developed and at today's fuel prices, it is financially viable. Since the algae is constantly reporducing, it is an essentiall inexhaustible source. And while it is producing petroleum, it is taking carnon out of the atmosphere and replacing it with oxygen. It is a green fuel source. It even produces an edible and nutritious byproduct. (Okay, if you don't want to eat, give it to the livestock.)

The scientist in charge of the project has said that greenhouses covering an area 10% the size of New Mexico (which wold be a good site for them) would produce enough oil to meet the transportation needs of the US.

Domestically produced oil that is clean and inexhaustible.

If that seems like an impractically large building project, I would suggest you look at the effort that goes into building those massive deepwater, offshore rigs which you are so eager to build.

All this requires is the will and the vision to think in a new way. In spiritual circles, we call that repentance.

Michele McGinty
June 17, 2008 3:58 PM

"which you are so eager to build."

Me and 65% of Americans.

"All this requires is the will and the vision to think in a new way"

Which is what we're hoping for, right?

anonymous reincarnate
June 17, 2008 7:48 PM


mccain:

* voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in anwr (A2358 to S1932) with 3 other republicans
* voted YES on banning drilling in the anwr (S AMDT 168 to S.Con.Res. 18) with 3 other republicans
* voted YES on removing consideration of drilling anwr from budget bill (S.Con.Res. 23) with 4 other republicans
* voted NO on drilling anwr on national security grounds (S.517) with 5 other republicans

mccain is a republican, not a democrat. and apparently bush doesn't think this is that important, like domestic spying and torturing muslims from foreign countries, because he broke the law for those.

stupid people keep looking for the same bad solution to an old problem. drilling for oil in anwr and offshore will take years to produce results while new and clean technologies are already here to reduce or eliminate our oil addiction. honda is rolling out its hydrogen fuel cell car next month.

"...even though China is drilling off our shores..."
do you believe everything that darth cheney says? hahahahahahaha! suckered.

Austin
June 18, 2008 12:53 PM

Thanks for the rundown, anonymous reincarnate. I may just have to vote for McCain!

Karen Brown
June 18, 2008 1:18 PM

Except he's recently in mid flip-flop on the issue. During Bush's latest push to drill, McCain (biiiiig surprise here) is moving himself into lockstep.

"On Monday, McCain made lifting the federal ban on offshore oil and gas development a key part of his energy plan. McCain said states should be allowed to pursue energy exploration in waters near their coasts and get some of the royalty revenue.

Obama retorted that the Arizona senator had flip-flopped on that issue."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25241280/page/2/

Michele McGinty
June 18, 2008 1:39 PM

"stupid people keep looking for the same bad solution to an old problem. drilling for oil in anwr and offshore will take years to produce results while new and clean technologies are already here to reduce or eliminate our oil addiction."

And we would have it now if it weren't for the Democrats.

And I agree with you on stupid people, maybe that's why McCain changed his position now that oil is $140 a barrel.

Karen Brown
June 18, 2008 1:44 PM

You think that ANWR and CS drilling will 'eliminate our oil addiction'?

Or are you claiming, as you stated you were NOT, that Democrats were standing in the way of new, clean alternative energy research?

Because only one or the other is the only way anything would be 'if it weren't for the Democrats'.

So, which is it you are claiming the Democrats were doing? That standing in the way of drilling ANWR is going to 'reduce or eliminate our oil addiction'? Or that Democrats were somehow preventing the oil eating bug research?

Karen Brown
June 18, 2008 1:46 PM

Because, if it is the former, btw, they have stated that drilling ANWR/CS WILL reduce oil prices. (Wow, what an admission, hmm?)

By a total of 75 cents... a BARREL.

Michele McGinty
June 18, 2008 1:47 PM

"Obama retorted that the Arizona senator had flip-flopped on that issue.""

Obama mistakes leadership (realizing that the price of oil is so high that something has to be done), with flip-flopping.

Obama demonstrates the same lack of compassion that the commenters on this blog do. Yeah, you people really care about the poor, don't you? You must all ride bicycles or can take the transit because I can't see anyone who would be stupid enough to support paying this much when there is a way out.

Karen Brown
June 18, 2008 2:05 PM

So, the whole 'changing your mind is flip-flopping, and bad' is another 'not a universal rule'?

Did you read the total amount that it would reduce prices at the pump?

Negligible. Note, at over 4 bucks, even 75 cents a gallon wouldn't be that much of a decrease. But it isn't.

That's 75 cents a BARREL. So, the price per gallon change may not even be measurable.

Taking that time, and that effort that 10 years of building pipelines and derricks would require and using it for something more long term would be the best thing that anyone could do for everyone. Rich and poor alike.

One thing we, at the shelter, (cause that's what all people who don't really care about the poor do, you know. Work full time at homeless shelters) try and teach is to avoid short term gains that result in long term losses. That making that 7 bucks an hour managing at the local fast food restaurant vs. making no money while attending school seems like an obvious choice, but that putting in the time and effort to get that diploma will gain them so much more.

I thought that was supposed to be the party of maturity, discipline and responsibility. That is what it takes to resist taking the quick fix over something for the long haul.

Unsympathetic reader
June 18, 2008 7:37 PM

Actually, rising prices might argue for not tapping ANWR at this point. Right now its effect would be negligible. Those reserves are a commodity that will only increase in value and strategic importance over time. Perhaps holding back would be a better option than pissing it all away for limited, short-term benefit. The Machiavellian in me says "exhaust the easy oil in other countries first".

anonymous reincarnate
June 18, 2008 8:27 PM

"And I agree with you on stupid people, maybe that's why McCain changed his position now that oil is $140 a barrel."

i'm glad that you agree that drilling for more oil as a solution to reduce gas prices is an idea held by stupid people.

and apparently that now includes mccain. he's a "quick-fix" simpleton who's too dumb to admit the facts that karen and i have stated time and time again... the experts are saying this, not political hacks like mccain. but he doesn't hear them. he's saying what republicans want him to say.

remember the old-style republicans who understood that competition was another factor that kept prices down? why is it that republicans keep shooting down aid to develop alternate, renewable fuels that would take our oil money away from terrorists? why do they insist on burning fossil fuels? because they don't believe that mankind is damaging the planet with carbon emissions. mccain has constantly voted against alternate energies with a vast majority of other republicans.

republicans are a bunch of dinosaurs that need to meet the same fate as the ancient dinosaurs.

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