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Biden's spending the week preparing for his interview with Palin

Sunday September 28, 2008

Categories: Politics
Why in the world would Biden need so much time to prepare for a debate with a "bucket of fluff?" Following a rally in Detroit with Barack Obama Sunday afternoon, Joe Biden will return home to Wilmington, Delaware to prepare...
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MzEllen
September 28, 2008 4:16 PM

To be honest, I'll be more than a little irritated if Palin doesn't spend a substantial amount of time prepping also. It's what debaters do.

It's not so much about "winning" or "making the other lose", it's about telling the voting public what you stand for and why. It's about anticipating questions and knowing how to answer, while protecting your weak spots (and we ALL have them, no matter what your political stripe). It's about knowing your debate adversary's weak spots and exploiting them. Both Biden and Palin have strong points - and they both should be looking for ways around their opponents strong points. They both have weak points and they both should be spending time prepping on how to protect their weak points and how to exploit their opponent's.

My big questions last week was: When is McCain going to take time to prep for the debate? I don't blame Biden for doing exactly that.

And I'm a conservative so I'm not exactly a big Biden fan.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 4:25 PM

I heard he tried to hire Tiny Fey but she told him she could only portray a Sarah Palin that didn't exist.

Next Please!

Pepperoni
September 28, 2008 4:37 PM

Heh, are you serious? This blog is rather funny.
I mean, let's get a few things straight.
Palin is being trained politics 101 by the McCain campaign since day 1. They wont let her be interviewed by the media, they have no access. She has been interviewed by two, rather neutral, anchors who always delivered questions in a sobering fashion -- this limited any potential chance of gaining a probe, a certain one, into how good Sarah Palin is.
But the thing is, despite the leg room being offered, she still managed to fudge things up and people are seeing through this.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 4:38 PM

Sarah Palin is very comfortable in debates. She will excel in this format.

Michael
September 28, 2008 4:42 PM

i Sarah Palin is very comfortable in debates. She will excel in this format.

She's not in Anchorage any more. This is the big time. She's been perfectly awful in every non-scripted even since her nomination.

Scott R.
September 28, 2008 4:59 PM

Palin can't help but "trip up or look like an idiot" (Michele's words, not mine). She isn't up to the big leagues.

On another note, I have to believe that conservatives want someone with substance. She's everything the other side accuses Obama of. She's a celebrity and nothing more.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 4:59 PM

She has been interviewed by two, rather neutral

Posted by: Pepperoni | September 28, 2008 4:37 PM
_________________________________________________
Wrong, they are both admittedly LIBERALS, both demonstrated their antagonism toward Palin in their interviews. Palin did fine. She didn't claim FDR was President in 1929 or that there are 57 States. Her only fault was that she wasn't an encyclopedia of the history of John McCain's voting record, oh gee I'm concerned.

Next Please!

MzEllen
September 28, 2008 5:11 PM

Biden has his own areas that could trip him up. That's why they practice.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 5:17 PM

She will be in far more control than the interviews. In the interviews, two rampant liberal news anchors set the rules and held all the cards and were demonstratively antagonistic toward her.

The debate will provide her a platform where she will be able to engage a certain enemy. In the interviews she accepted their claims of neutrality and they sandbagged her.

In this context the moderator will be forced to play the role of just that, a moderator and the antagonist will be known, namely Joe Biden.

Palin will do quite well.

Michael
September 28, 2008 5:27 PM

Poor Sarah, always the victim.

Rob
September 28, 2008 5:30 PM

GAT: "She will be in far more control than the interviews. In the interviews, two rampant liberal news anchors set the rules and held all the cards and were demonstratively antagonistic toward her."

Indeed, by the end of the debate, which what I hope it is, not a 90-minute alternating interview, we'll all have a very good idea of her real mettle.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 5:35 PM

Well, having crushed most of her opponents I would say she is rarely a victim, however in the case of the RABID LIBERAL ANCHORS that sandbagged her, yes she was.

I realize to MARXISTS like you that isn't important, the integrity of news journalists and all but to the adults of the world, well we expect a bit more.

NEXT MARXIST LEFTY LIB PLEASE!!!!!!

MzEllen
September 28, 2008 5:54 PM

NEXT MARXIST LEFTY LIB PLEASE!!!!!!

Guy, if anybody has to be childish, please let it be them.

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 6:04 PM

The petty weaponry of labeling an opponent should be a mild annoyance at best. I am surprised you are persuaded by the propaganda of the LEFT in their claims of being offended by such. While we are political allies I will encourage you to not feel compelled to monitor my methods. In the mean time, we can refocus on the real antagonists to freedom and prosperity...THE LEFTY LIB MARXISTS!

