Robert Schuller ousts son from the "Hour of Power" TV show

If the senior Dr. Schuller has Parkinsonian dementia, that would be a very sad end to a long and distinguished ministry.

No. The elder Mason said, "Son, some day all of this will be yours."

Robert Schuller Jr. was dynamic! Much more interesting than his father and he is getting older, would have been nice when it's time for him to meet his maker and leave this church to have his son's face there still. I am shocked, even my mother in law in her 70's liked the son's sermons better than his Dad's. Time to bring the younger generation in and forget the robe. Such a sad thing, I think it will effect the support and watching of the show, as I've been watching for 20 years and I don't even feel like watching anymore. Big mistake!

Robert Schuller Jr. much easier to understand and more bibicial than his father. Father's voice is hard to hear and understand for me. I'll be looking for the son's shows and church.

Well, this decision by the father to oust the son was the true "Hour of Power" for the Sr. Schuller, in my opinion. Jr. tahght the Word of God and Jesus Christ as King of King and Lord of Lords. Senior seems to be promoting his books and his own philosophy more than God's Word. However, I believe at one time the father preached evangelically.
I believe jr should have his own ministry. This ministry will be declining, in popularity, I believe.

I watched the Hour of Power today when Robert Schuller Sr. told the congregation that after much prayer the Board had decided that they would invite preachers from many different denominations to present the sermons at the Crystal Cathedral in the future. I think this is an inspired decision and will see this ministry thriving as it goes forward. I know that everyone is different and isn't that great because it hints at the infinity of God. I happen to be someone who preferred the sermons of the senior Schuller, not because of the words that came out of his mouth, but because of the integrity and unswerving right thinking that he demonstrated.

HOW COULD THE SENIOR PASTOR SCHULLER DO THIS TO HIS SON AND TO US, WHO FOLLOW THE SERMONS ON TV? yOUNG ROBERT BROUGHT A FRESH APPROACH TO HIS SERMONS AND HE WASN'T ALWAYS SELLING SOMETHING.

IT IS TIME FOR THE SENIOR SHCULLER TO RETIRE AND READ HIS BOOKS, HE HAS HAD HIS TIME IN THE LIMELIGHT.

Please add my wife and I to the list of disappointed viewers who disagree with Dr. Schuller Sr's view and decision to go forward with the Hour of Power as a guest forum.

I have watched Robert senior on and off for many years and was looking forward to watching Robert jr for many more years. I strongly believe that they do have a 'church' and that the many of us who can't attend in person, believe that it's our church, led by our minister, not a bunch of guest speakers, albeit many of them are excellent in their own right.

Keep the Hour or Power as it is and as it has been, and have a guest speaker occasionally! We pray that the right decision will be made and that whatever rift has occurred will be mended with God's help.

The son was preaching the true gospel of Jesus Christ..the father has always preached positive thinking. I heard him recently say we have to get back to positive thinking. Positive thinking is not going to get you to heaven, it's the gospel of Jesus Christ! I will miss hearing the word of God preached...and I won't be listening to a worldly view of positive thinking speech. Because the son was ministering to the world the father is so jealous. Why should he ware a robe he is a man just like anyone else.

Like many others I missed the 'ousting' and by mere fact no mention was being made of Robert A and Donna I grew suspicious. A sad way to end a ministry that needed to return to a Biblical & missions focus as Robert A had begun to take it. I like so many others have used Hour of Power as a secondary source of Christian inspiration, our local Church being the first. This means I will watch much less and remind myself to pray for the ministry. I don't believe that Robert H's message of 'positive affirmation' will cut it, we know we all need Jesus in this advanced time. So long.
IH

I just found out why the son is no longer on. This is so sad. :(
Tho I am not a fan of over the top, gloom and doom, bible based preaching, I like the combo of positive preaching mixed with bible based. To me, Chirst was a positive thinker! The two ways of preaching work well together. This is so sad for all. I myself find it easier to follow the hard to follow 'rules' of God if first I learn and follow all the positive ones. Both men & their families are in my prayers.

