Palin hits Obama's friendship with William Ayers
Sunday October 5, 2008
Categories: Politics
It's about time that the McCain campaign hit Obama on the Ayers connection. He had a working relationship with the guy and it's being ignore because the MSM wants him to win. If the press won't do it's job, I...
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This story has been around for months and hasn't had any traction. The McCain campaign can't win on the issues and policy, so needs to get ugly. They want to detract from the weakness of Palin and McCain's incompetence on the economy. It's said, really, to see someone like McCain getting this desparate after the way he was slimed by the Bush's in past elections.
The story doesn't get traction because the MSM ignores it.
It has also largely ignored the Black Liberation Theology that is embraced by Obama's church of 20 years.
And Reznek.
When was the last time you saw any of these addressed in "mainstream" media?
That's why information must be imparted by bloggers...the media is no longer trustworthy in the eyes of many Americans.
You mean as opposed to a Vice Presidential candidate whose husband supported Alaska's seceding from the U.S.?
Who's a terrorist now?
Funny.
When was the last time you saw any of these addressed in "mainstream" media?
Six months ago during the Democratic primaries.
Hillary Clinton brought up Ayers, Wright and Rezko. They didn't work for her then, and they won't work for McCain now, especially since McCain's campaign has admitted they're going to use those men to "turn the page on the financial crisis".
This is nothing but a distraction because McCain can't win on the issues, and the single biggest issue on voters' minds, the economy, is a losing issue for him.
mccain is desperate and dirty. palin is his lapdog.
So when is Palin going on Face the Nation, Fox News Sunday, or Meet the Press to talk about any of this?
Can you spell D-E-M-O-N-I-Z-E?
When you've got no record, no plan, no clue as to how to deal with the huge mess your own party has gotten the country in, you've only got one card left to play.
It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now. Yesterday I spent a beautiful fall Saturday going door to door in a small town in NC with a couple of dozen other volunteers, sitting on front porches talking to folks about Obama and his plans to jumpstart the economy and provide tax breaks for the middle and working class. The same scenario is taking place right this minute all over America. People are hurting and they need to know that there's one candidate in this race who's capable of thinking straight on the economy instead of jumping like a flea from one position to another in pursuit of the news cycle. They are registering to vote in record numbers and believe me, we will make sure they get to the polls and that their votes are counted.
Bottom line: The Republicans had their chance and they blew it, big time. It's absolutely staggering to contemplate the wreckage of our standing, our honor, our freedoms, our foreign policy, and our economy that has come about in eight years of Republican rule. One elderly gentleman I spoke to put it succinctly. If McCain gets in, he said, "we're ruint."
SOMETIMES WE DEAF PEOPLE HEAR BETTER THAN U HEARING.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE FACT, THE OBAMANATION MAKE FRIEND WITH HORRIBLE TERRORIST RIGHT IN OWN NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT ALONE REASON TO VOTE FOR SARAH PALIN, AND HOPE MCCAIN DECIDE TO RETIRE EARLY.
Dear "Righty Conservitive" [sic],
You'll have more cred if you learn to spell your name.
In the words of John Stuart Mill, more applicable now than ever:
"It is NOT true that all conservatives are stupid, but it IS true that most stupid people are conservative."
That's C-O-N-S-E-R-V-A-T-I-V-E.
Try using verbs in your sentences. And stop shouting. It's really difficult to read what you're writing.
If Palin becomes President, this country is shot. We'll move to Israel.
If Palin becomes President, this country is shot. We'll move to Israel.
Posted by: Scott R. | October 5, 2008 4:53 PM
More threats of leaving. Is that supposed to make us sad?
The Ayers "thing" will get traction if she stays on it, because she gets attention. He is a terrotist creep, and Obama is an acolyte. The biggest thing the McCain/Palin ticket has to offer is that they are not Obama. The only thing Obama has been specific about is that he is not George Bush. Neither is McCain, by the way.