Sincerely and admiration,

GAT

Next Please!

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 6:05 PM

The petty weaponry of labeling an opponent should be a mild annoyance at best. I am surprised you are persuaded by the propaganda of the LEFT in their claims of being offended by such. While we are political allies I will encourage you to not feel compelled to monitor my methods. In the mean time, we can refocus on the real antagonists to freedom and prosperity...THE LEFTY LIB MARXISTS!

Sincerely and with admiration,

GAT

Next Please!

meh
September 28, 2008 6:30 PM

GAT:

You're ridiculous. Face it - you're effing clown shoes.

NEXT STUNTED ADOLESCENT PLEASE

Guy Arthur Thomas
September 28, 2008 6:45 PM

GAT:

You're ridiculous. Face it - you're effing clown shoes.

NEXT STUNTED ADOLESCENT PLEASE

Posted by: meh | September 28, 2008 6:30 PM
_________________________________________________

Ah yes, the utterances of the inadequate LEFTY LIB MARXIST MIND.

Next Please!

Bon
September 28, 2008 10:44 PM

Aren't there some blog rules here that are being broken?

Charles Cosimano
September 28, 2008 10:51 PM

The reason Biden is taking so long to practice is because they have to figure out what flavor to coat his shoes so that when he sticks them in his mouth they will at least taste good.

meh
September 28, 2008 11:51 PM

Ah yes, the utterances of the inadequate LEFTY LIB MARXIST MIND.

Next Please!

You don't even know what half of those words mean.

Keep bleating though. It's cute.

RG
September 29, 2008 12:37 AM

Ah, yes, Palin has done so well in interviews. Ask Katie Couric.

Biden has to make sure he does well, no matter who he is debating. And after Palin's disastrous interviews to date, they will be prepping her for all she's worth. Hopefully, she will be able to speak in understandable sentences by next week.

There is a good side to this. It should silence people who believe that somebody who barely got out of college- after going to 5 different colleges- is a perfect equal to somebody who was top of his class at Harvard Law School.

Also, Biden has to practice not laughing when Palin says something stupid. That could take a lot of work.
Biden also has to not appear to be beating up on somebody who's so unready that Kathleen Parker and several other conservative columnists have called for her to step down for the good of the party.


anonymous reincarnate
September 29, 2008 12:49 AM

palin should bring home photos taken from her back yard, just to show people watching on tv just why being a neighbor to canada and russia is enough foreign policy experience.

tips for palin:

read cliffsnotes on the bush doctrine and other major foreign policies by your own neocon party so that you sound just a wee bit smarter than the below-average hockey mom who has taken one too many pucks to the head.

remember that mccain says that he is against pork (and pigs with lipstick), so don't forget to continue the lie about being against that bridge and whatever you do, don't mention that you kept the earmark funds to instead build a road to nowhere.

if asked anything about troopergate, simply say that you're cooperating and hopefully people won't notice what you're doing to kill the investigation behind the scenes.

don't mention your secessionist husband or your anti-jewish pastor (or that you were recently de-witched or that you think that the iraq war is god's will).

and if the questions get too hard, just play the sexist card or the liberal msm card or tell a pit bull joke - that's always a good distraction tactic.

on second though, just sit there and don't say anything at all. you'll do fine.

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 2:52 AM

All she needs is the truth.

Bridge to nowhere...you mean the one that Obama and Biden voted to remove from the list...AND voted to give Alaska the funding anyway? That bridge?

Troopergate...that trooper that tazed his stepson?

Secessionist husband...and? Have you been to Quebec lately? Or are you Democrats not into political freedom?

Speaking of secessionism...do you think there's any way that we can get Detroit to secede?

anti-jewish pastor

pfft...gee. A Christian pastor who prays that people convert to Christianity. Go figure.

(or that you were recently de-witched

Or that a man who performed a "de-witching" also prayed for Palin (no de-witching involved).

Sort of like a Roman Catholic priest performing an exorcism and you claiming that the next infant baptism he performed involved getting rid of a demon.

or that you think that the iraq war is god's will

What she prayed was that the task in Iraq be God's will.

I pray on a regular basis that I be doing the will of God. It doesn't mean that I believe that I AM doing the will of God, only that I pray that He keeps me on the right track.

A Christian praying that we be doing the will of God. Again...go figure.

Is this all you have to throw at her...Lies, innuendos and non-starters...

lucca
September 29, 2008 3:20 AM

You can't compare Obama to Sarah Palin. He's smart and she's a complete dimwit.

My 8 year old nephew could probably win a debate with Ms. Palin even after she's tutored all week by desperate McCain advisors.