I recieved an E-mail from a friend several months ago talking about Oprah Winfrey new age beliefs. Apparently over this past year she has funded a program "Oprah and Friends a full years teaching from the book A Course in Miracles. I have only just read this artilce in the past week, since the elections.To make a long story short, half way throught the article it referred to Robert Schuller having on an author Dr. Gerald Jampolsky who authored the book Love Is Letting Go of Fear. He declared in his book how the book A Course in Miracles had changed his life. Dr. Jampolsky has been on Hour of Power several times.

The article did not clearify which Robert Schuller (Jr or Sr.)was endorsing the new age author. I would be very interested in finding this out.

When Robert A. Schuller, son of founder Robert H. Schuller, started preaching from God’s Word instead of from a textbook on Psychology, the Church Board and Robert H. Schuller ejected him as the Senior Pastor of Crystal Cathedral.

In the Book of 2 Timothy chapter 4, God warns us of times like this, in the last days:
"1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2. Preach the Word; be instant in season, out of season; Reprove, Rebuke, Exhort with all longsuffering and Doctrine (Bible teaching). 3. For the time will come when they will NOT ENDURE SOUND DOCTRINE; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having ITCHING EARS; 4. And they shall TURN AWAY THEIR EARS FROM THE TRUTH, AND SHALL BE TURNED UNTO FABLES (Psychology). 5. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry."

However, Robert H. Schuller has made the following statement about teaching from God’s Word, the Bible:

Schuller stated: "I was called to start a mission, not a church," Schuller told his audience Sunday. "There is a difference. . . . You don't try to PREACH . . . WHAT SIN IS AND WHAT ISN’T SIN. A mission is a place where you ask nonbelievers to come and find faith and hope and feel love. We're a mission first, a church second."

At the Judgment Seat of Christ, Robert A. Schuller will hear the Words- “Well done, good and faithful servant”

What will Robert H. Schuller hear?

God bless,

Walter

We are deeply distressed that Robert Schuller Jr. is not preaching every Sunday. We watched Schuller Sr. for many years and enjoyed him, however, were delighted to hear more of the way of Salvation from Robert Jr. as Robert Sr. preached more of psychology and a bit of God's message to us.

I have watched this program off and on when I am not at my own church. Sometimes it is important to change things abit so as to reach the young people of our country. As long as the message is the same God is glorified. ____We only have one family, one father, one mother and siblings, and what a shame this is happening to them. My prayers are with both families and their ministry. God is in control no matter what.____Gail__Bartlett, TN

This would seem to be but a microcosm of what is going on within the Christian church today. There is a vast array of difference between the three generations of Schullers. I think Sr. is strong willed and has naturally passed it on to the generations that followed. They are all intelligent and are blessed with visions for their ministries. I say God bless each of them and their ministries. The only true solution for each is to follow the lead of the Holy Spirit in their life and ministry. As for the Hour of Power which I love, God's will is perfect. Sr. can hand it over to whoever but its success is wholly dependent upon God's plan. We need to pray for each of the Schullers, the Church, Hour of Power and remember only one thing---"God is in controll".

RHS MINISTRY OF POSITIVE THINKING BASED ON THE BIBLE IS THE REASON MY WIFE AND I HAVE EAGLE CLUB MEMBERS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.I LOSE INTREST IN THE STANDARD SERMON,PREACHING THE SAME MESSAGE OVER AND OVER AGAIN .I AM NOT INTERESTED IN LESSONS ON THEOLOGY.I LOOK FOR BIBLE BASED SERMONS THAT ARE RELATIVE TO EVERY DAY LIFE.RAH SERMONS ARE NOT POSITIVE BASED BUT MORE THEOLGY BASED.WE DIDNT LIKE HOW ROBERT JR. WAS MAKING THE HOUR OF POWER THE HOUR OF ROBERT JR. AND FAMILY.HIS WIFE WAS READING SCRIPTURES,HIS SON PREACHING,HIS DAUGHTER GIVING MESSAGES.ED ARNOLD WHO HAS BEEN WITH THIS MINISTRY ALMOST FROM THE BEGINNING WAS NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.ROBERT JR. IS A GOOD MINISTER JUST LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS OUT THERE.BUT POSITIVE MINISTRY IS WHAT BUILT THIS MINISTRY JNTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.CHANGE THIS AND YOU REDEFINE THE MISSON STATEMENT FOR THIS CHURCH.IF A PERSON NEEDS A MORE THEOLGY BASED MESSAGE,THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER CHURCHES THAT CAN FILL THAT NEED.I WAS GLAD TO SEE THE HOUR OF POWER GETTING BACK TO ITS ROOTS.

