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More suppression of free speech from the Obama campaign

posted by Susan Johnson | 11:21am Sunday September 28, 2008

He wouldn’t allow signs at his rally for “security” reasons but the Secret Service said they do not have a problem with signs:

NOT ALL COUNTRIES guarantee their citizens the right to virtually unbridled freedom of speech. The United States does. Would someone please tell the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama? And the dozing guardians of liberty at the University of Mary Washington?
Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee for president, is scheduled to speak at a rally at the university today. The public is invited to this forum, on property it, the public, owns. However, signs and banners will not be allowed, according to the organizers and compliant campus officials. Suddenly, UMW is a First Amendment-Free, or at least a First Amendment-Crippled, Zone, subject to the self-serving preferences of politicos. Why does an Obama rally–or a McCain rally or a Nader rally–justify taking a little off the top of Americans’ most fundamental rights?

What a contrast with a McCain-Palin rally where home-made signs are rampant. It tells you something about how each candidate views the rights of the people who come and see them.
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Charles Cosimano

posted September 28, 2008 at 12:11 pm


A large projector with the message aimed at the wall of the place where Obama is supposed to blather-er-speak would be a good, creative response.



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 1:25 pm


LEFTY LIB MARXISM…which is just what The Obamanation stands for and what you will get far more of with him.
Next Please!



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Lexi Levy

posted September 28, 2008 at 1:38 pm


Get over it … and get a life, PLEASE!!! Or find something we could have a REAL discussion about.



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Chance

posted September 28, 2008 at 2:11 pm


I can’t take you seriously Michelle, when McCain and Palin support the Patriot Act and support banning my right to get married because I am a homosexual. Hmm, equal rights, I think not.



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 2:24 pm


Yes, let’s NOT talk about what OBAMA and his supporters are doing, using government power to suppress FREE SPEECH…no no no, let’s talk about something else or else you LEFTY LIBS would have to face what a MARXIST you support…but wait…maybe it’s because you ARE MARXIST! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Next Please!



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 2:50 pm


Please…please…whined the MARXIST LEFTY LIBBERS…let’s not talk about this MARXIST OPPRESSION by our own using the government to suppress free speech…no no, let’s look the other way…puhlease….
You poor PATHETIC MARXIST, can’t even stomach yourselves. Well maybe one of you will have the courage to admit that this is wrong…but no one will really be looking for courage in your MARXIST LEFTY LIBS.
Next Please!



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MarcM

posted September 28, 2008 at 3:09 pm


You have become just like Malkin, Michele…a brainless prostitute for the GOP.
thinkprogress.org/2008/07/07/librarian-with-mccainbush-sign-kicked-out-of-public-campaign-event/



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dannyuk2

posted September 28, 2008 at 3:20 pm


so the democrats have their faults too – big whoopee-doo. The republicans have their own problems to be dealing with. not allowing signs is not an attack on freedom-of-speech tbh – signs arent even speech – theyre objects. and why is it only the whinging right-wingers are responding – Actually – scrap that – ONE whinging right-winger.
Guy, get a little perspective here. The republicans will try and pass laws to degrade groups of people for being muslim, gay or whatever else they don’t like, And will probably, as before, spread outright lies about these groups of people to get the voters out to support them. All the democrats have done is say “no banners at our convention”.



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ds0490

posted September 28, 2008 at 3:21 pm


Now, now, Mr. Thomas. You know you’re not supposed to be posting on blogs without one of the orderlies watching you. You just get so excited that we have to give you a shot to get you settled back down.
Now come on, there are folks waiting for you back at the lunchroom to finish that domino game. And your favorite show, Green Acres, comes on in just a bit. I hear tonight’s episode is a good one. Mr. Haney goes into Hooterville and visits with those nice girls at the Shady Rest.
Now come on back and Joe here will make sure those nasty marxists don’t take over the world.



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EG

posted September 28, 2008 at 3:56 pm


Why can’t GAT just be banned? It’s totally possible on these blogs.
Of course, maybe GAT is Michele’s WORST side?



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 4:43 pm


Yes BAN GAT…we can’t stand having anything but OUR VOICES heard…CRIED the LEFTY LIB MARXISTS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Next Please!
*With respect to the blog writer Michele, I am not her, she tolerates me just as she tolerates you.
Next Please, again!



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 4:52 pm


Why can’t GAT just be banned? It’s totally possible on these blogs.
Posted by: EG | September 28, 2008 3:56 PM
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Or maybe the blog author doesn’t feel “Suppressing my speech” simply because you don’t like it…is a principled thing to do…you know, like what OBAMANATION supporters are doing by using their law enforcement powers wrongly and in fact, illegally.
Next Please!