What was McCain thinking? Apparently he wasn't


Karen Brown
September 29, 2008 3:32 AM

You do realize, MizEllen, that in 'troopergate', it wasn't the 'trooper who tazed his stepson' who was fired, right?

It was the Alaska Public Safety official who refused to fire the trooper, after the trooper had been dealt with according to the rules of his job. That trooper had been both reprimanded and suspended based on the investigations into the charges, some of which were upheld, and others that were dropped.

It was the Public Safety Official that lost his job, not the trooper.

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 8:08 AM

anti-jewish pastor

pfft...gee. A Christian pastor who prays that people convert to Christianity. Go figure.

You don't get it Ellen, do you? This kind of crap drives Jews away from these kinds of Xian candidates in drove. It offends us and it scares us.

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 9:18 AM

You don't get it Ellen, do you? This kind of crap drives Jews away from these kinds of Xian candidates in drove. It offends us and it scares us.

How do you feel about Islam? The last time I checked, Palin's church hasn't beheaded anybody or converted people by force. That's Obama's family tree.

I understand that Obama is not Muslim. One side of his family is. He lived in Muslim countries, he went to Muslim schools.

As a Jew, which are you more afraid of: Christians or Muslims?

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 9:42 AM

How do you feel about Islam? The last time I checked, Palin's church hasn't beheaded anybody or converted people by force. That's Obama's family tree.

I understand that Obama is not Muslim. One side of his family is. He lived in Muslim countries, he went to Muslim schools.

As a Jew, which are you more afraid of: Christians or Muslims?

I'm going to assume you've never read a history book here. I'm also goin to assume that you don't feel the slightest remorse for the prejudice you just wrote about Obama's family.

OF COURSE I'm more afraid of Xians. Xians - western Xians - have a 1,500 year jump on Muslims in persecuting Jews.

The Xian bible calls us children of the devil and commands that JC's blood be on our heads for all eternity - which Xians spent centuries carrying out the death sentence.

Muslims didn't put us in ghettos in Europe the ways Xians did.

Muslims didn't carry out the Crusades.

Muslims didn't blame us and massacre us for causing the Black Death.

Muslims didn't carry out the Pogroms.

And Muslims didn't carry out the Holocaust.

And how can you even IMAGINE that, after just 60 short years of Americans Xians playing nice for feeling badly for ignoring the Holocaust that we could possibly trust you in power? Be real. It will take centuries for real trust to be built. Between individuals is where it starts. But among groups? It's all for show. We don't trust the churches (any of them) and we don't trust Xian political organizations and parties.

Muslims terrorists can only kill us. But Xians can try to steal our souls before they do the same.

Moonshadow
September 29, 2008 10:10 AM

(or that you [Palin] were recently de-witched
Sort of like a Roman Catholic priest performing an exorcism

The first ritual is sexist while the second is applied without discrimination (i.e., universally).

However, the commenting lot here, MzEllen, lump both ceremonies together in the same bag, so it's not an analogy that scores any points with them. (And it misses with me because of the former's latent sexism).

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 10:36 AM

I'm going to assume you've never read a history book here. I'm also goin to assume that you don't feel the slightest remorse for the prejudice you just wrote about Obama's family.

Geert Wilders

Theo van Gogh

Bruce Bawer

The same prejudice you write about toward Christianity.

The Xian bible calls us children of the devil and commands that JC's blood be on our heads for all eternity - which Xians spent centuries carrying out the death sentence.

Interestingly (and I'm going to wax Reformed for a moment)...if I hold to TULIP, then I lean toward "limited atonement"...Christ only died for those He came to save. Since He only died for those He came to save, He did not die for those who do not believe...

thus, it is only believers who carry the blood of Christ on their hands. The Jewish religious establishment who wanted Christ dead were ordained from the beginning of time.

I believe that I am responsible for the death of Christ. I refuse to lay His blood on anybody's hands but my own.

Scripture calls Jews "the sons of Abraham". The Gospel went first to the Jews, and then to the Gentiles. In Scripture, Jews are held up as the "Chosen People".

Muslims didn't put us in ghettos in Europe the ways Xians did.

Qur'an 2:61 "Humiliation and wretchedness were stamped on the Jews and they were visited with Allah's wrath."

Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."

Qur'an 33:26 "Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before."

Ishaq:524 "We cannot accept the oaths of Jews. Their infidelity is so great they swear falsely."

Qur'an 2:59 "We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing."

Ishaq:254 "We will not remove a Jew from the punishment. The Jew knows the shameful thing that awaits him in the next life because he has wasted the knowledge he has." [2:96]

Ishaq:364 "Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate."

