Michele, why do you ignore our national debt when you mention the “long run”? This video is so dishonest it’s ridiculous. Who is going to pay our $10.5 trillion debt? Do you really think it will disappear if we give rich people bigger tax cuts? HOW do you plan on paying for this? You can’t cover a $10,000,000,000,000 bill by cutting out $18 billion in earmarks. You can’t cover $10.5 trillion by increasing military spending. SOMEONE will have to pay for this. YOUR KIDS will have to foot this bill!
It’s so hard to debate nuanced arguments with you people. You can’t seem to hold 2 discrete points in your head simultaneously. You are dishonest when you say Obama is going to redistribute our wealth by returning to a CLINTONIAN tax plan. You are also dishonest when you pretend this country will get out of debt by reducing taxes. MIchele, wake up: every MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD, both RIGHT and LEFT, now has a $35,000 debt thanks to GWB. That debt is even bigger if you factor in credit, mortgages, etc etc.
I am also amazed that you are now moderating and removing comments simply because people disagree with you by presenting contradictory evidence! It really shows how far the right has fallen.

And tell me where is Obama’s plan to reduce the National Debt? If you fail to address entitlements, there’s no way to do that in any way that’s meaningful.

I’m sorry, but after the last eight years of a Republican president, six of those with a Republican Congress, the idea of being lectured about economics by a Republican is laughable.
Just look at the differences in the size, scope, and debt of government from the time Bush took office until now. The Republican party as it stands now is nowhere near fiscally conservative, and they should stop trying to lecture the rest of us about how poor we’re all going to be under an Obama presidency.
Simply put, it can’t be any worse than what the last eight years of Republican rule has gotten us. The GOP is a joke when it comes to economics and they’ve got no room to talk. Period.

Go to the Tax Policy Center. Obama’s tax plan ads significantly less to the deficit. Many generations will be paying for the Republican deregulation and the unjust Iraq war that was against the teachings of Christ.

I am new to Beliefnet. Only been here a few times. But the lies that this video discusses straight McCain party line. Yes. I support Obama. And if she pointed out facts and not untruths, I would not be writing this.
This is a religious site, correct? Isn’t one of the few things every faith shares the demand for honesty?
This is wrong, Beliefnet. Please remedy.

A ministerial candidate opposing fighting global poverty?
Supporting investing Social Security in the stock market AFTER WHAT’S JUST HAPPENED ON WALL STREET?!
Who’s smart and who’s dumb?

It seems to have escaped the Republicans’ notice that Clinton balanced the budget and left office with a huge surplus, which Bush promptly proceeded to blow through his first year in office before going on to run up the debt into the stratosphere while slashing taxes on the wealthiest 1 percent. McCain the Deregulator wants to make those tax cuts for the wealthiest even deeper, while doing nothing to address the 10 billion a month we’re spending in Iraq or making any significant departures in economic policy from Bush.
It’s a NO-BRAINER. Michele, evidently you didn’t get the talking point on this one: “IF WE TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY, WE’RE GOING TO LOSE.”
But to be fair, if you talk about Iraq you’re going to lose, if you call Obama a celebrity, a terrorist, a socialist, a Marxist, you’re going to lose, if you talk about the past you’re going to lose, if you talk about a Republican future you’re going to lose, if you talk about what a great vice-president Palin will make you’re going to lose, if you whip up racial hatred you’re going to lose, if you try to terrify people you’re going to lose, if you lie about Obama’s tax policies you’re going to lose, if you say nothing about people at your rallies screaming “kill him!” you’re going to lose, if you say you’re going to cut Medicare and Medicaid you’re going to lose, if you say there are anti-American and pro-American parts of the country you’re going to lose, if your brother calls 911 to complain about traffic and then says f*** you to the dispatcher, you’re going to lose, if your running mate says she’s a regular old hockey mom and then turns out be sporting a $150,000 wardrobe from Neiman-Marcus and Saks you’re going to lose, if the senior senator in your party who also happens to be from your v-p candidate’s state is convicted of seven felony counts, you’re going to lose, and if your v-p candidate herself is found guilty of violating the public trust and then goes around lying about having not done anything wrong, you’re going to lose.
Face it: you’re going to lose. Big. I hope the Republicans will now slink away and lick their wounds and be quiet and let the rest of us get on with doing what needs to be done to put our country and our economy back together. But I know you will just get more and more vicious and more and more bitter when you’re out of power. Which is O.K., really, because that just means . . . you’re going to KEEP losing.

