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16 Muslim converts to Christianity arrested in Iran

Thursday July 31, 2008

Categories: Christianity, Politics
Iran is looking to institute the death penalty again those who have converted to another religion in compliance with Muhammad's command to kill Muslims who discard their religion. The Christians were arrested at a baptism in a private home that...
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Guy Arthur Thomas
July 31, 2008 11:16 AM

And Obama wants to have direct, face to fact talks with these people? Unbelievable!

Rob
July 31, 2008 11:22 AM

Wouldn't it wonderful if our government (1) stood up for the 600,000 or so Christians still/once in Iraq and (2) also stood up for these 16 Christians in Iran? And stood up to Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which also execute converts?

Gareth
July 31, 2008 12:27 PM

So Bush has been dealing for 8 years with two countries that execute converts to Christianity from Islam!! It's not too late to impeach him!!

Moonshadow
July 31, 2008 1:10 PM

"The six women, eight men and two adolescents who were arrested were assisting in a conversion ceremony and baptism ..."

Presumably the sixteen themselves are also converts but the story reads as if it was their proselytism that got them in hot water. I mean, what happened to the three? Was the baptism interrupted such that their conversion by immersion was incomplete?

Fundamentalists in our government submit bills all the time that aren't taken seriously, much less passed. Let's hope their MPs do a better job representing the will of their people than ours do and shoot this bill down.

And, yeah, it would be nice if our government didn't execute Christian converts either, but we presume that a Christian would want justice served, to abide by the laws of the land, even if it means her life (e.g., Karla Faye Tucker).

Why expect less from Iranian Christians?

PhoenixOrion
July 31, 2008 2:44 PM

I agree it is totally unjust to persecute Muslims who convert to Christianity. But would you be decrying the persecution of Christians who convert to Islam (if such a was occurring)? Or Muslims who convert to Buddhism or atheism, for that matter?

Don L
July 31, 2008 7:31 PM

Among others, it was this situation that Jesus spoke of when he told us

They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.
And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me

Pray that God will give them the strength to endure all that is coming their way. They knew what would come if caught. Now they just need your prayers. They are living the life of an Apostle.

anonymous reincarnate
July 31, 2008 7:36 PM

"And Obama wants to have direct, face to fact talks with these people? Unbelievable!"

you're right. we should accept the conservative doctrine of isolating ourselves from these governments and just let them do what they will, turning a blind eye. or maybe we accept the neocon doctrine and annihilate the country, killing many innocent muslims and christians and jews in the process because of a few bad nuts. those are much more believable solutions.

pagansister
July 31, 2008 7:53 PM

And people in this country complain that we're going to hell in a handbasket? Folks, this country says that we as citizens can practice any religion we want or we can choose to not follow any religion. Some claim that this is a Christian country, which I disagree with, but there is fortunately no established religion in this country (even though some say that it was founded by Christians). Perhaps finding out what happens in other countries that do have established religions, as above, should make us in the USA realize how lucky we are. Folks here can become Muslim or Pagan or Jewish or even Christian without being arrested. I'd like to think that "praying" for the Iranian converts would do something but I'm not holding my breath.

MH
July 31, 2008 9:29 PM

pagansister, people who think the US is going to hell in a hand basket haven't traveled the world enough. So I agree with you, even with all the problems we have we still have it pretty good.

Also, I'm a big believer in freedom of conscience as a basic human right, so Iran's behavior is really awful.

Alicia
August 1, 2008 1:41 PM

The threats to murder apostates (which are often carried out in practice) only makes the Muslim religious leaders who make them look weak and desperate.

pagansister
August 1, 2008 10:29 PM

MH, totally agree, Iran's behavior is really awful.

Hunter
September 18, 2008 5:52 AM

First of all talking to countries you disagree with and may even end up warring with is not a bad thing. It is the wise and sane thing to do since war and sticking our heads in the sand hoping they go away are both respectively very horrific and unrealistic options.
As far as the moral and religious status of this country is concerned; the fact that the founding Fathers used Christian ideas and premises to construct this countries constitution does not make it a "Christian" country. It is in fact a secular country, but this still does not allow one to ignore the presence and contributions that Christian principals have provided to the foundation of this country's Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and its laws, and I might add all for the better.
Furthermore, it is obvious that with the decline of "Christian" values, that the U.S.A. has indeed become worse and not better. Theft, murder, rape, and all manner of violence and lasciviousness has continuously increased as morality defined by "Christianity" has decreased. This is not an opinion but a fact.
The fact that other countries are worse off than America does not in any way support the idea that we are better off than we think we are. IE. simply because one shipwrecked person is in the water being eaten by sharks and the other shipwrecked person hasn't been bitten yet doesn't mean that they are in a better position 'exactly'
Lastly, the U.S. does not and can not accept ALL religious beliefs. IE. Some religions believe that human sacrifice is the way to worship their God; We would not accept this and in fact we would say murder is wrong and anything that hurts another person is wrong, but what if the person sacrificed believes that it is great and an honor to die? Would we, could we, SHOULD WE accept this as freedom of religion? Your answer is probably a strong no!
There is alot more to consider here than anyone here has been willing to honestly think about and deal with in your remarks, but that seems to be the way it usually is on these post, but HEY! it's your right to say whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want right? The next thing you know you'll be saying it's OK to make racist threats, and call for the bombing of our government buildings. Why not it's all FREE speech right?

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