Qur'an 59:6 "What Allah gave as booty to His Messenger, He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle."

And Muslims didn't carry out the Holocaust.

Neither did Christians. Nazis did. Many churches were silent, with is a sin of omission.

Christians (like Dietrich Bonhoeffer opposed the Nazis and were imprisoned for their dissension.

How many Muslims want to wipe Israel off the face of the map? Why is Israel so concerned about Iran having nuclear weapons?

And how can you even IMAGINE that, after just 60 short years of Americans Xians playing nice for feeling badly for ignoring the Holocaust that we could possibly trust you in power?

The United States has had primarily Gentiles and Christians (or Deists) in political leadership. Under that leadership, who has become one of Israel's most consistent allies?

I lost total respect for Jimmy Carter when he spoke against Israel.

But Xians can try to steal our souls before they do the same.

Qur'an 98:1 "Those among the People of the Book, who disbelieve and are idolaters, would never have been freed from their false religion if the Clear Proofs had not come to them. An Apostle of Allah came reading out of hallowed pages.... They were commanded to serve Allah exclusively, fulfilling their devotional obligations, and paying the zakat. Surely the unbelievers and idolaters from the People of the Book will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures."

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 10:43 AM

Moonshadow, the points I was making was that exorcism has nothing to do with baptism. A priest can do both.

Palin was not "de-witched". A preacher who had "de-witched" a different woman prayed for Palin.

A priest who performs an exorcism can also baptize infants - the priest is the only common factor (other than the faith).

A preacher who "de-witched" a woman (whatever that means) prayed for Palin. The only common factor was the preacher (other than the faith).

(Scott, I wrote a lengthy reply that is being held for moderation, too many links I think...at any rate I got the "held for moderation" message)

yelladawgNC
September 29, 2008 12:12 PM

Pastor Muthee didn't "de-witch" that woman. He ruthlessly persecuted her.

This kind of madness has led to the murder or ostracism of many people in Kenya. As recently as May, eleven elderly people between the ages of 80 and 96 were BURNED TO DEATH by a mob who said the old people were witches. No doubt they were incited by their own Pastor Muthee.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7413268.stm

yelladawgNC
September 29, 2008 12:28 PM

Many Republicans, among them those who formerly supported Palin, are now having serious doubts, and at least one has even called for her to step aside.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13991.html

I would not be surprised if Palin "resigned for personal reasons" sometime before the election. It would allow McCain to seize control of the news cycle for a significant portion of the time remaining before November 4.

Anything to divert attention from his record on the issues that really matter to Americans.

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 12:30 PM

Nor did he "de-witch" Palin, as was claimed by anonymous reincarnate.

If you want to compare pastors:

a guest speaker at Palin's (former) church...

Jeremiah Wright...(Black Liberation Theology)

Let it be said, I'm no fan of Pentecostalism. But Palin's beliefs should be examined no MORE than Obama's should.

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 1:19 PM

Ellen,

I'm 42 years old. I'm sure I've read what those links have to say. My family has lived it.

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 2:02 PM

Scott, some of my husband's family were ethnic Jews who fled Europe for the States between WWI and WWII. With the help of Christians.

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 4:34 PM

Ellen,

I would never deny that there were many righteous Xians who saved Jews.

The vast majority, however, did not lift a finger, and that is an indisputable fact. A few of the righteous are not enough to overcome the abandonment by the overwhelming number of Xians in Europe at the time, the vast number that collaborated, and the great number who participated.

The wound is too deep to heal, certainly for me while I breath, and likely for my son, who I teach the history.

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 4:58 PM

so, what you are saying is that the "prejudice" that you decry in me against Islam, is held by you against Christians.

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 5:46 PM

No Ellen, you have no reason to say what you did against Obama, especially given that he is a Christian.

I have 1,900 years of Christian hate for the Jewish people telling me not not trust the Christian church. I have the ghosts of my family calling out from the Krakow ghetto telling me that Christian will hurt me. And I have the future of my son to guard, to make sure that he grows up in a free country and not wearing a yellow star on an armband.

I am not prejudiced. I am just very aware of how dead I can become if I let my guard down. My father always said "Scratch a Christian, find an anti-Semite." I lucked out, because the girl I married didn't fit that bill - but she never took her Christianity that seriously either. The older I get, the more I realize my father was right. Most Christians who do take their religion seriously don't see us as people first, or Americans, or even Jews: They see us as Christ killers.