Whenever there is a break in the vision, it becomes division. It is best to part ways and seek the Lord for the future of the ministry.

I wondered what happened. My mother use to watch Srn who is no longe with us and I did too, but I did not find anything wrong with Jr. I rather enjoyed him. Something new and fresh. I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but I certainly hope they can mend the fences. After all Senior is no spring chicken and won't be here forever, so someone needs to be able to take over someday.

Shame Rev. Schueller for handling this situation and his son in such a degrading, unchristian manner. Robert H. made a laughing stock of his church and Christianity as a whole.

Robert A. has the leadership skills and just like his father, he will fail and just like his dad did and hopefully learn from his mistakes.

His son Robert A. is a great person as well and has the right to lead this church in a style that worked for him...his dad certainly made many mistakes in his judgemental calls inside and outisde the Cathedral.

This family deserves our thought and prayers because no matter if the Crystal Cathedral flourishes or fails - God is still in control of the universe and His will = will be honored regardless.

If ministries like the Crystbal close their doors tomorrow - God will open up other ministries.
Mom and Dad Schuller should have supported and mentored their son and not tossed him out.
Thank God our Heavenly Father does not toss us out of His Kingdom because we fail to measure up to His expectations all the time.

Art Scott rather than criticize - we should all pray

It is the end of all the glamor and zest of the Hour of Power. Sad. I sow it in my dream, I sow Dr Schuller Sr.nude and I told to my friend some thing bad is going to happen to the Hour of Power. Then when I was watching today and last week i did not see His son. Then I thought abut my dream and went to research about the problem and found out that his son was ousted. I pray that Dr. SChuller bring back his son, otherwise the worst he never taught is going to get at him.

I am most saddened and ashamed of Robert Schuller Sr. for the nefarious action taken against his son, Robert Schuller Jr. JR. did bring a new a refreshing approach to the Hour of Power. I remember the week he had Evel Kneivel on the program and how there was such a strong movement of the spirit of God.
JR. did do things differently, but not worse than his father. It is sad to see a man Robert Sr. who has achieved a degree of greatness throw his reputation away and become a old man facing death determined to take his achievements with him when he goes. Come on SR. You should have been proud of your son who brought such an open loving spirit to the Cathederal. He was carving a new course that I believe was of God. Obviously it was not of Robert SR. SR, you need to reconcile your non-christian behavior toward your son and seek his forgiveness. Then you need to reinstate him and rsign permanently and spend your quiet years getting a little close to God. The whole situation is so sad.

I don't know what justified this action. But I do know how I now feel. I have faithfully watched the HOP for 30+ years. The positive messages saw me thru many personal hardships. However, now, I do not care if I miss the program or not. Guest pastors every once in awhile is a nice change of pace...but it does not take the place of what the HOP positive messages stood for and helped so many cope with their daily struggle.

I was very much saddened to hear of Robert and Donna's departure from the program. My wife and I have been Eagle's Club members for many years. A decision that we will no doubt have to re-think this upcoming year.

As A person who watches the HOP only now and then, but take inspiration from it. I was tuly saddened read, only this morning, of the split between father and son. I hope and pray that the lord will show them the way forward, so that they can be reconsiled.

Only recently did I learn that Robert A. Schuller was no longer with the HOP ministries. I have watched TV Evangelism from satellite TV. I am a somewhat regular viewer of the HOP but have only supported the ministry with my prayers. (I concentrate my stewardship emphasis with my own church.) I have enjoyed all of the wonderful musical talent and the testimonials people have given as to how this ministry has changed their lives. However, I am disappointed with the turn of events and would like to see reconciliation and young Robert Schuller re-instated there as I do feel he did add a new dimension and new life to the ministry. He did preach the gospel. I recall when Evil Knievel was baptized, the rest of the service was dedicated to a call to the altar for others to be baptized. Robert A. made that his sermon for the day.