" . . . And I think Governor Palin here is making a strategic mistake. This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign . . . . John McCain SAT ON THE BOARD [emphasis mine] of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League - the parent organization - which ADL said `has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.'" Paul Begala on the Huffington Post
Not to mention McCain's close friendship with Charles Keating. (Look it up, people: you need to know your candidate's history)
People who live in eleven glass houses shouldn't let their sidekicks throw stones. Especially when that sidekick is married to a guy whose voter registration for years was as a member of the Alaska Independence Party (how patriotic is THAT?)
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10
/wm_ayers_v_todd_palin_tales_fr.php
and who goes around quoting a Fascist who called for the assassination of FDR and RFK on the glories of "small town America." Or was that "small mind America?"
MzEllen criticized me when I said I fully expected the McCain campaign to get more and more vicious as Election Day nears. Well, I was right. How about a little criticism of the Republicans now? This latest attack from Palin is disgusting and un-American. Joe McCarthy would have loved her even more than ol' "Starbursts" National Review Editor what's-his-face.
The Ayers "thing" will get traction if she stays on it, because she gets attention. He is a terrotist creep, and Obama is an acolyte.
This is rubbish. Sean Hannity has been bleating about Ayers for months now and the only people who care are people who wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place.
Also, Ayers is currently a professor at the University of Chicago. Are all his students and fellow faculty members acolytes of his as well because they have daily contact with him?
Honestly, people need to get over the culture wars of the 1960's. It's not 1968 anymore. Join the rest of us in 2008 and stop fighting the wars of the past.
TALK IS CHEAP ... CHECK OBAMA'S RECORD !!!
A candidate's track record, and associations are always a legitimate issue when running for President. Let's take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School ... and, how did he live up to that potential? ... He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS ... along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago ... then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times ... he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a 'contributing' U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. If Obama's Twentyfive year track record shows he lacks judgement, and can't be trusted, who cares what he says about Health Care and the Economy! What Obama never learned is Character. He simply can't be trusted ... ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personal ambition ... and, you Obama supporters really think he won't betray you If he gets elected??? If he gets elected, you Obama supporters will be facing a HUGE disillusionment !!!
Not to mention McCain's close friendship with Charles Keating. (Look it up, people: you need to know your candidate's history)
I know of the five, 2 were found to be guilty of no wrong doing. McCain was one.
Keep smearing.
Correction: Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, not the University of Chicago. My mistake.
The rest of the post still stands, though. The only people who truly care about this story wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place.
Everyone else will see this nonsense for what it is: a desperate attempt by the McCain camp to change the subject from the economy, which is a losing issue for them. They can't win on the issues, so they have to try and Swiftboat Obama instead.
Re: my earlier post on the perils of using guilt by association. Just spent a fascinating half hour researching the U.S. Council on World Freedom whose board McCain was a member of; it was the American chapter of the World Anti-Communist League (WACL). Here's some background:
"The World Anti-Communist League was founded in 1966 in Taipei, Taiwan. WACL was conceived as an expansion of the Asian People's Anti-Communist League, a regional alliance against communism formed at the request of Chiang Kai-shek at the end of the Korean War(1,9,30,35). . . . The founders of APACL were agents of the governments of Taiwan and Korea, including Park Chung Hee who later became president of Korea; Yoshio Kodama, a member of organized crime in Japan; Ryiochi Sasakawa, a gangster and Japanese billionaire jailed as a war criminal after World War II; and Osami Kuboki and other followers of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church. (4,8,9,11,30) Sasakawa provided major funding for Moon and the Unification Church. When Park became president of South Korea after the 1961 coup, he adopted the Unification Church as his political arm. (45)"
Oh, it gets better, folks!