Scott R.
September 29, 2008 6:08 PM

Ellen,

I copied a post from the Discuss Judaism board. It's from an average Jewish person. It's just to show you we have the same misgivings:

"It is likely that Sarah Palin is antisemitic, but the main stream media are not concerned about antisemitism. A fairly high percent of America, especially the Republican core is antisemitic to some extent so this is not going to bother them either. Remember folks, we are still a barely tolerated minority, even here in the good ole USA."

MzEllen
September 29, 2008 6:57 PM

Then don't trust. Or (in the words of Ronald Reason) trust, but verify.

On one ticket we have a Christian and a Christian. On the other ticket we have a Christian and a Christian.

If you think that Obama's (recently-ex) pastor, with his ties to the New Black Panther Party is any more sympathetic to Jews that Sarah Palin's pastor, you might want to look into "black liberation theology" and its political ties.

I clearly said that Obama is not Muslim. I will say (and stand by it) that the people of Obama's family tree have stated that they want Israel wiped off the map.

Pentecostalism is not my cup of tea. It apparently it is Palin's. Many of them are "fluffy", but they (with a few exceptions) are not violent.

I would worry more about violence in general with Obama as president (not even from a Muslim standpoint, but from a Black Liberation Theology standpoint) than I would be with Palin as VP.

Tom M.
September 29, 2008 6:59 PM


Sarah Palin had a beautiful speech ready for the rally against Axmadinijad in NYC last week, but the Liberals had her disinvited. Dennis Prager pointed out that such folk are Liberals first and Jews second.

The demonstration against Sarah Palin in Philadelphia Friday night was ugly. Sarah Bernhardt's comment about wanting Governor Palin to be gang-raped was also ugly.

Anonymous
September 29, 2008 10:17 PM

I clearly said that Obama is not Muslim. I will say (and stand by it) that the people of Obama's family tree have stated that they want Israel wiped off the map.

And the people from your family tree have stated in the past that they wanted Judaism and Jews wiped off the map. And then they tried. I don't care what each side says, I look at history and what's already been done.

Sarah Palin had a beautiful speech ready for the rally against Axmadinijad in NYC last week, but the Liberals had her disinvited. Dennis Prager pointed out that such folk are Liberals first and Jews second.

Dennis Prager is not well liked in the Jewish community, much because he makes common cause with evangelicals and we look at him as someone who consorts with the enemy.

Jews are Jews first.

The demonstration against Sarah Palin in Philadelphia Friday night was ugly. Sarah Bernhardt's comment about wanting Governor Palin to be gang-raped was also ugly.

It was Sandra Bernhardt and yes, it was ugly. But everyone knows she says what she likes just to get attention.

anonymous reincarnate
September 30, 2008 2:59 AM

"Bridge to nowhere...you mean the one that Obama and Biden voted to remove from the list...AND voted to give Alaska the funding anyway? That bridge?"

yes that bridge. obama and biden never claimed to have voted against it. she did by way of lying.

"Troopergate...that trooper that tazed his stepson?"

that trooper, the one who was suspended for 10 days (reduced to 5) for being stupid and tazing his stepson after he asked to be (and it wasn't a tazer gun, either). but like karen pointed out, troopergate isn't about wooten (her ex-brother-in-law).

"Secessionist husband...and? Have you been to Quebec lately? Or are you Democrats not into political freedom?"

is quebec now or was it ever a state of this union? no. and? (btw, i'm not a democrat.)

"But Palin's beliefs should be examined no MORE than Obama's should."

i couldn't agree more, and since conservatives from the religious reich have hammered on obama's pastor, and on obama's faith (christian or muslim?) then palin deserves no more and no less scrutiny for her wacko practices and beliefs.

the witch hunter pastor from kenya prayed this:

"In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, every form of witchcraft is what you rebuke. In the name of Jesus, in the name of Jesus, father make away now. Come on, talk to God about this woman. We declare, save her from Satan. Make her way, my God. Bring finances her way even for the campaign in the name of Jesus. Use her to turn this nation the other way around."

"What she prayed was that the task in Iraq be God's will."

here's what she said:

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God."

"Is this all you have to throw at her..."

oh, that's not all. these were just the fun ones.

MzEllen
September 30, 2008 7:21 AM

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God."

Out of context, that sounds really bad.

We need to pray that our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God.

Moonshadow
October 1, 2008 1:02 AM

From Ashcroft's Wiki page:

"Ashcroft, a fervent lifelong member of the Assemblies of God church, helped bring the denomination more mainstream recognition ... Ashcroft writes of his anointing himself in the manner of Biblical kings, before both terms as Missouri Governor, using Crisco cooking oil when no holy oil was available."

That's quaint. Really. There, but by the grace of God ... um, I was sorry to see Ashcroft go.

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