In my studies of Scripture, I have noted two thrusts to the gospel message. It shows us our need for a Savior and then shows us the Savior we need. There is much said in the Bible about sin and the folly of it. In his ministry, Dr. Schuller, senior, has not put equal emphasis on that aspect of the broken human life to balance with the power of God in the power of positive and possibility thinking. The latter seems to stress the personal individual initiative more that God’s initiative. In today’s society, it seems that it is a sin to even mention the word sin! It is just not politically correct.

The New Testament and especially Saint Paul’s writings stress the ‘old human sinful nature’ and he laments about it -- even in his own life after his conversion. (Romans –Chapter 7) As time goes, he experiences a growth and humility –sanctification, that is, those qualities of becoming more Christ-like. “For I am the least of apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God” ---- “To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things;” --- “The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. And I am the foremost of sinners; but I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.” ( I Corinthians 15:9, Ephesians 3:8-9, I Timothy 1:15-16)

I still have not been able to find out where he is today (robert jr.) the church says they don't know where he is. very sad, because i no longer watch the HOP because i would rather hear robert jr. preach any day...i agree, he is filled with holy spirit i have not seen in church before....it is so sad this happened. I am glad today he is Walking in his own Shoes. please advise on this site if anyone knows where and if he is preaching somewhere else. i would love to hear him again. a family and church tragedy for sure. we all need to pray.

Perhaps it's not a good idea to hand over a ministry to another just because he is a family member.

It sounds like they are having disagreements, but I am sure they are mature enough to still love and respect each other.

I think Schuller Snr. is still being called by God tp preach, so we will hear from him from time to time.

The elder Schuller wanted to expand the ministry of the church to include other pastors and resources - the younger Schuller wanted to keep the ministry tight and a platform for just himself, as his father had for years. Change versus status quo - the son lost.

Sadly Robert A is not a preacher like his father. He is a person who was given the reigns to an organization for which is was unqualified. It is no different than many family companies. When I first learned of Robert A's divorce, that was strike one for me. When I heard him preach and speak to the audience like he was instructing a bunch of kindergartners, that was strike two. When I saw and heard his beach-bum looking son preach, that was trike three. I have become a fan of Joel Osteen, but am still a fan of the Almighty's. I pray for the cathedral, but the son was not qualified to run it, and sadly neither is the father at this age in his life. Only God can fix the church now, and he will!

This is so, so sad that Robert Schuller, Senior and his son have parted ways on the Hour of Power. I have watched this program for years, but now, can hardly watch it at all. Not too long ago, Junior was convicted NOT to wear the formal robes when he preached. He stated publicly that he and his Dad did not agree about this, but that Junior thought the robes were just too formal. You could tell when the camera spanned over to his father's face that Dad was mad! And when Junior's son - Robert Schuller, Senior's grandson - spoke one Sunday morning, I thought he was absolutely amazing. His ministry is more of a hands-on, miracle believing type of ministry. I say more power to him. Again, I'm not sure Senior agreed with this direction. It's hard to watch the program now. Please join me in praying that peace will come between these two and Robert Schuller, Junior can be restored as the lead minister on this wonderful, inspiring program.

Unlike others, I am not disappointed that Robert Jr is no longer preaching. It took me a while to get used to him replacing his father but I never felt he represented all the principles of his father. Robert Sr worked so hard, for so many years, to build his church and the Hour of Power - he handed it over to his flesh & blood and had every right to want things done certain ways, after all, he built it to what it is to this day. I disliked Robert Jr's wife speaking, felt she was a phony so would put my TV on mute or change channels while she spoke. I like the robes Dr. Schuller Sr wears as well rather than a man standing in a suit and Jr's suits looked like they were custom made - spending a fortune on them. One thing that I don't like is having so many different preachers each week -- I feel Dr. Schuller Sr needs to preach more. God Bless the Schuller family -- Jr needs to listen to Sr!!!