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dannyuk2

posted September 28, 2008 at 5:02 pm


seeing as you have only one “insult” to give us Guy Arthur Thomas, i think you’re jealous of us? i mean “lefty lib marxists”? please? if those weren’t such big words for you, id say those were the words of children in the playground, not of a grown man.
I mean what exactly is it that you have against “lefty lib marxists” anyway? care to share it with us?



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 5:23 pm


I mean what exactly is it that you have against “lefty lib marxists” anyway? care to share it with us?
Posted by: dannyuk2 | September 28, 2008 5:02 PM
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You being a MARXIST would mean (I know this is tricky for you but stay with me) that you wouldn’t understand why someone would object to Marxism.
Good Grief where do these LEFTY LIB MARXISTS come from?!
Next Please!



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dannyuk2

posted September 28, 2008 at 6:29 pm


Guy, No, you just cannot answer because you yourself HAVE no answer.



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 6:53 pm


Guy, No, you just cannot answer because you yourself HAVE no answer.
Posted by: dannyuk2 | September 28, 2008 6:29 PM
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Ah yes, the old LEFTY LIB MARXIST PLAY:
I’m rubber, you’re glue what ever you say bounces off of me and stick to you.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Next Please!



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jazzypaul

posted September 28, 2008 at 8:42 pm


GAT,
“I’m rubber, you’re glue what ever you say bounces off of me and stick to you.”
is no different than this following exchange…
“I mean what exactly is it that you have against “lefty lib marxists” anyway? care to share it with us?”
answered by…
“You being a MARXIST would mean (I know this is tricky for you but stay with me) that you wouldn’t understand why someone would object to Marxism.”
I don’t know that I’d ever refer to myself as a “marxist” but I’m definitely a liberal.
And I can think of plenty of reasons why someone wouldn’t want a liberal in office:
1) fear of loss of control of personal decisions re: health care.
2) fear of higher taxes
3) fear of higher amounts of government intervention
4) fear of lax national security
5) fear of more centralized government controls
The list would and could go on and on. Gee, my stating of some conservative positions was more eloquent than yours. That’s kinda ridiculous, don’t you think GAT?
Now, to answer those questions, I’d state the following…
1) how much freedom do you really have now over your health care? Virtually none. Procedures have to be okay’d by insurers before they’ll be done, certain insurers don’t believe in preventative care, many won’t cover optional procedures and many have caps on mental health or rehab care. At the very least, some socialized medicine plans throughout the world are hardcore about preventative care, which lessens the need for more drastic care down the road.
2) re: taxes…someone’s going to have to pay for Bush’s follies. If it isn’t McCain, it’ll just be the poor bum that has to follow him. We can’t keep selling treasury bonds to cover debts. At some point, those debts will be called in, and we’ll be toast. Better to see those taxes raised NOW than in 8-12-16 years when we’re in even bigger trouble.
3) How could we have any more government intervention than what we have now, what with the patriot act, the ability to monitor phone calls without warrants, the ability to detain U.S. CITIZENS without charging them, a potential vice president that wants to ban books, etc?
4) re: national securtiy…this is such a lark. We’re never going to have another president that doesn’t take threats seriously, you know, like Bush did up until 9/12/01. Remember, the Bush camp complained about Clinton being obsessed with Bin Laden. We certainly haven’t had that problem with our current president.
5) How could we get more centralized than we are now? Before Bush, educational goals were mandated by the state, there were no attempts for ridiculous amendments to garner federal control over who can have marital rights, etc.
I have no problem reading the thoughts of an intelligent conservative. The George Will’s, David Brooks’ and others of the world allow me to really think and hone my positions.
But someone who thinks that they’re clever because they can call liberals “lefty lib marxists”?
You only prove your own ignorance.
If you can even make sense of this post, I’d like a reply that does not include the phrase “lefty lib marxist.” Let’s see if you’re up to the challenge.
Good Luck.



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MzEllen

posted September 28, 2008 at 9:01 pm


I’m thinking that GAT is really a liberal…



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Guy Arthur Thomas

posted September 28, 2008 at 9:10 pm


If you can even make sense of this post, I’d like a reply that does not include the phrase “lefty lib marxist.” Let’s see if you’re up to the challenge.
Good Luck.
Posted by: jazzypaul | September 28, 2008 8:42 PM
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One of the clearest signs that someone adheres to MARXISM whether they realize it or not is the attempt at the thought control of others. You want to demand I reply in a fashion based on YOUR expectations and wants.
Yes you are indeed a practicing LEFTY LIB MARXIST.
Next Please!
I have full control over whom I choose for my insurance and then, like any organization, they have rules and regulations I have chosen to abide by.
Next Please!