"One resource states that the Anti-Bolshevic Bloc of Nations (ABN), headed by the notorious Yaroslav Stetsko since the 1950s, entered the group in the early 1960s. (11,45) The ABN is the largest and most important umbrella for former Nazi collaborators in the world. (11)
"During the 1970s WACL spread to all six continents . . . . The organization attracted former Nazi supporters in Europe and in Latin America. The Latin American group, Confederacion Anti-Comunista Latinoamericana (CAL), headed by Raimundo Guerrero, sprang from the roots of Los Tecos, a World War II fascist group. (11) CAL was overtly fascist and connected to a chain of rightwing military plots in Latin America. (59)
"The Unification Church (UC) of Sun Myung Moon has remained a major power within WACL. Moon claimed that he raised $1.4 million for WACL's 1970 annual conference. (41) In 1975, Moon denounced WACL as being too fascist, and claimed to sever connections between it and the UC. Reports in the New York Times, Searchlight and elsewhere, however, indicate the separation is nominal only . . . .
"From 1978 to 1980 Roger Pearson, well known for his theory of white supremacy and his fascist sympathies, was chairman of WACL. Pearson concentrated his efforts in Europe and attracted more radical fascist elements to WACL. For a time WACL appeared to be more anti-semitic than anticommunist. (11) Pearson and the more radical WACL branches attempted to oust more moderate groups, but his attempted coup failed. In 1980, WACL expelled Pearson and said it had purged its fascist elements. As with the separation from the UC, however, the separation from the fascists was cosmetic only. Most of the individuals involved were reported by the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times and other newspapers to be among the attendees at succeeding annual conferences. (2,31)
"After Pearson's ouster, Major General John K. Singlaub (ret. ) and his newly-formed U.S. chapter of WACL, the United States Council for World Freedom (USWCF), became WACL's most active branch . . . .
"In 1984, columnist Jack Anderson wrote a series of exposes on WACL connecting the group with death squads operating in Latin America, and once again linking them with fascists, this time in Latin America. He reported that the `godfather' of the death squads in Guatemala, Mario Sandoval Alarcon, a principal of the CAL, had been on the CIA payroll for 30 years--since the National Liberation Movement (MLN) was organized by the CIA to overthrow progressive President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman of Guatemala. (24,25) Further articles by Anderson reported that CAL, which operated out of Guadalajara, Mexico, was an outgrowth of Los Tecos. (26,27)"
For more, with footnotes: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/gw/2815.html
Everyone else will see this (rape kit) nonsense for what it is: a desperate attempt by the McCain Obama camp to change the subject from the economy, which is a losing issue for them. They can't win on the issues, so they have to try and Swiftboat ObamaPalin instead.
Aw, how cute. You don't have the ability to talk about the substance of my post, so you try to change it into a post about Caribou Barbie instead.
Changing the subject is all the GOP has left. Pathetic.
Gee Dale, I wasn't trying to make you happy or sad.
I guess if you keep repeating Ayers, Ayers, Ayers, you do think it will stick.
The Republicans like to act that if a person was in the same room as someone once, then there was a friendship.
Because
that's
all
they've
got.
Bush ruined the country and McCain/Palin think he's peachey.
Right...The substance of the post.
Ayers.
Right - the substance of the post.
There is no substance.
The Pubs have no substance and neither does Michele.
Ayers
...wasn't an issue when Hillary Clinton brought him up six months ago in the Democratic primary, and won't be an issue now for McCain and Palin. If it didn't work for the Clinton machine, it won't work now.
The only people who know, or even care about Ayers are the people still fighting the culture wars from the 1960's. It's a bunch of baby boomers that are tiresome in their self-absorption and who are still stuck in 1968, and anyone who actually cares about Ayers wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.
For folks like me who were born after the 60's culture wars, all this garbage is a non-starter. I'm 35 and don't care one whit about what some guy did back in 1968, since it was before I was even born. I care about what the candidates are going to do for this country now in 2008. I live in the present, not in the past.
Face it: the economy is issue #1 for people right now, what with nine straight months of job losses, massive clear signs that we're in a recession, bank failures, the subprime mortgage crisis and home foreclosures, and the Wall Street bailout being the prominent issues for voters right now. When people are worried about their pocketbooks, they don't care about another round of predictable Republican garbage about the 1960's like the Ayers nonsense.
Find something else, or expect McCain to lose the election. It won't work this time around.
Minnie, for the record, I don't think that the Obama-Ayers connection is about terrorism. I think that the people that Obama surrounds himself with is the issue - Just as you see an issue in the people that Republicans surround themselves with.