My husband and I began our married life 42 years ago by attending what was then called Garden Grove Community Church and now Crystal Cathedral. Robert Jr. was a teen and Robert Sr. was building the Tower of Hope. The drive-in was packed as were the pews for every service. The choir processed down the center aisle singing praises to our God and as the glass doors opened so the podium could be seen by people in the cars Robert Sr. would bellow "This is the day that the Lord has made - let us rejoice and be glad in it!" Being from a strong Christian home that was affiliated with a fear-based worship this loving-God-who-has-a-plan-for-you type of teaching was both refreshing and balancing. As a brand new Christian my husband took his first steps with Christ under this ministry which has served him well through many years of strong church leadership. We were only there for 5 years but it set the stage for God to use us in ways that have been unbelievable. For this we hold deep gratitude to Robert Sr. and the ministry of this church. As for Robert Jr. - we watched him take his ministry at a church connected to his father's - in San Clemente where we visited regularly for a few months. It struggled as a church under Jr's leadership and preaching as he seemed to be propped up with his father's sermon notes (almost verbatim) and name. When he was appointed to the post of Sr. Pastor at Crystal Cathedral we were quite concerned but concluded that he must have developed in his leadership well beyond what we had experienced. Then as more and more of the original ministry was handed over to him we noticed that his preaching seemed quite different from his father's and wondered what this would mean in the future. Now we know. Truly the ministry, as it stands now, is a little dated for the world today but perhaps a slow and natural death would be better than trying to change it - let it stand for what God intended for it's fruits are many. Perhaps Robert Jr. will raise up an inspired ministry that meets the needs of our younger generation along with his son - if God so directs! My prayer is that the family is at peace with one another and with our great God as they each minister the good news to a hurting world!

For a long time I would get up with my father to watch The Hour of Power. And for the last few years I have actually hated listening to Robert Schuller Jr. preach even though my father wanted me to listen with him and my mother. My parents live with me do to their strokes, but many hours went by before they had strokes in their house when all of us would gather with a cup of coffee and listen to Robert Shullers' sermon for that Sunday. We loved his stories, and his guests he would have on, and the messages that he would send out to you. When Robert Shuller Jr. started preaching we all would wait for his father to step in. And the days that we knew that his father was not going to be on...we found a game to watch or the morning news. I am probably as old as Robert Shuller Jr., and I did not find him interesting, bright, or actually informed on some of the issues he tried to handle on most of his sermons. Once I remember he tried to get the congregation involved in something...and I thought basically how stupid it all was. Even my father quit listening to the Hour of Power for awhile due to Jr's sermons. I am glad that Robert Shuller has taken over the Hour of Power again. I met him once with my mother and father, and twin sister. He is a beautiful man that is so "easy' to listen to...and it feels more like "home" when he is the one up on stage. I know he will have to find someone that can take his place at some point. Oh, by the way, I do buy in to the fact that Robert Schuller Jr. was trying to reach out to a younger generation, but even that "younger generation" liked the sermons from Robert Schuller Sr. the best. They felt that Robert Shuller Sr. was more authentic.

I am a muslim born in Egypt and moved to Germany in 2000, one of the first things I did was to find our more about Jesus and become a true follower and now Jesus is my lord, my saver and my power and one of the main reasons was the "Hour of Power" specially when father and son were preaching and I was so ignorant that I was sceptic about their intention because of their outfit, I thought they are kind of extremist in their preaching..... I was until that day where Dr. Robert A. Schuller "Jr." was preaching and was telling a story about an experience he had when a close friend of his asked him .... "WHO WOULD BE THE MOST PERSON YOU WOULD WANT TO MEET IN THE WORLD, IF YOU COULD"... Dr. Schuller thought for a moment ..... "AND I WAS THINKING, WHAT HIS ANSWER WOULD BE .... FROM THE POPE TO MOTHER TERESA TO MANY CHRISTIAN LEADERS, AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT MY MIND WAS FIXED ON" ............ however and to my shock his answer was ........ "MOHAMED ALI"... The great boxer and to me that would have been the last name on a list of millions just for the fact that Mohamed Ali changed his religion however and since that day, my love and respect to the Chrystal Cathideral church grew more and more and I understood the lesson of "Never to Judge by looks or assumption".... Now coming to this sad story, well they are still human and our believe in Jesus should not be related to any assumptions or stories about a Father and Son's humanly problems and all I will do and suggest to all of you is to pray very hard that they find their peace and manage any differences they may have.