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jazzypaul

posted September 28, 2008 at 9:32 pm


next? Really? Asking you to make a thoughtful statement instead of a glib “drive-by” post is thought control?
No, it’s not. You can post however you like.
I CHALLENGED you, however, to post an intelligent thought without stooping to name calling.
You utterly failed in that regard. Congratulations. You must bring gobs and gobs of pride to the family name.
as for this…
“I have full control over whom I choose for my insurance and then, like any organization, they have rules and regulations I have chosen to abide by.”
Must be nice to be that rich. Most people don’t have the option to get whatever plan that they’d want for their families without a business providing it for them. At which point, we’re back to square one. Let’s face it, 90% of the people in this country don’t have the any real choice in their health care outside of which primary doctor to see.



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MzEllen

posted September 28, 2008 at 9:33 pm


You want to demand I reply in a fashion based on YOUR expectations and wants.
One of the expectations of adult conversations is that a question will be answered.



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Moonshadow

posted September 28, 2008 at 10:03 pm


I’m thinking that GAT is really a liberal…
I figured you’d eventually come to that conclusion … I think we’ve all toyed with the possibility but, as you read more from him, I think you’ll see that’s wishful thinking. He is the genuine article.



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DC

posted September 28, 2008 at 10:17 pm


Jazzypaul, thank you for your very gracious, patient, and thoughtful comments, and MzEllen, thank you very much for trying to teach GAT some manners. I, too, have sometimes wondered if he is a liberal who is trying to make conservatives look bad with his ignorant and boorish behavior. If I were Michelle, I would delete his comments as a violation of Beliefnet’s rules as well as the most fundamental notions of human decency.
I hope some day Guy Arthur Thomas will have enough respect for his ideas and the rights of others that he will feel up to responsible, substantive conversation on the issues instead of the same tired insults. Until then I think it is best to ignore him. He seems to take any acknowledgment as positive feedback. He just posts the same tired capital letters and exclamation points over and over. I feel sorry for him.



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DonF

posted September 28, 2008 at 10:24 pm


Folks, Guy is simply getting off on the attention he is receiving here. He is a troll, plain and simple. He posts here for one reason only…to get a reaction. Give him a reaction, even a negative one, and he loves it. He’s like a flasher in the park, showing his goods to kiddies that come by. He wants the buzz from the reaction…nothing else.
He doesn’t have to offer any intelligent opinion here. That is not what he wants. He wants to stir things up, push buttons, and provoke an argument. Try to engage him in an intelligent discussion and he will resort to his usual spew.
Guy seems to be a wide spread troll. He puts in appearances on many other blogs…either that or he has purloined a name for here.
thevulgartruth.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx
deceiver.com/2008/08/21/john-mccain-and-the-527-connection/
(note comment below main blog entry)
http://www.mediabistro.com/bbs/cache/t39681_1.asp
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30407.html
If you don’t like Guy, don’t respond to him. Eventually he will go elsewhere where he can get what he wants…attention. Let him ramble and look like a loon. Talk around him. Eventually he will cross the line and Beliefnet will sanction him.
But as long as you address him, even in a polite manner, he will simply act like a the conservative concern troll he is.



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anonymous reincarnate

posted September 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm


not at all unique to obama’s campaign. bush campaign staff had people escorted out and arrested for wearing anti-bush t-shirts. and mccain has done the same (http://www.denverpost.com/newsheadlines/ci_9844803):

It was Sen. John McCain’s staff who asked security at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts to remove people holding protest signs at the venue — not U.S. Secret Service agents, who were not involved in Carol Kreck’s ouster from the galleria.

A video of the incident circulating widely on the Internet shows a DCPA security guard saying that he was told by the Secret Service to remove Kreck, who was holding a paper sign that said “McCain = Bush.”

“A representative of Senator John McCain’s staff respectfully asked that the venue for its July 7 Town Hall Meeting, The Denver Center for the Performing Arts, not allow persons to display signage within the Arts Complex,” DCPA officials said in a statement.



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MzEllen

posted September 29, 2008 at 9:43 am


Must be nice to be that rich. Most people don’t have the option to get whatever plan that they’d want for their families without a business providing it for them. At which point, we’re back to square one. Let’s face it, 90% of the people in this country don’t have the any real choice in their health care outside of which primary doctor to see.
Here is McCain’s page on health care.
Here is Obama’s.



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