The meltdown was a given even with the bailout.

Read my lips, Deregulation, deregulation, no oversight, Profit taking, greed and deregulation. You can blame the Democrats all you want, but the Buck stops at the White House. All are to blame, GOP, Dems and The White House.
We need two things to happen, a Domestic Marshall Plan and Criminal action taken by the Attorney General (which will never happen) against both parties and SEC for creating a failed economic policy that let Wall Street, the Banks and the lobbyists govern the money.

All are to blame, GOP, Dems and The White House.
Yeah. Further…this is a global crisis…the GOP, Dems and the White House had little to do with public policy and mortgage lending in Iceland.
We’ve been putting bandaid after bandaid on a hemorrhage. It’s not working anymore.

Her Holiness, Dalai Palin, gave audience today and actually took a question from the devotees.
And she muffed it.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081010/ap_on_el_pr/palin_oil_exports
“WASHINGTON – Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, touted by GOP presidential candidate John McCain as his expert on energy, seemed to have problems Thursday explaining whether the government bans oil exports — especially from her state’s North Slope fields.”
The Minister of Oil for Alaska? Maybe not.

Word on Troopergate out tomorrow: stay tuned. Since the McCain campaign issued a statement tonight defending Palin, that’s a pretty good indication the report says she abused her power in firing Walt Moneghan. It’s an impeachable offense. What will McCain do? Now that her negatives are shooting up after she whips up crowds to call for Obama’s death, maybe he’s rethinking his decision.
Around here, a new group has formed: GASP, or “Girlfriends Appalled by Sarah Palin.” They doubled their membership in less than a week and every one of them is out volunteering for Obama.
Then there’s the matter of Palin’s associations, including a guy known as “Black Helicopter Steve” because he buried several large guns in his yard just in case the New World Order took over.
“Meet Sarah Palin’s Radical Right-Wing Pals”
Two radical right wing extremists helped Sarah Palin get elected as mayor of Wasilla, and according to one of them “her door was open” to them, and still is.
Mark Chryson is the former chairman of the Alaska Independence Party.
“Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South [there are roughly 30 of these, folks--who knew?], he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin’s campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory.”
“Palin backed Chryson as he successfully advanced a host of anti-tax, pro-gun initiatives, including ONE THAT ALTERED THE STATE CONSTITUTION’S LANGUAGE TO BETTER FACILITATE THE FORMATION OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT MILITIAS [Emphasis mine]. SHE JOINED IN THEIR VENDETTA against several local officials they disliked, and listened to their advice about hiring. She attempted to name Stoll, a John Birch Society activist known in the Mat-Su Valley as `Black Helicopter Steve,’ to an empty Wasilla City Council seat. `Every time I showed up her door was open,’ said Chryson. `And that policy continued when she became governor.’
“In Wasilla, the AIP became powerful by proxy — because of Chryson and Stoll’s alliance with Sarah Palin. Chryson and Stoll had found themselves in constant opposition to policies of Wasilla’s Democratic mayor, who started his three-term, nine-year tenure in 1987. By 1992, Chryson and Stoll had begun convening regular protests outside City Council. Their demonstrations invariably involved grievances against any and all forms of `socialist government,’ from city planning to public education. Stoll shared Chryson’s conspiratorial views: `The rumor was that he had wrapped his guns in plastic and buried them in his yard so he could get them after the New World Order took over,’ Stein told a reporter.”
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/

Woman’s rights advocate: McCain sides with ‘sympathizers and enablers of domestic terrorism’
Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday October 8, 2008
After John McCain’s campaign began smearing Barack Obama over his previous associations with a former 60s radical, a spokeswoman for the Republican candidate issued a bold declaration: If McCain had consorted with abortion clinic bombers, it would be a legitimate story.
The Arizona Senator may not have directly consorted with any clinic bombers, but his legislative record was certainly favorable to them, and critics are hammering his association with sympathizers of domestic terrorists who target abortion providers.
People For the American Way encouraged McCain to “look in the mirror” after a RAW STORY report revealed McCain’s connection with Marylin Shannon, a Republican official in Oregon who was a McCain delegate at this year’s GOP convention. The two appeared together at a 1993 fundraiser for an ultra-conservative organization where Shannon praised a woman who was later convicted of attempted murder in the shooting of an abortion clinic doctor.
“When anti-choice extremists were terrorizing American women and their doctors, John McCain had multiple opportunities to make what should have been an easy choice,” PFAW president Kathryn Kolbert said Tuesday. “But he chose political expediency over law and order.
“He didn’t say a word when Marylin Shannon sympathized with an attempted killer. He voted against the clinic access bill even as everyday Americans were being assaulted and besieged by domestic terrorists,” continued Kolbert, a longtime women’s rights advocate who successfully argued a crucial abortion rights case before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1992. “As someone who faced repeated threats for work on behalf of reproductive rights, I am deeply disturbed by John McCain’s willingness to stand with and side with sympathizers and enablers of domestic terrorism.”
McCain and Shannon appeared together at a fundraiser for the Oregon Citizens Alliance in 1993, a gathring of Christian right extremists that even fellow Republicans advised McCain not to attend because the group was so far outside the mainstream.
Speaking before McCain, Shannon offered some kind words for Shelley Shannon, who was accused and later convicted of shooting an abortion doctor: “I’m not related to Shelly Shannon, but I think she’s a fine lady,” the vice chairwoman of the state Republican Party said. McCain apparently said nothing to contradict that judgement, and less than three months later he voted against a bill that would make abortion clinic bombings a federal crime.
Author and journalist Frederick Clarkson has written extensively about the Army of God, the radical Christian organization that trained Shelley Shannon and others like her to bomb abortion clinics and attack abortion providers. He provides some more details on Shannon. She was eventually convicted of the attempted murder of a Wichita, Kan., doctor and of committing a spree of abortion clinic arsons across the west.
Shelly Shannon also considered herself a soldier in the underground terror organization, Army of God, which views Shannon as a “hero of the faith” and a “Warrior Soldier in the Army of God.” The group devotes a section of its web site to celebrating her exploits and her martyrdom. …
The so called Army of God manual was passed around and added to over the years and desccribes how to wage a terror campaign against clinics. The first copy to fall into the hands of federal law enforcement was dug up in Shelly Shannon’s back yard. …
Thus it is worth considering the disingenuous euphemisms of Marilyn Shannon (no relation to Shelly) who was not only public apologist for a notorious domestic terrorist, but served as vice chair of the Oregon GOP and as a McCain delegate to the Republican National Convention this year.
After days of attacking Obama for his previous association with former Weather Underground member William Ayers, McCain’s campaign seems to be backing off. Ayers’s name was not mentioned at all during Tuesday night’s debate, despite high expectations that McCain would keep up the attacks. His campaign advisers seem to be recognizing that the attacks are ineffective, and the candidate is now pivoting back to talking about the economy.