I’m new to this website, and I see I probably don’t fit in very well.
The thought process of so many “searchers” on this website is so erratic.
Most of the arguments for voting for Obama because Bush was sooooooooooooo bad, makes about as much sense as a heterosexual who dated a guy for several years and found out he wasn’t who she thought he was, becomes a lesbian. Wake up people.
Becoming a lesbian when you were a heterosexual is a bit drastic. I would say that voting for Obama because Bush devestated you is the same.

I took advantage of early voting and cast my ballot for Obama, not against Bush. And I voted for him for two reasons– 1) I happen to agree with Obama on many policy issues, and 2) I think he’s the best man for the job. That’s it.
As for Bush, he didn’t disappoint me. I knew all along that he’d be an abject failure as President, and he more than lived up to that prediction. He just happened to fail on a much larger scale than I’d guessed he would.

Itsnottoolate, I know you think your analogy is frightfully clever, but unfortunately it’s a completely ridiculous line of reasoning.
http://lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html
It’s more like a girl who unknowingly dates a guy in the Mafia (Bush), breaks up with him after discovering his destructive, underhanded way of life, and then is hit on by his brother (McCain).
You can’t tell anyone to wake up if you’re still sleeping.
P.S. Adam, the modern history of Democratic budget-balancing and Republican budget-exploding undermines your argument in itself. Listen to Julie, look at Obama’s plan, and then come back to drone on about Marxism (which you clearly learned about from Rush Limbaugh, as it’s obvious you have never picked up a history book, let alone a dictionary, to know what that term means).
More tax cuts, more war, and more shielding from reality will not get us out of this hole.

Link not working for ya? Here:
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

Apparently you do not know that Clinton balanced the budget by taking out numerous loans which did not come due until after he departed the Presidency. Clinton was not the answer and most certainly not a Christian one by abusing the Oval Office and Obama is not either. I would like to keep my hard earned money and share with those less fortunate than me by my own choosing not by someone elses. This is why our ancestors came to this country.
In addition, it is the Democratic Congress that has moved us to this state of the nation in the last 4 years, up until then it was not anyhwere near this bad.
It is not the social organizer who will maintain your freedom but the soldier who always has and who always will.

become a lesbian for detesting bush? …that’s got to be the dumbest analogy that i’ve read in my entire lifetime.

Obama on “redistribution of wealth” — take the time to listen to this and share it with your friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
A Reality Check on Obama’s Wish List http://is.gd/4OJV
100 Days of Obama-Biden-Reid-Pelosi http://is.gd/4ZaQ
Obama basic goal: Take money away from people who work for it and give it to people who Barack Obama believes deserve it http://is.gd/4Z2Y
Liberals plan for YOUR Social Security: Force YOU to sell your 401K in trade 4 govt bonds http://tinyurl.com/56pydr
Barney Frank says Dems will cut defense, raise taxes, and spend lots of money http://is.gd/4JLb
Society after society has tried and failed the economic solution of “spreading the wealth around.” http://is.gd/4OGe
Obama and his “lunatic tax plan…” References WSJ article. http://tinyurl.com/6qyw2a
Obama’s tax plan: Rush (from 10/13/08 program) explains Obama’s tax plan pt. 1.. http://tinyurl.com/6ap8cg
Obama threshold for tax-credit now $200K- and the “slippery slope” becomes apparent. #taxes #redistributewealth ObaMarx
Would Obama Tax Your Life Savings? http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/23840.html
Obama’s taxing philosophies mirror the Netherlands, where 52% of income in taxes supports people who do little work http://is.gd/4SYX
SEE this video before you vote! http://oldbluewebdesigns.com/USSA.htm
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. – Thomas Jefferson
When people can vote for money the Republic is doomed, -Ben Franklin
Please vote for McCain – Palin, and get everyone you know to do the same