It's not about Obama sitting on the same board as Ayers...it's about Obama chairing the board that Ayers created...and maybe not even about that. The last record that I've found still has Ayers saying "we should have done more" (or something very similar)...and Obama belonging the Jeremiah Wright's church for 20 years and not knowing what the man preaches. And his connection with Rezko, including the fund raiser for Obama at Rezko's mansion.
Is Obama a terrorist? No...that's rather silly.
But, looking at some of the people that he's had connections with in the last 3-5 years (much more recent than 1981), the radical political ideas of Wright and Ayers, along with the general sleaze factor of Rezko...it's not a terrorism thing.
And yeah. Palin should let it go.
But...it's sort of like playing "I spy"...you know...you're getting warmer...and the more the volume from the left goes up, the more frantic you all get...the hotter it feels.
I think of it as a matter of character.
Such as how McCain threw away his crippled wife for a pretty young blond RICH thing.
Threw away any points he could use from the Hanoi Hilton.
He destroyed the life of the mother of his children.
Which McCain admitted was his greatest moral failure...and man admits he was wrong.
So he admitted it? So what?
A moral failure like that can't be overcome.
Wow...
I guess I'm a bigger believer in forgiveness and grace. But that (should be) Christianity...the forgiveness part.
So is Judaism, dear.
But a character defect can't be forgiven. It just...is.
So your saying that there is no forgiveness for (some) sins.
I stand as a testament in a relationship that came back from a moral defect.
No, I did not say that.
McCain did absolutely nothing to me. By abandoning his first wife, he didn't sin against me, he sinned against her. I can for give him nothing. Only she can do what.
All I can do is judge him on his lack of character.
It's like the story Elie Wiesel tells of the dying Nazi officer who begs a random Jew for forgiveness. The Jew tells the Nazi that he can't forgive him - only those who were sinned against can do the forgiving.
All we have is McCain's lack of character. I'm not his confessor.
And men never change. Never.
McCain was a member of the board of the innocuous-sounding but highly sinister U.S. Council for World Freedom, the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international group of former Nazis, Nazi collaborators, at least one Japanese war criminal, Latin American death squad organizers and many people with ties to Moon's Unification Church, the political arm of the South Korean government. This is a FASCIST organization, and that is not hyperbole.
John Singlaub, the head of the U.S. chapter, was implicated in the Iran Contra scandal. When questioned on the CBS Television show "60 Minutes" about his connections with contra funding Singlaub was asked by Mike Wallace, "Let me put a thesis to you, General Singlaub. Private citizen Jack Singlaub has become Ronald Reagan's secret weapon to sidestep a Congress that will not permit him to act in the areas where he believes that our security interests are at stake. True?" Singlaub's response: "True."
McCain Supporters Hang Obama Effigy From Tree To Racially Intimidate Minorities
Posted by Paul Hooson
Published: Oct 5, 08 01:37 PM
In an ugly act of racial and political intimidation, four supporters sympathetic to John McCain who are students at the the small Christian George Fox University in Newberg, Oregon, confessed to hanging a life-sized Obama effigy from a tree at the entrance of the college with the words, "Act 6 Reject" scrawled on the figure. The Act 6 program is a minority scholarship program.
The goal of those that hung the life-sized cardboard figure of Barack Obama in effigy seemed pretty clearly aimed at both intimidating any supporters of Barack Obama and also making any minority students feel unwelcome and unsafe at the college. It was like posting a death threat to any Obama supporters or to any minorities that they are not welcome at the Christian college and should leave for their safety. It is closely related to terrorism in attempting to incite fear to control others.
Administrators were outraged at this disgusting display of racial and political intimidation and held an event at the school's chapel to address this outrageous hate act. And the FBI is actively investigating the act of racial prejudice and may file federal charges against the four students who are currently under suspension from the school.