Barack Obama’s got more radical skeletons in his closet in his puny little career than John McCain has in all of his years.

I don’t care how many skeletons fall out of the candidate’s closet. I want the economy fixed!
Obama can kill all the babies he wants, Palin can cook them, McCain eat them and Biden wash the dishes! I want the economy fixed!
Let’s get this straight for once. Abortion does not matter. Terrorism does not matter. Iraq certainly does not matter. The only thing that matters right now is the economy.
Because if the economy does not get fixed no one is going to be in a position to worry about that other stuff. And if the truth be told I don’t know if any of this collection of idiots and lunatics we have been offered is capable of doing it.
Fit for the Presidency? Not one of them is fit to clean the White House toilets.

CC, chill out! No Drama Obama will make a good and possibly great president. I can’t think of another politician I’d rather see step into the job at a moment like this. He’s smart as a tree full of owls, he’s nimble, he’s pragmatic, he’s tough, he plays well with others and he knows how to get things done. Mark my words.
In the meantime, go take a walk, preferably under some trees. Look at the sky. Feel the sun. Listen to the birds. Consider the lilies. And if you can’t do any of that, just take some deep, cleansing breaths.
Steady, steady.

And why is our economy in the toilet? Let’s see, the democrats with their deep compassion wanted mortgage companies to lend to people who couldn’t afford a house. When republicans in congress were asking for oversight of Fannie May & Freddie Mac 2 years ago (and it is documented in congressional records)democrats continued to refuse to do anything about it. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Charles Schumer are the biggest scum bags that there ever was. Why they are still in office is beyond me. And then there’s Barack Obama who had the second largest contributions from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac behind Chris Dodd. Franklin Raines and James Johnson walks away from Fannie Mae with billions and they’re in Obama’s advising circle. People get a clue! There are problems not only with the foreclosed property that banks have but also with people not paying their loans or credit cards. We live in a country where people think that they have the right to own something even if they can’t pay for it and our government by bailing out entities because they were stupid enough to go down that road because of their greed has already become one step closer to socialism.
You know what I’d be interested in? How many of those Obamanites that are contributing online with their credit cards will pay their credit card bills! Another bailout for the banks and we all may be contributing to ChaObama’s campaign!

Gidget, you need to lay off that GOP Kool-Aid.
You don’t really think Americans are going to blame the Democrats for this mess when Bush came into office and blew Clinton’s huge surplus the first year he was there so he could slash taxes for his fat cat donors?
You don’t really think Americans are going to blame Democrats when Republicans had control of Congress for 12 years our of the last 14, and control of the White House for eight?
You don’t really think Americans are going to blame Obama for getting us into a stupid endless war that has bankrupted us and accomplished precisely what Osama bin Laden was after, bring the American economy to its knees?
If you truly believe the Republicans have any chance of ducking responsibility for this mess by shifting the blame, then I’ve got a great Bridge to Nowhere I’d love to sell you.
As for “socialism,” I do believe it’s the Bush Administration that is seriously considering nationalizing the banks at this very moment.

the democrats with their deep compassion wanted mortgage companies to lend to people who couldn’t afford a house.
But he did help a few people get out of your slums, Mr. Potter. And what’s wrong with that? Why . . . Here, you’re all businessmen here. Doesn’t it make them better citizens? Doesn’t it make them better customers? You . . . you said . . . What’d you say just a minute ago? . . . They had to wait and save their money before they even ought to think of a decent home. Wait! Wait for what? Until their children grow up and leave them? Until they’re so old and broken-down that they . . . Do you know how long it takes a working man to save five thousand dollars? Just remember this, Mr. Potter, that this rabble you’re talking about . . . they do most of the working and paying and living and dying in this community. Well, is it too much to have them work and pay and live and die in a couple of decent rooms and a bath? Anyway, my father didn’t think so. People were human beings to him, but to you, a warped, frustrated old man, they’re cattle. Well, in my book he died a much richer man than you’ll ever be!
“George Bailey” – my favorite Presbyterian! (With all due respect to “The Reformed Chicks”).

nice, moonshadow. thanks.

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