“This is why our ancestors came to this country.”
um, not exactly. kind of a myopic view that you have there.
“It is not the social organizer who will maintain your freedom but the soldier who always has and who always will.”
i’m not relying on the social organizer to maintain my freedom, but the constitutional scholar who will live by his pledge to defend the constitution (and actually understand what that means). the soldier protects my life, the people protect my freedom (by voting out these rotten republicans).

ANONYMOUS REINCARNATE…….
Since you have difficulty in getting a grip on exactly who you are – or where you came from, you are also having difficulty understanding that it’s not the analogy that’s dumb, it’s the extremism of day that is dumb.

Supporting investing Social Security in the stock market AFTER WHAT’S JUST HAPPENED ON WALL STREET?!
If you are looking to make huge, short term profits, Wall Street is not the place to do it. Ever.
If you are looking to the long term, people are still “buying low, selling high” and this is a good time to buy low.

James,
Pay attention. My analogy is apropos in the context intended. Not in the context you used. Your analogy assumed an already left wing thinking voter, not a former Bush supporter. Nice try.
Lord willing, we won’t have to see the disaster that faces our nation if Obama wins, but if we do, you Obama voters will loathe the choice you made for a long, long time.

Itsnottoolate, I think you’re wrong. Here’s the reason – many Obama supporters fully understand what is at stake and they approve.

MzEllen,
exactly what are you approving, without lashing out against Bush or McCain?

I approve of upholding the Constitution, not seeing it as a flawed document that needs fixing through liberal ideology.
I approve of uncovering the lie that making abortion more accessible will make it less common.
I approve of lowering taxes for all and cutting government spending as the way to lower the deficit. If it’s not in the Constitution, our federal taxes should not be paying for it.
I approve of giving power back to the states, instead of giving lip service to letting the states vote on issues like abortion, only to pledge that the first act as president would be to sign a bill that would render all state laws null and void.
I approve of creating jobs through creating wealth, not spreading it around.
I approve of protecting and supporting those who cannot take care of themselves, and recognizing that for those who won’t take care of themselves – hunger can be a great motivator.
I approve of making sure that those who are eligible to vote are allowed to vote…and making sure that those who are not eligible to vote are not allowed.
I weep with who weep when they read that nearly half of all pregnancies of African-American women end in abortion. I approve and join in their efforts to stop that trend.
I approve in strengthening our borders, in strengthening our national security.
I’m not particularly pleased with the choice of John McCain. He would not have been my first (or second) choice.
But I believe he is a better choice than Barack Obama.

LOL, I thought you were an Obama supporter. I’m reading what you approve and thinking, so why would you vote for Obama.
I definitely didn’t pick up on your dry humor. It doesn’t always translte in print.
Thanks for the response, I love it.

James wrote
October 28, 2008 12:49 AM
Itsnottoolate, I know you think your analogy is frightfully clever, but unfortunately it’s a completely ridiculous line of reasoning
It’s more like a girl who unknowingly dates a guy in the Mafia (Bush), breaks up with him after discovering his destructive, underhanded way of life, and then is hit on by his brother (McCain).
BUT ACTUALLY JAMES, IT’S LIKE BEING HIT ON BY HIS BROTHER (MCCAIN) AND RAPED BY HIS NEIGHBOR OBAMA WHEN SHE WENT THE WRONG WAY.