So far the McCain-Palin Campaign has been silent on this hate crime act. But both McCain and Palin are on record as opposing hate crimes laws at both state and federal levels. Both have a clear of record of weakness when it comes to support for prosecuting those who use racial intimidation or death threats against minorities. It seems highly unlikely that anyone from the McCain Campaign will offer any statement condemning this hate crime.
And men never change. Never.
Only Republican men are allowed to change. At least that's the standard I'm seeing you display.
Democratic men? Oh, they're stuck being the same person they were 40+ years ago and can never, ever change who they are. It's the same BS hypocritical double standards that Republicans and conservatives have displayed for the last several decades. Any kind of moral failure or mistake is okay if you're a Republican, and will be forgiven, but heaven help you if you're not a Republican. Then, all your mistakes and failures are permanent and can never be forgiven.
What nonsense. And how typical of the right. Hypocrites, the lot of you.
"I know of the five, 2 were found to be guilty of no wrong doing. McCain was one."
you do realize that the same argument could be made in defense of ayers, right? he was never convicted of anything, and while righties call him a "terrorist" (because that's their second favorite slander of the moment) back in the day he was an "anarchist."
and just to be clearer as to why this is a non-story - with respect both to ayers and rezko (the two that you think should be tied to obama more in the media to smear obama's character) obama was never found guilty of any wrong doing, either.
No...Minnie and AR...
we are not calling Obama a terrorist. We are saying that Ayers, who Obama has closer ties with that he most often admits, is still saying that they should have done more
That is hardly the portrait of a man who is sorry for what he did.
For me, a man who is able to say, "I was wrong" is more capable of change than the man who says, "that's not the man I knew" or (I was a member of his church for 20 years but...) "I didn't know he said that."
Associations from 30 years ago have less bearing than current associations or associations from 3 years ago.
I have so little respect for Newt Gingrich he's not even worth bringing into a political conversation with me. He has (in the more recent past) made himself irrelevent with me. There's a reason.
What you want is to hold a man's past from 30 years ago against him, even when he has said he is wrong.
What I want is to look at a man's recent past, when he has NOT said that his judgment was poor, or even wrong and base my assessment of his current character on the present.
We don't want the same things.
we are not calling Obama a terrorist. We are saying that Ayers, who Obama has closer ties with that he most often admits, is still saying that they should have done more
And I'm saying that with this country in the middle of economic collapse, NO ONE CARES about any of these issues except the people who wouldn't vote for Obama in the first place. It's a non-starter, and if McCain thinks he can win on it now, in the middle of the economy falling apart, he's an idiot and the campaign advisers he have are morons. Even some conservatives aren't falling for it.
For an example of this, please look at Rod Dreher's blog on this site:
http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/10/jeremiah-wright-bill-ayers-jac.html
He considers Ayers and Wright issues, but admits that in the current economic crisis, they don't matter at all, and that it would be foolish for McCain and Palin to focus on them in the campaign. In his words:
"If McCain and Palin are going to try to make this campaign about one or both of those fools, with the massive crisis now before us, a crisis unprecedented in the lifetimes of most Americans -- well, they deserve to lose, and lose badly. If banging on Wright and Ayers is the best conservatism has to offer at this critical moment, then it truly is intellectually bankrupt."
He's right. If this is all the GOP and conservatives have to offer the country now, then they have nothing at all.
Ugh, typos. That should read, "and the campaign advisers he has are morons."
"we are not calling Obama a terrorist. We are saying that Ayers, who Obama has closer ties with that he most often admits, is still saying that they should have done more"
not explicitly, because that's political suicide. but you are trying to slime him by associating him to people with questionable pasts. you know, the whole "birds of a feather" approach. if you think that obama has closer ties to ayers, then pony up the proof. remember proof? remember evidence and fact?
chicago mayor daley said:
so, like level-headed minds on both the left and the right suggest, if you think that discussing ayers has merrit, do it outside of the context of the current presidential race, as it has no purpose other than to smear obama.
i'm not defending ayers's actions but in typical right-wing fashion, you're leaving out that he was never convicted of a crime. he never killed anyone (that i'm aware of). ayers has also said that the times took his quotes out of context and misrepresented them. in his words:
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