I still respect them both and look at their work and how they have impacted millions of lives and will not judge and only pray to Jesus to bring peace to their hearts.

I am SO sad that Robert Jr. is now gone. I won't watch Hour of Power anymore since Robert Sr. came back and there are "roving pastors" coming into and out of the pulpit. The love of God and the Bible-based teaching that I was getting is now gone, and the glitz and glamor is back. I hope I find out that Robert Jr. is starting his own ministry and has a place where I can listen to it. Until then....

It sounds like Robert Sr cares more about esthetics and money than about leading people to Christ. Robert Jr was doing a great job and I really liked the new direction he was taking the church. I didn't watch the show much until Jr started preaching. After Jr started preaching I began to like and watch the show. I am very sorry to see him leave.

After having missed "The Hour of Power" for many months I returned about a month ago. I was disappointed that Robert A. was not present but I thought maybe he was just gone for the week. I continued to watch and became dismayed when there was no sign of him. I decided to check the web this afternoon to see if I could find some answers.

I am deeply disappointed by what I have learned. Reading all these postings tears at ones heart. I discovered Robert H. many years ago as a sales manager and trainer when I read many of his Positive Thinking books. I admired his skill and his commitment to God.

As I began watching the Hour of Power I found myself enjoying it more when Robert A. was preaching. He was more vibrant and more attuned to issues of these times. I am disappointed in both father and son. When you turn over the reigns of an organization you must do so willingly and understand that the personality of the new leader is going to be different and sometimes radically different. The Hour of Power and the Crystal Cathedral Ministries needed this radical thinking. Times in the church are changing and we need to appeal to the youth as they are the future of the church and if the church does not change it will die. Youth today are predisposed to turning their back on the church as they feel it is no longer relevant. So someone who appeals to them and can draw them in is the one who should be given the reigns.

I am disappointed in Robert A. for just giving up without a fight. I am sure he and his father love each other. They need to work together. Keeping the ministry of The Hour of Power alive is more important than their ego's. I am sure Robert A. could be successful starting his own ministry but why? Why waste all those years. The Crystal Cathedral Ministries will die if they do not change. Robert A. is that promise.

Does anyone know if Robert has a service anywhere? I'm not impressed with the new service and stop watching the Hour of Power. Not interested in guest speakers. I'm sure the church is struggling for funds, they need Robert back.

As with so many others, I have watched the Hour Of Power for many years. It was my Church. I feel the father should step down and give his son the reins. I am sure his daughter is doing a good job but they need JR back to keep the viewers........Please send me a email where I can watch JR ministry on TV as I am sure we will be seeing him soon right?
God Bless you

Like the comments before me I too was sad to find Robert Jr. gone and stopped watching. Jr.s preaching was alive and more real, he was not a stranger to the present public, he appealed to all generations. His word was in tune for the younger generation to get the message, as they need to hear the truth about our Lord and Savior more than ever. We will not be able to get thier attention with stiff neck preaching, we will loose them for good.

I pray that one day we will see Robert Jr. back and if not on the Hour of Power that we see him with his own service being held on TV for those of us that do not live in the area of his church.

May the Lord continue to bless you with the good works he has placed in you He has great plans for you. It is all in His timing.

A fighteous man may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all. Psalm 34:19

I was always inspired by the senior. His sermons were uplifting, and boosted me at a very difficult time in my life. Unfortunately, the son lacks any life in his lectures. Dull, and without emotion, even if he had more of the gospel in his speech, I saw less of the Lord. Unfortunately,Sr. did not see this earlier. His blindness let this ministry run to the ground.

Robert Jr.used the word 'Jesus' too much, and that isn't popular today, because it means talking about sin, repentance, and hell for all who disbelieve. Robert Sr. preached something everyone could enjoy, a more palatable religeous version. You could go to church every Sunday and never know how to get to heaven. Robert Jr.'s version brought in much less money, because it was less popular, hence, his father fired him. Its all about money and big business today. And to hell with everyone else, literally.

Robert Sr. may have brought in more money than his son but anytime you leave out the name of JESUS from your sermons, you are not preaching the tru gospel. It's only because of the sacrifices of Gods son "JESUS" that we have salvation. Jesus said "I am the way & the light" z9aks7