Oh – not NOT an Obama supporter.
But you talk about “spreading the wealth”, instead of ringing warning bells, Obama supporters say, “yeah.”
And when you talk about Obama’s 100% NARAL rating and advocating for abortion “rights” at any time, for any reason, at any stage of the pregnancy, they fully understand who they are voting for.

itsnottoolate, your caps lock is on.
“Since you have difficulty in getting a grip on exactly who you are – or where you came from”
wow, was that an attempt at “clever?” *chuckle* your analogy still sucks.
by the way, it’s almost too late and mccain hasn’t made a move other than to continue to recycle lies about obama – ones that the weak minded like you are all too eager to believe. but then, as an right wing extremist, you would have been voting for mcsame anyway.
mzellen is only partly right. you can come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories and fantasies and fear mongering, and we’ll just say “yeah” because we’re not duped into believing what limbaugh tells you to believe. that’s a whole world of make-believe you have going on there.

Yup that was a funny, Anonymous Reincarnate. It hasn’t gone unnoticed that you belittle someone for saying something, then you turn around and do the same thing right back. But what is even funnier is that nobody and I mean nobody has ever call me weak minded. In a weird way, I take it as a complement.
I’m surprised that you would have the facts on what Limbaugh is talking about on his radio program. You listen? I don’t even listen to him. What’s even more interesting is the way you and other Obama shadows (which your name seems to give away) say that those not supporting him repeat lies about him. Exactly how much back up do you have to support this “lie” assertion? I haven’t heard one “negative” comment about him that wasn’t dubbed a lie. Now this seems a LITTLE fishy, don’t ya think? Who is really being duped?

Speaking of socialism and spreading the wealth, by her own words, Sarah Palin is quite the little socialist herself:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/09/22/080922fa_fact_gourevitch
And Alaska—we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”
Collective ownership of resources? The state equally parsing out oil revenues to every man, woman, and child in the state? Sounds like a socialist state to me, and Sarah Palin’s in charge of it.

“It hasn’t gone unnoticed that you belittle someone for saying something”
that’s right, i belittle every ignorant thing you say.
“I don’t even listen to [Limbaugh].”
limbaugh, malkin, savage, fox news… it matters little, their message is the same.
“You listen?”
sometimes, yes. and it’s amazing how wrong he is and how much he distorts reality. he’s a joke. but the serious problem is that he has such a following from the right wing who buy his b.s. with eager, weak minds.
“I haven’t heard one ‘negative’ comment about him that wasn’t dubbed a lie. Now this seems a LITTLE fishy, don’t ya think?”
i don’t put faith in the “seemingly fishy” which is probably why i’m not a republican. i look at evidence and fact. the reason why most negative comments against obama have been “dubbed a lie” is because most of the negative comments about him are in fact lies. we’ve been here pointing them out, providing facts and evidence from independent sources. all that you right-wing extremists have to throw at obama are lies, innuendos and conspiracies. he’s a socialist? lie. he’s hiding some terrorist or communist association with ayers? lie. he’s a muslim? lie. he’s going to tax you while mccain will cut your taxes? lie. he’s pro-abortion? lie. he’s the most liberal person in the senate? lie. he’ll take away all of your guns? lie. he doesn’t say the pledge of allegiance? lie. he doesn’t support the troops? lie. he’s not really an american? lie. so, like “joe the plumber” if you believe any of those lies, you’re being duped.

anonymous reincarnate:
I feel sorry for you.

If you are looking to the long term, people are still “buying low, selling high” and this is a good time to buy low.
As you are fond of saying, “You first.”
“July 30, 1931. Magazines and newspapers are full of articles telling people to buy stocks, real estate etc. at present bargain prices. They say that times are sure to get better and that many big fortunes have been built this way. The trouble is that nobody has any money.”
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/10/ben-roths-depression-diary.html

“I feel sorry for you.”
good one. that’s a convincing argument in support of your flawed analogy.
where’s your evidence (some statistics?) on why people are voting for obama? you throw out a claim and don’t support it with anything but a lame analogy about a heterosexual going gay because she’s disappointed with her man. with your one comment you’ve shown that you know little about obama, about obama supporters and nothing about homosexuality. with subsequent comments, you’ve only highlighted your lack of knowledge.

anonymous incarnate,
au contraire